550 Watt PSU enough?

[Cheetah]

I want to upgrade my GPU from a rtx 2060 super to a rx 6700 xt in this summer, but i heard you should have a 650 watt psu, what do you mean? Is this a risk if i try it with my thermaltake 550 watt psu?

[Jamebonds1]

hawkeye님이 먼저 게시:

It isn't the power rating that is important it is the 12V ripple. 2 reasons - 1-poor ripple control will eventually cause the psu cutoff to trip. This is due to the way that gpus draw more power in high ripple situations. And 2-high ripple can reduce the life of electronic components. So if you are paying $1000+ for a gpu why would you want to pair it with a low spec psu.

The difference between bronze etc is minor and it isn't an indicator of psu quality.

The best level to run a psu at is 50% load. Efficiency, less ripple, fanless and longevity. Buy a tier 1 psu.

Old Thermaltakes are junk. Newer ones are OK but I'd stick with a brand that has a long track record for quality.

https://www.gpumag.com/psu-hierarchy/

Even higher 80 Plus rated could have bad design and higher DC ripple.

[Rod]

hawkeye님이 먼저 게시:

It isn't the power rating that is important it is the 12V ripple. 2 reasons - 1-poor ripple control will eventually cause the psu cutoff to trip. This is due to the way that gpus draw more power in high ripple situations. And 2-high ripple can reduce the life of electronic components. So if you are paying $1000+ for a gpu why would you want to pair it with a low spec psu.

The difference between bronze etc is minor and it isn't an indicator of psu quality.

The best level to run a psu at is 50% load. Efficiency, less ripple, fanless and longevity. Buy a tier 1 psu.

Old Thermaltakes are junk. Newer ones are OK but I'd stick with a brand that has a long track record for quality.

https://www.gpumag.com/psu-hierarchy/

I remember when i built my last rig and they came out with the AX860i and it had fancy digital control over voltage and i paired it with a digital control Gigabyte motherboard for good measure. Great psu and low ripple and a good 12v rail. It likely was overspecced then and look how that worked out its been rock solid for 6yrs and the fan has never once started up and super stable for my oc and i could in theory reuse it again.


Itll take a lot to make me change my mind that op should buy 750e seasonic platinum and future proof. And for me im gonna repeat my last build and overspec on a 1000w platinum Seasonic Vertex PX. Its the way to go! I seen my uncles corsair 620w blow and take the entire system with it and fry every component and that scared me as i specced that pc for him!

[Jamebonds1]

Rod님이 먼저 게시:

hawkeye님이 먼저 게시:

It isn't the power rating that is important it is the 12V ripple. 2 reasons - 1-poor ripple control will eventually cause the psu cutoff to trip. This is due to the way that gpus draw more power in high ripple situations. And 2-high ripple can reduce the life of electronic components. So if you are paying $1000+ for a gpu why would you want to pair it with a low spec psu.

The difference between bronze etc is minor and it isn't an indicator of psu quality.

The best level to run a psu at is 50% load. Efficiency, less ripple, fanless and longevity. Buy a tier 1 psu.

Old Thermaltakes are junk. Newer ones are OK but I'd stick with a brand that has a long track record for quality.

https://www.gpumag.com/psu-hierarchy/

I remember when i built my last rig and they came out with the AX860i and it had fancy digital control over voltage and i paired it with a digital control Gigabyte motherboard for good measure. Great psu and low ripple and a good 12v rail. It likely was overspecced then and look how that worked out its been rock solid for 6yrs and the fan has never once started up and super stable for my oc and i could in theory reuse it again.


Itll take a lot to make me change my mind that op should buy 750e seasonic platinum and future proof. And for me im gonna repeat my last build and overspec on a 1000w platinum Seasonic Vertex PX. Its the way to go! I seen my uncles corsair 620w blow and take the entire system with it and fry every component and that scared me as i specced that pc for him!

Future proof doesn't exist for PC parts. It is a waste of money and hardwares will always be outdated.

[⎠⎝Zushikatetomoto⎠⎝ UFO]

Jamebonds1님이 먼저 게시:

Rod님이 먼저 게시:

I remember when i built my last rig and they came out with the AX860i and it had fancy digital control over voltage and i paired it with a digital control Gigabyte motherboard for good measure. Great psu and low ripple and a good 12v rail. It likely was overspecced then and look how that worked out its been rock solid for 6yrs and the fan has never once started up and super stable for my oc and i could in theory reuse it again.


Itll take a lot to make me change my mind that op should buy 750e seasonic platinum and future proof. And for me im gonna repeat my last build and overspec on a 1000w platinum Seasonic Vertex PX. Its the way to go! I seen my uncles corsair 620w blow and take the entire system with it and fry every component and that scared me as i specced that pc for him!

