HeTiCu7 Jan 22, 2023 @ 12:34pm
need help understanding FPS
I have been playing Farming Simulator 19 for almost 3 years and never really bothered to investigate the performance of my system. The game settings said I had a "very high" hardware profile, so I went with 3840 x 2160 and played on.

But about a month ago, I started playing The Planet Crafter and just recently got to where I am waiting on the next update to continue my game, so I gave it a break and went back to FS19. All of a sudden my perception of the graphics rendering took a dive, so I decided to use the GeForce Overlay to see what my FPS is in both games.

In Planet Crafter it says I am averaging 26 FPS during game play. In FS19 it says I am averaging 16 FPS during play, which explains why I noticed the huge clarity difference when going back to FS19.

I tried switching the resolution in FS19 from 3840 x 2160 to 2560 x 1440, and there was no change in FPS; GeForce says both are rendering avg FPS at 16.

I have an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 with 6GB VRAM and from what I have read over the months that's not a low end card, so I assumed what I was getting in my games was the best I could do.

The other thing I noticed between the 2 games is VRAM is running at roughly 95% for both. I just did some quick research and it appears there's not a lot I can do about that except buy a better card, which I am not willing to do at this point.

I am trying to correlate and understand FPS, resolution settings, VRAM, GPU ratings, different game intensities, and anything else that is directly related to graphic smoothness.

So:
a) I would appreciate some explanation on how these things work together
b) Given my video specs, what is the best way (if there is a way) to raise my FPS in FS19? Or do I just accept the fact that FS19 is very graphic intensive and live with it?

Thanks!

EDIT:
Please see posting #43 for an apology.
Last edited by HeTiCu7; Jan 23, 2023 @ 11:26am
Originally posted by CJM:
Originally posted by HeTiCu7:
Something else I just thought of:
I have over 100 mods installed in FS19 that all add graphics content. Perhaps there are conflicts and framing issues between the mods that bring the FPS down no matter what settings I use.

*Facepalm*

You know, I thought about mentioning that point, but then thought nah, he wouldn't be running mods on a game and posting in the Hardware Forum,...

Odds are those mods are causing the issues. Mods are not generally favorable to older hardware.

Your benchmark looks fine, nothing wrong with your 2060.
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emoticorpse Jan 23, 2023 @ 7:19am 
Originally posted by macatak:
test your PC with userbenchmark and when it's finished a web page will open with the results, copy the url of the web page and paste it here

Do this please
Tomi Montana Jan 23, 2023 @ 7:57am 
Originally posted by nullable:
For example back in the day I was running Red Dead Redemption 2 on a 1440p monitor with a 1080 ti.....
Seeing words ´´Back in the day´´ and ´´1080 Ti´´ in a single sentence makes me feel old.

@OP
Yeah, its not normal for a RTX 2060 to chug on low settings at 1080p. Something is very wrong there, your GPU might be overheating.
Last edited by Tomi Montana; Jan 23, 2023 @ 8:01am
HeTiCu7 Jan 23, 2023 @ 9:23am 
Originally posted by macatak:
test your PC with userbenchmark and when it's finished a web page will open with the results, copy the url of the web page and paste it here

Here is the link:

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/58617348

It totally blew it on the SSD. What I have is:
WDS500G2X0C-00L350 (SSD)
Form Factor GB/2.5- to 3.5-inch adapter
Interface/Connector ATA with 33-pin connector (zero insertion forceZIF)

And I'm not entirely understanding what the point of all this is. I have already conceded that my GPU is not working correctly, and that I have probably worn it out running 4K gaming for 3 years, and am now looking into upgrading. From what I understand of the benchmark results, everything else is "old", but still running fine. And WD Dashboard says my SSD is in great shape.

Something else I just thought of:
I have over 100 mods installed in FS19 that all add graphics content. Perhaps there are conflicts and framing issues between the mods that bring the FPS down no matter what settings I use.
Last edited by HeTiCu7; Jan 23, 2023 @ 9:30am
It's unlikely you "wore out" the GPU. Hardware doesn't really substantially lose performance from heavy use over the years like that. Your graphics card may be fine. There's something more to your situation.

