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Just read about this on another forum. Samsung reportedly plans to issue firmware update for its 990 Pro. If I owned this I would be less than thrilled as this carries potential risks. I know this based on my experience with the first batch of 980 Pro/s.
Hopefully for current owners, it's gonna work out. Fingers crossed.
You may have had your own woes with some of the drives but that was a separate instance.
Also, can you clarify what issue you're referring to? I'm possibly mixed up as I'm forgetting which of two issues this may pertain to. There's one with the drive having its endurance rating lower much faster than expected, and there's another with it getting stuck in read only mode (which a firmware update was apparently pushed out for a while back).
If it's the latter issue, a firmware update is most likely all it needs because the issue would be in the firmware. I had a Crucial MX100 with the same issue and the fix for it was the same.
If you're referring to the former issue, I don't know enough to say what the cause could be, but it could possibly be an issue with the way the the firmware is reading/treating/marking (?) or whatever something? I find it less likely the NAND itself is actually wearing out that fast, or at least my instinct tells me if it was that and Samsung knew, they wouldn't be trying to get out of setting things right for consumers of their most expensive SSD model right now. It doesn't make sense to me.
And I have no reason to defend Samsung as I don't care fore them. I just think being skeptical without knowing if it's a satisfactory solution to the problem is a bit unfair.
Plus, from what I understand, a firmware update is a last-resort measure, and Samsung issued three (!) during my 980 Pro odyssey. That should tell you something.
I said: hopefully it goes better for the 990 Pro owners. Hopefully, Samsung learned some lessons from the 980 Pro debacle. It's not nice to have paid top dollar for something, only to have to discard it some months later due to corruption.
I pulled the link from the source I initially read this from. You don't care for them but I happen to like Samsung--it's a genuine disappointment again to see their flagship product fail so quickly.
https://www.neowin.net/news/after-fixing-dying-980-pro-ssds-samsung-promises-firmware-for-990-pro-health-issue-as-well/
If you're referring to the risk of updating it, then yes firmware/BIOS flashing does carry that particular risk, yes, so it's a subjective thing I suppose. But it's nice to have as an option versus, say, them instructing everyone to send it in (when they'd likely just flash it and send it back anyway). That would entail needing to possibly get your data off it and/or onto another, shipping the drive out, waiting, and going without the drive in the interim, any of which may or may not be more of a setback than just flashing the drive. I'd much rather just flash it myself if it does indeed fix a problem. I know I'm not coming off as too bothered by the risk but I guess I'm not.
Firmware updates aren't "last resorts" though. You have a misunderstanding if that is how you see them. Firmware is sort of the "hardware level software" that often controls a LOT of important things, and it is precisely something that can be the cause of a particular issue (such as the drive being stuck in read only mode prematurely), and thus the only fix in those situations is a different firmware. If the hardware is good but the firmware is definitely bugged, what else is the fix?
I'm aware you had a bad experience with your Samsung 980. But if it's "months later" then I imagine you either got a working drive or your money back in the end? I've been there with EVGA because the GTX 970 just couldn't operate without severe coil whine issues. Three or four models, including a free upgrade to a higher tier one, all had the same issue. I did get refunded in the end, even if the lost time and heartache was disappointing. I do get that. As far as their reputation goes, if Samsung consistently puts of products with issues and enough people get put off, then yes, it will affect them, as it should. But I just think that, given what we know right now, there's little reason to be adamant that Samsung isn't doing the correct thing and that a firmware fix is insufficient and that the hardware is bad. Wait and see, as they say. It might be (bad hardware), and I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying my thought process is that Samsung wouldn't KNOW it is and try and avoid it. It just doesn't make sense to me.
As for data corruption, unfortunately, drives can go bad at any time, for a number of reasons. Never, ever rely on a particular drive for your data. Not any single drive is good enough to do that. Data that exists once, is scratch data, and data that doesn't exist. If it exists twice, it exists once. Etc. In other words, back up data you care about. If I lost something, I know it would largely be on me. If one of my drives went bad now, yeah, I'd be disappointed, and then possibly having to do an RMA or just replacing it, but nothing absolutely essential would be gone. My OS drive is treated as a scratch drive so the worst that happens there is the time spent reinstalling and maybe being set back on some game saves here or there. It'd be nice if we lived in a world where failures never occurred and data was always secure, but we don't.
Fair enough
But that didn't stop Samsung from dragging its feet over the first set of firmware updates....for months!
My main point of posting was that I was saying it seemed a bit unfair to say their presented solution was inadequate without knowing what the actual problem is. The firmware update may indeed be a fix. I'm not saying it will be or that their solution isn't inadequate but rather we need to wait and see one way or another.
But I'm trying to look at this from a "fair" and unattached perspective. I get your uneasiness about things since you dealt with issues pertaining to it. I'd probably be in the same spot. Actually I'd LOVE to have an issue where I KNEW what the problem is. I've been dealing with a near nightmare of an issue solely because I can't narrow it down, and due to its nature of being relative rare and random, I can't... reliably troubleshoot it, and now I'm worried warranty on the parts in question will expire and then the issue returns. At least a problem like this is "the device is new, the problem is widespread (ish), and firmware is marking the life lower than it should, so a fix is likely and relatively easy (hopefully)". Those are the issues I'd trade mine for. But any issue is bad I guess.
worked beautifully
building a 13900k build as we speak and going with the samsung 980 pro M.2 (OS) and 2
crucial 2 tb nand nvme M.2 gotta stick to what works.
If it looks like a good fit, then go with it. I wasn't necessarily talking about your specific choice (which I get the impression you thought I was). My comment was just saying that "going with what we know" is good and all, but never neglect researching it (and I wasn't saying you didn't).
people who have actual experiences with a product.we all can read for ourselves what you
repeat here.most people want advice from actual users of a product not the internet
sales pitches.the main reason i block you is you eat up entire posts and i have to sift through
if i want to find actual real world users of said products.thats why were here doing our research. and trying to help others do theirs.
one sentence from a actual user is worth more than a thousand words a sales pitch will
give you.
All I was doing was saying "don't blindly assume what experience happened before will necessarily repeat exactly with a given brand, so always do your due research", which is a fair statement, and not only did you take it as either an attack on your specific choices (it was not) or an insinuation that was saying you didn't do that (it also was not that), but now you're telling me I can't have input.
I'm not sure what the deal is, but you sound like you need to try and relax and have a good day. It was just a statement, not an attack, so don't get bent out of shape over it.
If you personally don't like my input, sure just block me and move on? I really don't care. That's what it's there for.
So if you have 90% Health now, the best you can expect from the flash is 90% Health.
Very disappointing for a flagship product.
Edit: here is the link he gave me. I appreciate this!
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/samsung-releases-firmware-fix-for-rapid-failure-issue-in-new-990-pro-ssds/
Interesting.
Thanks.