RTX 4090 is not for Native 4K gaming with the latest game engine

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with a huge price tag of 3000$ (if youre lucky 2000$ + tax 2400$ Approximately) almost for a card its only able to barely touch 4K 60 fps on the Latest Game engine UNREAL ENGINE 5.1 ? so is it safe to assume ALL gpu's are designed to run games at 1440p and we should all be OK paying 3000$ just to be satisfied at 1080p and 1440p ?? it was not too long ago i remember a GTX 1080 TI was able to run games at 4k 60 yes it was based on games from that generation but shouldnt a GPU thats released now be able to run all games at atleast 4k 120 fps with the latest game engine IF its the top end GPU of current generation??

Sure if you use old generation engines it does reach that fps but what about the future games using the latest game engine ?? are we expected to pay 3000$ every year for the next gpu ??

Here is the benchmark and keep in mind i am only referring to NATIVE 4K not DLSS : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr7LpP7Dm4E


Update January 27 2023 : Newly released game Forespoken running at 4K Native at 43 FPS its not even been a year since 4090 release and this is its performance : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u9l4Wkh9s

Update February 07 2023

Newly released game as of the date hogwarts legacy doesnt even get 60 fps : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dKUpcMckBg

Lets make sure to blame every single game developer from all different companies and pretend the RTX 4090 is actually a 4k card and all developers are doing everything wrong from all studios and all companies. Its DEFINITELY NOT NVIDIA pretending and Lying publicly about RTX 4090 being a true "Native 4k" GPU.

Lets all keep pretending.

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Yes, I have. And if you can't afford free lancing, then I guess you suck at the work, don't you?


I'm actually happy they dropped Nvlink. Ecstatic even. It means the hardware is approaching the power if not needing the poor support of nvlink.



Crying since ya poor, still. Still can't provide any facts without them getting refuted as lies, all ya showing here.



Get a workstation card for workstation tasks then... Tell me what work you need, or any business needs, where they would take a gaming GPU over the workstation equivalent. I'll wait for that reply happily, since know for a fact you won't have a real answer and just cry because you can.

I'm beginning to think you don't understand business that much.

And if you're happy that NVLink got removed, that means you're happy that Nvidia is finding ways to raw dog consumers by giving them a lesser product for MORE price.

Now, suggest me a workstation card under $50k that has better FP64 than the titan V. And I'll concede.

Don’t waste your time lol he’s talking about “prices” yet I literally linked proof of NVIDIA over pricing their GPU now with proof he’s still arguing after the proof of price hike was posted

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Same ones I have...

Get the PCIE equivalent of the A100 and not the SXM... Can get 5 of them for 50 grand. Maybe you should keep up to date on prices when talking hardware you don't understand, or even comprehend what it's use for, trying to look smart and instead looking dumber than bricks.

Well they don't even sell that anymore due to the launch of the H100, which you can't buy either due to them wanting you to only DGX that stupid thing.

Also, the A100 only has more FP64 over the Titan V if you get the 80gb variant, which was kinda hard to get.


Also, do YOU even know what FP64 is used for? You stated earlier it's for scientific analysis. Which isn't close to the only use case.

I gave some examples, with etc. I know very well what it's used for, and I can tell for a fact you wouldn't be posting here, or complaining about prices if you were experienced in any field that takes advantage of said software.

Titan V 7.450 TFLOPS (1:2)
A100 40GB 9.746 TFLOPS (1:2)
A100 SMX 80Gb 9.746 TFLOPS (1:2)

HMMMM!!!!

And if you want the H100? It's also under 50 grand as it stands right now.

It's almost like, you two don't even know what you're talking about, with Joker boy here trying to pull a fast one, not thinking someone with actual knowledge and use of the hardware would reply and show their wrongs.

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Well they don't even sell that anymore due to the launch of the H100, which you can't buy either due to them wanting you to only DGX that stupid thing.

Also, the A100 only has more FP64 over the Titan V if you get the 80gb variant, which was kinda hard to get.


Also, do YOU even know what FP64 is used for? You stated earlier it's for scientific analysis. Which isn't close to the only use case.

I gave some examples, with etc. I know very well what it's used for, and I can tell for a fact you wouldn't be posting here, or complaining about prices if you were experienced in any field that takes advantage of said software.

I don't think, just because I work workstation cards cards, I'm not allowed to complain about a gaming cards value.

For $1600, and them axing the titan level cards. The 4090 is flat out a bad value. Especially with them cutting FP16 to only 1:1. Not to mention anything that harms the workstation cases especially harms gamers, because Nvidia is straight up selling a WORSE product for a HIGHER price.

Please, answer this seriously. Why is the 4090 worth $1600-$2000?

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I gave some examples, with etc. I know very well what it's used for, and I can tell for a fact you wouldn't be posting here, or complaining about prices if you were experienced in any field that takes advantage of said software.

I don't think, just because I work workstation cards cards, I'm not allowed to complain about a gaming cards value.

For $1600, and them axing the titan level cards. The 4090 is flat out a bad value. Especially with them cutting FP16 to only 1:1. Not to mention anything that harms the workstation cases especially harms gamers, because Nvidia is straight up selling a WORSE product for a HIGHER price.

Please, answer this seriously. Why is the 4090 worth $1600-$2000?

What do you mean, cutting FP16 to 1:1? The ratio doesn't matter here, due to the fact it's THAT MUCH FASTER. Who cares if it's not 2:1 29.80 TFLOPS of the Titan V. It's 82.58 TFLOPS at a 1:1...