I'm asking for a think a third time, but please check temperatures. I'm admittedly doubting they are the cause, since you made it sound like you had this lower level of performance for three years (and funny enough only noticed because you felt a difference between upper teens and lower twenties frame rates between two games), and if it was really overheating and throttling to the point of performing that low for that long, it's unlikely it's wouldn't have just reached a critical point and started shutting down on you. At least that's my though. But please rule this out anyway.

Overall, there's a few things I'd do (and apologies if some of these were answered but I didn't see them).

Make sure your display is actually connected to your RTX 2060 and not the CPU onboard graphics. I saw one other person mention this but I didn't see if it was addressed.

Check Temperatures of the GPU namely.

Uninstall and reinstall video drivers (and perhaps all drivers) with the latest version.
Azza ☠ Jan 23, 2023 @ 9:59am 
Are you running upon Windows 10 or 11, etc?

You will likely find the game engine itself for Farming Simulator 19 isn't very optimized for the certain hardware. The game is likely also only using a single core, rather than your multi-cores of the CPU.

Ctrl + Alt + Del > Task Manager, then click on the Performance tab. Check under that while running the game, is the CPU, Memory, Disk and/or GPU actually getting maxed out? If so, note down which is maxed (bottle-necking it). If CPU, is it just upon one core that's maxed and not using the others? Note that down too.

Exit the game.

If there isn't any bottle-necking been detected, try this next step:

Right-click your Windows desktop > Nvidia Control Panel > Manage 3D Settings

Click on the "Program Settings" tab, search for or if not there, add the "Farming Simulator 19" game.

If you need to add to list - you will likely find the game's EXE under:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Farming Simulator 19\x64

Once you have it selected upon the "Select a program to customize" drop down list.
- Find the "Vertical sync" option and change the setting to "Fast".
- Set "OpenGL rendering GPU" to your graphics card
- Set "Antialiasing - FXAA" to OFF
- Set "Antialiasing - Transparency" to 4x (supersample)
- Set "Multi-Frame Sampled AA (MFAA) to ON

Save it. Did that affect it and improve your performance?

Make sure your Windows is set to your native resolution (3840 x 2160) of the monitor.

Back in the game, after testing once for performance change, go under settings, turn off it's V-SYNC and try again. Set the game to your native 4K resolution of the monitor (3840 x 2160) and ensure it's set to full screen mode (window mode should be turned OFF). Resolution scaling should be either 100% or test lowering that to 80%, etc.

If no improvements: Set the game settings back, exit out the game and set it back to the default under the Nvidia Control Panel too (by going to back to the "Select a program to customize" as before and clicking on the "Restore" button upon the game).

If no luck, and it's just Farming Simulator 19 affected by that terrible performance, you might have to mod/patch it, remove all your mods or consider using Farming Simulator 22 instead:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1248130/Farming_Simulator_22/

As that later version will make a lot better usage of your CPU at least and supports FSR 2.0 and DLSS 2.3. Your RTX 2060 graphics card can make usage of the DLSS 2.3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3judu8lLqo
Last edited by Azza ☠; Jan 23, 2023 @ 10:05am
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CJM Jan 23, 2023 @ 10:02am 
Originally posted by HeTiCu7:
Something else I just thought of:
I have over 100 mods installed in FS19 that all add graphics content. Perhaps there are conflicts and framing issues between the mods that bring the FPS down no matter what settings I use.

*Facepalm*

You know, I thought about mentioning that point, but then thought nah, he wouldn't be running mods on a game and posting in the Hardware Forum,...

Odds are those mods are causing the issues. Mods are not generally favorable to older hardware.

Your benchmark looks fine, nothing wrong with your 2060.
HeTiCu7 Jan 23, 2023 @ 10:04am 
Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:
In The Planet Crafter if you build a lot of stuff around your base it will hit the fps quite a lot.

Also RTX 2060 is by no means the 4K card, more like 1080p card that can usually manage around 50-60 fps in 1440p.

I just started TPC in 4K mode and checked with GeForce overlay and it showed:
GPU holding around 90%
VRAM holding around 90%
FPS running around 26

Then I switched to 1440p and it showed:
GPU holding around 65%
VRAM holding around 78%
FPS running around 33

And, yes, I have a LOT of stuff built all around my base: 24 OE T3, 41 FS T2, 12 BF T2, and on. So after combining all of the input from everyone else, and the benchmark results, and what I just realized and mentioned in posting #36, I now think the 2060 is doing fine, within its normal abilities.
HeTiCu7 Jan 23, 2023 @ 10:15am 
Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:
Make sure your display is actually connected to your RTX 2060 and not the CPU onboard graphics. I saw one other person mention this but I didn't see if it was addressed.