Future proof doesn't exist for PC parts. It is a waste of money and hardwares will always be outdated.

Future proof is just a scam.
Always had been just look at the 90's future proof to today xD.
You are right.

[Komarimaru]

⎠⎝Zushikatetomoto⎠⎝님이 먼저 게시:

Jamebonds1님이 먼저 게시:

Future proof doesn't exist for PC parts. It is a waste of money and hardwares will always be outdated.

Future proof is just a scam.
Always had been just look at the 90's future proof to today xD.
You are right.

Not a scam, but a buying method. When you try and future proof your system, you save up and buy a higher end set of hardware, so less upgrades are needed through the years. Overall it's cheaper than buying cheaper components over time.

Like, look at all the people who stuck to the cheap systems only 4-8 years ago, they can't play most new games without struggle or drastically lowering resolution and settings in combination with FSR for some.

So, when you look to future proof, you don't buy a GTX 1060. You get the 1080. You don't look to get the crappy xeon setup from 10 years ago to save a few bucks, you get a current gen mid ranged setup.

Same thing if ya doing work loads instead of gaming. Do you get the lower core 3800X? Or get the 3950X?

It's a balancing act, knowing what will actually last and what will not. And while it's understandable if someone can't afford current gen, they should at least invest in the higher end of last gen or they'll get buyers remorse as always, and fall behind faster still. Just how PC is.

[⎠⎝Zushikatetomoto⎠⎝ UFO]

Komarimaru님이 먼저 게시:

⎠⎝Zushikatetomoto⎠⎝님이 먼저 게시:

Future proof is just a scam.
Always had been just look at the 90's future proof to today xD.
You are right.

Not a scam, but a buying method. When you try and future proof your system, you save up and buy a higher end set of hardware, so less upgrades are needed through the years. Overall it's cheaper than buying cheaper components over time.

Like, look at all the people who stuck to the cheap systems only 4-8 years ago, they can't play most new games without struggle or drastically lowering resolution and settings in combination with FSR for some.

So, when you look to future proof, you don't buy a GTX 1060. You get the 1080. You don't look to get the crappy xeon setup from 10 years ago to save a few bucks, you get a current gen mid ranged setup.

Same thing if ya doing work loads instead of gaming. Do you get the lower core 3800X? Or get the 3950X?

It's a balancing act, knowing what will actually last and what will not. And while it's understandable if someone can't afford current gen, they should at least invest in the higher end of last gen or they'll get buyers remorse as always, and fall behind faster still. Just how PC is.

gtx 1080 is next to get axed soon or later nvidia will drop all GTX support lineup.
We will see how future proof things are.
You will see in the long run.
Even so nothing lasts forever.
The long run only support will be for RTX cards.
If you recommend 3950x for gaming jokes on you. Either get 5800x or 5800x3d far better deal.

[Komarimaru]

⎠⎝Zushikatetomoto⎠⎝님이 먼저 게시:

Komarimaru님이 먼저 게시:

Not a scam, but a buying method. When you try and future proof your system, you save up and buy a higher end set of hardware, so less upgrades are needed through the years. Overall it's cheaper than buying cheaper components over time.

Like, look at all the people who stuck to the cheap systems only 4-8 years ago, they can't play most new games without struggle or drastically lowering resolution and settings in combination with FSR for some.

So, when you look to future proof, you don't buy a GTX 1060. You get the 1080. You don't look to get the crappy xeon setup from 10 years ago to save a few bucks, you get a current gen mid ranged setup.

Same thing if ya doing work loads instead of gaming. Do you get the lower core 3800X? Or get the 3950X?

It's a balancing act, knowing what will actually last and what will not. And while it's understandable if someone can't afford current gen, they should at least invest in the higher end of last gen or they'll get buyers remorse as always, and fall behind faster still. Just how PC is.

gtx 1080 is next to get axed soon or later nvidia will drop all GTX support lineup.
We will see how future proof things are.
You will see in the long run.
Even so nothing lasts forever.
The long run only support will be for RTX cards.
If you recommend 3950x for gaming jokes on you. Either get 5800x or 5800x3d far better deal.

I guess you didn't read that at all.

I said back then, you picked those items, not today.

Future proofing is thinking ahead, instead of just getting what's cheapest now.

Example, so many wasted money on a 3800X. It's not better than a 3700X and cost way more, why? If you're going to invest into a 3800X, why not get a 3900X back then? The 3700X overclocks better, and runs cooler than the 3800X, for the same cores/threads and performance for less cost.

This is what future proofing is, responsible and researched buying,

Like I see people still wanted to get an Rx6600 to save money. It's not worth it... Save more, and get a 6800XT or a 6950XT...

