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DxSpark Jan 20, 2023 @ 3:51am
What gimmick will NVidia have fior the RTX 5000 series in end 2024-2025 ?
RTX 2000 series had RTX and Ray Tracing
RTX 3000 series had DLSS 2.0
RTX 4000 series has DLSS 3.0 frame-generation

What will be the RTX 5000's gimmick in your opinion? Some say that the next RTX GPUs will be MCM-based design but that's something that AMD has already done. We also can expect that the RTX 5000 finally will be DP 2.1 , which AMD has already done on their GPUs. So what else can we expect? Can we expect a DLSS 4.0 ? If yes, what would it do ? Maybe we can expect some kind of ShaderTensorCores to boost up the shader compilation to avoid stuttering in PC games? Maybe we can also expect a betterement of the G-Sync technology which hasn't improved for the last years?
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ZAP Jan 20, 2023 @ 9:12am 
Originally posted by 69-Krakken-69:
Originally posted by DxSpark:

A wasn't using gimmick in the pejorative way. What features if you wish.
Careful, what people buy they get super sensitive over... weirdos yes but we have to cater to them apparently.
Be extremely careful. Especially the ones that spend over $2k on a card only to use A.I. fake frames.
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Azza ☠ Jan 20, 2023 @ 9:18am 
Originally posted by ZAP:
Originally posted by 69-Krakken-69:
Careful, what people buy they get super sensitive over... weirdos yes but we have to cater to them apparently.
Be extremely careful. Especially the ones that spend over $2k on a card only to use A.I. fake frames.

Depends what you consider as "fake".

The AI frame generation is taking previous frames and calculating out the objects and movement between them, filling that between them.

Previously, Ray Tracing would of been "faked" or if enabled, tank all your game's performance down to like 24-54 FPS with 4K resolutions. Now you can have real Ray Tracing with HDR and the works, set it to max settings and have a better quality image with 68-124 FPS in comparison. It's a bit of a no brainer what is better, if you have actually used/seen it and played upon it. Given that the game has to support DDLS 3.0 to be able to allow that, many newer games are offering it's suppport, plus previous old ones too.

For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXZEMfaq69A
Last edited by Azza ☠; Jan 20, 2023 @ 9:23am
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Vendicator Senpai Jan 20, 2023 @ 9:21am 
It will also serve as a toaster
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ZAP Jan 20, 2023 @ 9:21am 
Originally posted by Azza ☠:
Originally posted by ZAP:
Be extremely careful. Especially the ones that spend over $2k on a card only to use A.I. fake frames.

Depends what you consider as "fake".

The AI frame generation is taking previous frames and calculating out the objects and movement between them, filling that between them.

Previously, Ray Tracing would of been "faked" or if enabled, tank all your game's performance down to like 24-54 FPS with 4K resolutions. Now you can have real Ray Tracing with HDR and the works, set it to max settings and have a better quality image with 68-124 FPS in comparison. It's a bit of a no brainer what is better, if you have actually used/seen it and played upon it. Given that the game has to support DDLS 3.0 to be able to allow that, many newer games are offering it's suppport, plus previous old ones too.

For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXZEMfaq69A
Too many words and spammed numetal is not trip I wish to take today. Good day.

Lol
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Azza ☠ Jan 20, 2023 @ 9:23am 
Originally posted by ZAP:
Originally posted by Azza ☠:

Depends what you consider as "fake".

The AI frame generation is taking previous frames and calculating out the objects and movement between them, filling that between them.

Previously, Ray Tracing would of been "faked" or if enabled, tank all your game's performance down to like 24-54 FPS with 4K resolutions. Now you can have real Ray Tracing with HDR and the works, set it to max settings and have a better quality image with 68-124 FPS in comparison. It's a bit of a no brainer what is better, if you have actually used/seen it and played upon it. Given that the game has to support DDLS 3.0 to be able to allow that, many newer games are offering it's suppport, plus previous old ones too.

For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXZEMfaq69A
Too many words and spammed numetal is not trip I wish to take today. Good day.

Lol

For your tiny brain to process then...

Faking Ray Tracing via preloading shaders vs Real Ray Tracing with fake frame generation inbetween via real-time AI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaQLawFCd44
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WaitandSee Jan 20, 2023 @ 9:36am 
I would like hardware in general to focus a bit on reduction of their energy consumption, Intel, AMD and NVidia all are going all-in on power with no regard for the other kind of power.