Yes.

Check Temperatures of the GPU namely.

I have been using HWMonitor for over a year to check on the GPU temps periodically. Right now FS19 is running and paused, and the GPU temp is 63C, and the Hot Spot is 81C. This is actually a bit lower than other times: 74C and 89C are the highest I remember seeing.
emoticorpse Jan 23, 2023 @ 10:25am 
Those Userbenchmark results are messy. I'd suspect there's an overall performance issue and the poor gaming performance is only a symptom.

Make sure you installed chipset drivers.
re-install the game and delete it's actual folder on your drive to ensure there are no residual files left over, then reinstall to test if it's not the mods doing this. If a vanilla install runs perfectly fine, then you know what the issue is with that game.

I still don't like the userbenchmark results though. I'd disconnect that generic drive or whatever it is meanwhile you troubleshoot this, and install the drivers for that Samsung ssd if applicable then run the test again.

I'd even say update bios and a whole bunch of other stuff but I am starting to think your patience is running out and you just want to buy a new gpu.

Whenever you want us to stop helping you can just rename the thread as SOLVED and chalk it up to a bad gpu even though not sure you truly abandoned that idea.
HeTiCu7 Jan 23, 2023 @ 10:28am 
Originally posted by CJM:
Originally posted by HeTiCu7:
Something else I just thought of:
I have over 100 mods installed in FS19 that all add graphics content. Perhaps there are conflicts and framing issues between the mods that bring the FPS down no matter what settings I use.

*Facepalm*

You know, I thought about mentioning that point, but then thought nah, he wouldn't be running mods on a game and posting in the Hardware Forum,...

Odds are those mods are causing the issues. Mods are not generally favorable to older hardware.

Your benchmark looks fine, nothing wrong with your 2060.

Yes, *facepalm*, and sheepish. Sorry, I am old and in my declining days, and sometimes I miss the simplest things. Apologies.

Thanks to everyone for all of the info, the testing, the questions, and the suggestions. After all is considered, and given this last confirmation about FS19, I apologize if I have wasted anyone's time. But it has been very educational for me, and has broadened my understanding of PC Graphics, which was my original query. I am still learning, even at my age. :)
CJM Jan 23, 2023 @ 10:44am 
Originally posted by emoticorpse:
Those Userbenchmark results are messy. I'd suspect there's an overall performance issue and the poor gaming performance is only a symptom.

Messy, maybe a little. There is likely a bottleneck. The range of a working card is 80% to 97% of peak performance. He's getting 91%, well above the 70% indicator of a defective card.

He's below the 63rd percentile mark, which means others have optimized their cards slightly. Could also mean older drivers performed better on the benchmark.

Let's not overstate the benchmark results. The card is clearly performing properly according to those benchmarks.
Okay, temperatures have been ruled out. Those appear more than cool enough.

We've ruled out the display being connected to the IGP because it's definitely connected to the GPU.

I see a post was marked as an answer to check mods for Farming Simulator. Does this mean removing the mods brings performance up? If not, what if you start a new save? Does that bring performance up?

And if either of those do help, that might explain why Farming Simulator is bogging down, but there's still the other game.

And do you have games besides these two? How do they behave? You're not struggling to pull above 20 FPS/30 FPS in any game you try I hope?

I'd just hate for you to replace it when either maybe you don't have to and/or still have to deal with the issue anyway.
HeTiCu7 Jan 23, 2023 @ 1:32pm 
Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:
I see a post was marked as an answer to check mods for Farming Simulator. Does this mean removing the mods brings performance up? If not, what if you start a new save? Does that bring performance up?

That was a good idea to confirm everything else I have learned in this thread. I started a new save and unchecked all mods. Once in the game, I ran around a bit and visited the BGA (with complex structural graphics) and GeForce told me I was staying around 44% GPU, 49% VRAM and almost consistent 60 FPS. And that's all in 4K mode with all the highest settings. So it seems this 2060, while maybe not ideal for 4K gaming, is certainly able to give it it's best shot.