[⎠⎝Zushikatetomoto⎠⎝ UFO]

Komarimaru님이 먼저 게시:

⎠⎝Zushikatetomoto⎠⎝님이 먼저 게시:

gtx 1080 is next to get axed soon or later nvidia will drop all GTX support lineup.
We will see how future proof things are.
You will see in the long run.
Even so nothing lasts forever.
The long run only support will be for RTX cards.
If you recommend 3950x for gaming jokes on you. Either get 5800x or 5800x3d far better deal.

I guess you didn't read that at all.

I said back then, you picked those items, not today.

Future proofing is thinking ahead, instead of just getting what's cheapest now.

Example, so many wasted money on a 3800X. It's not better than a 3700X and cost way more, why? If you're going to invest into a 3800X, why not get a 3900X back then? The 3700X overclocks better, and runs cooler than the 3800X, for the same cores/threads and performance for less cost.

This is what future proofing is, responsible and researched buying,

Like I see people still wanted to get an Rx6600 to save money. It's not worth it... Save more, and get a 6800XT or a 6950XT...

First of all I got the 3800x for cheaper then 3700x so don't ask how.
I saved money on that.
It's not my fault that I got the 3800x for way cheaper then 3700x and ps my 3800x was new.
I have no need to upgrade my gpu yet.
PS I got my gpu for way cheaper then 6800xt.
PS my cooling setup doesn't allow my 3800x to reach over 50c.

[Komarimaru]

⎠⎝Zushikatetomoto⎠⎝님이 먼저 게시:

Komarimaru님이 먼저 게시:

I guess you didn't read that at all.

I said back then, you picked those items, not today.

Future proofing is thinking ahead, instead of just getting what's cheapest now.

Example, so many wasted money on a 3800X. It's not better than a 3700X and cost way more, why? If you're going to invest into a 3800X, why not get a 3900X back then? The 3700X overclocks better, and runs cooler than the 3800X, for the same cores/threads and performance for less cost.

This is what future proofing is, responsible and researched buying,

Like I see people still wanted to get an Rx6600 to save money. It's not worth it... Save more, and get a 6800XT or a 6950XT...

First of all I got the 3800x for cheaper then 3700x so don't ask how.
I saved money on that.
It's not my fault that I got the 3800x for way cheaper then 3700x and ps my 3800x was new.
I have no need to upgrade my gpu yet.
PS I got my gpu for way cheaper then 6800xt.
PS my cooling setup doesn't allow my 3800x to reach over 50c.

Not sure what that has to do with the previous post? I listed examples. If you've a 3800X and RX6600, that's fine. But I'd not consider those goods buys today and proves my point.

[Jamebonds1]

Komarimaru님이 먼저 게시:

⎠⎝Zushikatetomoto⎠⎝님이 먼저 게시:

Future proof is just a scam.
Always had been just look at the 90's future proof to today xD.
You are right.

Not a scam, but a buying method. When you try and future proof your system, you save up and buy a higher end set of hardware, so less upgrades are needed through the years. Overall it's cheaper than buying cheaper components over time.

Like, look at all the people who stuck to the cheap systems only 4-8 years ago, they can't play most new games without struggle or drastically lowering resolution and settings in combination with FSR for some.

So, when you look to future proof, you don't buy a GTX 1060. You get the 1080. You don't look to get the crappy xeon setup from 10 years ago to save a few bucks, you get a current gen mid ranged setup.

Same thing if ya doing work loads instead of gaming. Do you get the lower core 3800X? Or get the 3950X?

It's a balancing act, knowing what will actually last and what will not. And while it's understandable if someone can't afford current gen, they should at least invest in the higher end of last gen or they'll get buyers remorse as always, and fall behind faster still. Just how PC is.

Every manufacturer and reviewer said it is future-proof, then it turn out it is not. So, Zushikatetomoto is correct. There is no such thing as future-proof for PC parts. This word mean it is impossible to became obsolete or failed in the future. PSU have shorter lifespan because of massive heat inside. So does motherboards and GPUs.

[⎠⎝Zushikatetomoto⎠⎝ UFO]

Komarimaru님이 먼저 게시:

⎠⎝Zushikatetomoto⎠⎝님이 먼저 게시:

First of all I got the 3800x for cheaper then 3700x so don't ask how.
I saved money on that.
It's not my fault that I got the 3800x for way cheaper then 3700x and ps my 3800x was new.
I have no need to upgrade my gpu yet.
PS I got my gpu for way cheaper then 6800xt.
PS my cooling setup doesn't allow my 3800x to reach over 50c.

Not sure what that has to do with the previous post? I listed examples. If you've a 3800X and RX6600, that's fine. But I'd not consider those goods buys today and proves my point.