A high-end PC using the latest in processors and GPU's are likely to use so much energy that on extremely hot days or other conditions in which the south-west interconnect system is suffering instability or too much load, I wouldn't be surprised if they would call you up directly and ask you to shut it down and consider it 'Load Shedding' like they do with very energy intensive industries or companies. I find the concept amusing, as silly as it is.
My wall-split air-conditioner uses less energy than a modern RTX GPU on its own. That is ridiculous.

I think the hardware the latest GPU's offer is much better geared towards production workloads than gaming uses. The lack of developer support and benefits to the player that don't adversely affect frame time delivery would be something people might be interested in.
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ZAP Jan 20, 2023 @ 9:40am 
Originally posted by ZAP:
Originally posted by 69-Krakken-69:
Careful, what people buy they get super sensitive over... weirdos yes but we have to cater to them apparently.
Be extremely careful. Especially the ones that spend over $2k on a card only to use A.I. fake frames.
Quoted for posterity lol
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Azza ☠ Jan 20, 2023 @ 9:40am 
What can I say, except I like it so far and expect it to leap next gen pc gaming...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvhvB_Fb9ts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RwQ7H_EBoM

Also, I'm not just talking about the standard 1080p or 1440p resolution, with games we play today. I'm talking about seriously real-world quality graphics at 4K or higher resolutions. Plus the graphics card does it for you in real-time, rather than the game developer having to "fake" it with a bunch of pre-renderings. You get lighting effects which really make HDR monitors pop with realism. Shadows casted in dark caves with a glimmering of light and a torch glowing. It can greatly add to the gaming immersion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7tXVfDykUo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMF_Kq0n6l4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwEXJ3T1EJM

Most people's concept of PC gaming is still living in the past.
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stingray87 Jan 20, 2023 @ 9:44am 
how will the series after 9090Ti will be called

i will bet 20$ that it's not 10090.

maybe X90
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Zylx Jan 20, 2023 @ 9:45am 
who spends over 2000$ on a pc
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DxSpark Jan 20, 2023 @ 9:49am 
Originally posted by Zylx:
who spends over 2000$ on a pc

Who spends 2000$ for a PC when you can spend 2000$ or a RTX 4090 GPU?
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ZAP Jan 20, 2023 @ 9:52am 
Some people like to defend things and pretend to be experts more than game or benchmark.. So they are the ones we are talking about. The fake frame-huggers...
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Goose Jan 20, 2023 @ 9:56am 
i'll only buy their gimmicky cards if one of them comes with a pancake maker.
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Azza ☠ Jan 20, 2023 @ 9:57am 
Originally posted by DxSpark:
Originally posted by Zylx:
who spends over 2000$ on a pc

Who spends 2000$ for a PC when you can spend 2000$ or a RTX 4090 GPU?

You could always just get a console...

Else wait until the RTX 50xx series is released and purchase that sweet RTX 4090 instead secondhand from someone else upgrading to the RTX 50xx. It will at least come down in price over time. 4K resolution is still not quite the norm. I bet you later in the future it would just be like people running 1080p resolution and a lot cheaper when something else new arrives. Such is the cycle of next gen advances.

Originally posted by ZAP:
Some people like to defend things and pretend to be experts more than game or benchmark.. So they are the ones we are talking about. The fake frame-huggers...

Don't be so mad and salty in life. Gees. Go get yourself a Nintendo Switch and avoid being so triggered by what you clearly just can't afford. One day, when you grow up and become an adult with a full time job, you might be able one. Even then I would suggest it for 4K users only.

I had personally had got the RTX 4090 card to use via my work and they got it for wholesale, otherwise yes, I wouldn't of been using one quite yet and the store price is pretty insane.

"Pretending to be an expert, when it's someone who has used and experienced it vs someone just guessing and hating for the sake of it without any constructive criticism added or alternative..."
Last edited by Azza ☠; Jan 20, 2023 @ 10:09am
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ZAP Jan 20, 2023 @ 10:15am 
Imagine simping a supposed "Gaming" corporation when you don't even actually play games.

Get some self respect.
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