And if either of those do help, that might explain why Farming Simulator is bogging down, but there's still the other game.

Please see posting #40, particularly the last paragraph. And I tried another test: I flew in jetpack far away from my base where the terrain was simplified, without any added entities built by me, and the FPS went up to 49% consistently. And that's still in 4K settings.

And do you have games besides these two? How do they behave? You're not struggling to pull above 20 FPS/30 FPS in any game you try I hope?

I checked a few other games (out of 50+) and they all run around 60 FPS, all in 4K mode. Which is why I really didn't notice this FPS issue until I quit playing FS19 for about a month, then went back to it.

When I started this thread I was genuinely thinking I was dealing with a hardware issue, and that my 2060 was not that old, and that it was new enough to not have any problems gaming in 4K. But the 1 common consensus through all the postings is that the 2060 is not a 4K gaming GPU. Now that I know that, I'll probably upgrade to the most I can afford and slide the 2060 over to my daily routine PC (one that I built personally in 2015, but is still purring along).

Thanks for all your help!
emoticorpse Jan 23, 2023 @ 1:35pm 
Originally posted by HeTiCu7:
...and the FPS went up to 49% consistently...

FPS isn't a percentage
Originally posted by HeTiCu7:
Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:
I see a post was marked as an answer to check mods for Farming Simulator. Does this mean removing the mods brings performance up? If not, what if you start a new save? Does that bring performance up?

That was a good idea to confirm everything else I have learned in this thread. I started a new save and unchecked all mods. Once in the game, I ran around a bit and visited the BGA (with complex structural graphics) and GeForce told me I was staying around 44% GPU, 49% VRAM and almost consistent 60 FPS. And that's all in 4K mode with all the highest settings. So it seems this 2060, while maybe not ideal for 4K gaming, is certainly able to give it it's best shot.
So it's not the GPU but the game, or rather, that specific situation in the game. Makes sense.

I'm not familiar with Farming Simulator, but Minecraft is like this. I can load up a world in the middle of a busy area and I might get substantially lower frame rates than in another area.

Originally posted by HeTiCu7:
And do you have games besides these two? How do they behave? You're not struggling to pull above 20 FPS/30 FPS in any game you try I hope?

I checked a few other games (out of 50+) and they all run around 60 FPS, all in 4K mode. Which is why I really didn't notice this FPS issue until I quit playing FS19 for about a month, then went back to it.
Well you can rule out the graphics card being bad in any way. Seems again it's just the game under the particular conditions your main save/location is causing.

Originally posted by HeTiCu7:
When I started this thread I was genuinely thinking I was dealing with a hardware issue, and that my 2060 was not that old, and that it was new enough to not have any problems gaming in 4K. But the 1 common consensus through all the postings is that the 2060 is not a 4K gaming GPU. Now that I know that, I'll probably upgrade to the most I can afford and slide the 2060 over to my daily routine PC (one that I built personally in 2015, but is still purring along).

Thanks for all your help!
Upgrading is fine if you want more performance, but make sure the moments your performance is low is because of the GPU, else a GPU upgrade won't do much.

Sure, the RTX 2060 can be said to be "not a 4K card", but that's an arbitrary thing. In reality, GPUs are just things that process things, with faster ones being, well... faster. People are going to say it's "not a 4K card" because when put through the paces of a handful of modern (usually medium to high demanding) games, and averaged out, it might not give great returns in a world where the younger people are melting down if they have firmly double digit FPS instead of close to or beyond triple digit FPS. But does that matter if the RTX 2060 is said to "be a 4K card"? No. If you're okay with the performance you're getting, don't replace it just because.

But I'm not specifically telling you not to upgrade; rather not to do so just because. Do upgrade if you want more performance though. But more importantly, if what I THINK is going on with Farming Simulator is happening (though I'm going out on a limb as I don't know the game), the moments you're getting very low performance possibly aren't GPU bound moments but CPU bound ones, so you'd spend all that money and maybe not get anything. Rule of thumb, if GPU use isn't at (or near) 100%, you are either limited by the system (or loosely, the CPU) or you're at a refresh rate/frame rate limit cap. If you turn resolution down to 1080p and all settings to their lowest and frame rate barely changes, it's not the GPU.
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