I don't have RX 6600 why would I buy something that low end.

PC Hardware Spec

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X
Ram: VENGEANCE® RGB PRO 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 DRAM 3600MHz C18 Memory Kit — Black
Motherboard: ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (WI-FI)
GPU: ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080 Super Advanced Overclocked
Monitor: ASUS VG278Q Gaming Monitor 144Hz 1ms Adaptive-Sync+FreeSync, Gsync
Sound Card: Creative Sound BlasterX AE-5 Plus SABRE32-class Hi-res 32-bit/384 kHz PCIe Gaming Sound Card and DAC with Dolby Digital and DTS
Lan: Asus XG-C100C 10G Network Adapter
PSU: EVGA 850 B5 850W 80+Bronze
Case: Corsair Icue 465X RGB Mid-Tower ATX Smart Case, Commander Pro fan and lighting controller.

[Komarimaru]

⎠⎝Zushikatetomoto⎠⎝님이 먼저 게시:

Komarimaru님이 먼저 게시:

Not sure what that has to do with the previous post? I listed examples. If you've a 3800X and RX6600, that's fine. But I'd not consider those goods buys today and proves my point.

I don't have RX 6600 why would I buy something that low end.

PC Hardware Spec

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X
Ram: VENGEANCE® RGB PRO 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 DRAM 3600MHz C18 Memory Kit — Black
Motherboard: ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (WI-FI)
GPU: ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080 Super Advanced Overclocked
Monitor: ASUS VG278Q Gaming Monitor 144Hz 1ms Adaptive-Sync+FreeSync, Gsync
Sound Card: Creative Sound BlasterX AE-5 Plus SABRE32-class Hi-res 32-bit/384 kHz PCIe Gaming Sound Card and DAC with Dolby Digital and DTS
Lan: Asus XG-C100C 10G Network Adapter
PSU: EVGA 850 B5 850W 80+Bronze
Case: Corsair Icue 465X RGB Mid-Tower ATX Smart Case, Commander Pro fan and lighting controller.

So, from your previous post, again that's irrelevant to the topic at hand that was brought up. Since your claims of the cost you paid, I'm guessing those were recent purchases. And a 2080 Super, while fine 4 years ago, I'd say is vastly out down by anything from AMD's last gen.

[Komarimaru]

Jamebonds1님이 먼저 게시:

Komarimaru님이 먼저 게시:

Not a scam, but a buying method. When you try and future proof your system, you save up and buy a higher end set of hardware, so less upgrades are needed through the years. Overall it's cheaper than buying cheaper components over time.

Like, look at all the people who stuck to the cheap systems only 4-8 years ago, they can't play most new games without struggle or drastically lowering resolution and settings in combination with FSR for some.

So, when you look to future proof, you don't buy a GTX 1060. You get the 1080. You don't look to get the crappy xeon setup from 10 years ago to save a few bucks, you get a current gen mid ranged setup.

Same thing if ya doing work loads instead of gaming. Do you get the lower core 3800X? Or get the 3950X?

It's a balancing act, knowing what will actually last and what will not. And while it's understandable if someone can't afford current gen, they should at least invest in the higher end of last gen or they'll get buyers remorse as always, and fall behind faster still. Just how PC is.

Every manufacturer and reviewer said it is future-proof, then it turn out it is not. So, Zushikatetomoto is correct. There is no such thing as future-proof for PC parts. This word mean it is impossible to became obsolete or failed in the future. PSU have shorter lifespan because of massive heat inside. So does motherboards and GPUs.

No manufacturer I've seen claims future proof. Got any links to said claims? That's a consumers reference, always has been.

[Jamebonds1]

Komarimaru님이 먼저 게시:

Jamebonds1님이 먼저 게시:

Every manufacturer and reviewer said it is future-proof, then it turn out it is not. So, Zushikatetomoto is correct. There is no such thing as future-proof for PC parts. This word mean it is impossible to became obsolete or failed in the future. PSU have shorter lifespan because of massive heat inside. So does motherboards and GPUs.

No manufacturer I've seen claims future proof. Got any links to said claims? That's a consumers reference, always has been.

12 years ago, they said that then discontinued products. That is why future-proof PC parts doesn't exist today.

[Komarimaru]

Jamebonds1님이 먼저 게시:

Komarimaru님이 먼저 게시:

No manufacturer I've seen claims future proof. Got any links to said claims? That's a consumers reference, always has been.

I did. 12 years ago, they said that then discontinued products. That is why future-proof PC parts don't exist today.

What you just typed, makes no sense. And no technology product lasts over a decade and performs well in the current time.

Again, no manufacturers I've seen claim anything is future proof, you're posting fallacies in this regards unless can prove otherwise.