And I highly doubt you work with such hardware. 1600 bucks for the best gaming GPU on the market, that's twice as fast as last generation native, sometimes more? So efficient in power to frames that even at it's price, it it destroys everything else?

Welcome to inflation and the fact that GPU's are no longer import tax free.

You think prices are bad now? Wait until the middle of the year, all I'm going to say.

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I don't think, just because I work workstation cards cards, I'm not allowed to complain about a gaming cards value.

For $1600, and them axing the titan level cards. The 4090 is flat out a bad value. Especially with them cutting FP16 to only 1:1. Not to mention anything that harms the workstation cases especially harms gamers, because Nvidia is straight up selling a WORSE product for a HIGHER price.

Please, answer this seriously. Why is the 4090 worth $1600-$2000?

What do you mean, cutting FP16 to 1:1? The ratio doesn't matter here, due to the fact it's THAT MUCH FASTER. Who cares if it's not 2:1 29.80 TFLOPS of the Titan V. It's 82.58 TFLOPS at a 1:1...

And I highly doubt you work with such hardware. 1600 bucks for the best gaming GPU on the market, that's twice as fast as last generation native, sometimes more? So efficient in power to frames that even at it's price, it it destroys everything else?

Welcome to inflation and the fact that GPU's are no longer import tax free.

You think prices are bad now? Wait until the middle of the year, all I'm going to say.

Maybe it's twice as fast in one or two games. But it's not nearly twice as fast. in 90% of cases.

Also yeah, With massive tech layoffs, I'm waiting for Nvidia to TRY and weasel to charge more than $1500 for a GPU.

The problem isn't it's 1:1, is they're gimping the hardware dude. This isn't hard to understand why that's a bad thing for consumers.

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Oh no it marketed that can output display at 8K 60hz, better call them liar for calling a 4090 a gaming card when it never promoted that you get 8k 60 fps in games... Hz are not Fps clown...

I mean there is a slight difference here, intel just lists that their cards are capable of 8k60. Nvidia made an entire webpage about the 4090 doing 8k60.

The former is only legitimately claiming it can do 8k60, while the latter is making an entire webpage about how the 4090 is a "gaming beast".

Do with this information as you will.

This is basically what ran through my mind. Marketing would be creating a web page dedicated to the feature where a technical mention of a specific would be in the specs page with all the other stuff isn't as important to consumers. This is why I keep thinking they intend led to confuse people with fps and hz.

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What do you mean, cutting FP16 to 1:1? The ratio doesn't matter here, due to the fact it's THAT MUCH FASTER. Who cares if it's not 2:1 29.80 TFLOPS of the Titan V. It's 82.58 TFLOPS at a 1:1...

And I highly doubt you work with such hardware. 1600 bucks for the best gaming GPU on the market, that's twice as fast as last generation native, sometimes more? So efficient in power to frames that even at it's price, it it destroys everything else?

Welcome to inflation and the fact that GPU's are no longer import tax free.

You think prices are bad now? Wait until the middle of the year, all I'm going to say.

Maybe it's twice as fast in one or two games. But it's not nearly twice as fast. in 90% of cases.

Also yeah, With massive tech layoffs, I'm waiting for Nvidia to TRY and weasel to charge more than $1500 for a GPU.

The problem isn't it's 1:1, is they're gimping the hardware dude. This isn't hard to understand why that's a bad thing for consumers.

How is it punishing people who buy a GPU for gaming? And yes, in nearly all cases it's nearly double of last generation at native resolution, held back from more due to of all things a CPU bottleneck at 1440p and 1080p.

And where I work, we're hiring, not laying off. The tech lay offs going on don't impact the industry or fields that a workstation card nor gaming card would affect.

And none of this matters, since all it boils down to, is you both want a high end GPU, for less money. Called being broke, since you both ran out of arguments, since I was able to refute them all, for you of all things trying to bring work load software into the mix for a gaming GPU. That's just pathetic.

And what are your hardware specs now, that you keep avoiding to answer, that you think a 4090 is too much to invest in? Yet the OP is willing to invest 1600 into a new platform, motherboard, memory and CPU, but oh no, 1600 for a GPU, too much!

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Maybe it's twice as fast in one or two games. But it's not nearly twice as fast. in 90% of cases.

Also yeah, With massive tech layoffs, I'm waiting for Nvidia to TRY and weasel to charge more than $1500 for a GPU.

The problem isn't it's 1:1, is they're gimping the hardware dude. This isn't hard to understand why that's a bad thing for consumers.

How is it punishing people who buy a GPU for gaming? And yes, in nearly all cases it's nearly double of last generation at native resolution, held back from more due to of all things a CPU bottleneck at 1440p and 1080p.

And where I work, we're hiring, not laying off. The tech lay offs going on don't impact the industry or fields that a workstation card nor gaming card would affect.

And none of this matters, since all it boils down to, is you both want a high end GPU, for less money. Called being broke, since you both ran out of arguments, since I was able to refute them all, for you of all things trying to bring work load software into the mix for a gaming GPU. That's just pathetic.

And what are you hardware specs now, that you keep avoiding to answer, that you think a 4090 is too much to invest in? Yet the OP is willing to invest 1600 into a new platform, motherboard, memory and CPU, but oh no, 1600 for a GPU, too much!

"At native resolution" So you don't think 4k Is a native resolution for the 4090 then?

Also, I really don't know why you fail to understand why a company purpose gimping hardware is a bad thing, especially considering that the 4090 isn't only a gaming card. Nvidia does market the 4090 to "creators" right?

All I'm taking from your "Refutes" is that you think gimping customers, then charging $1600 for your card, is a good thing.

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How is it punishing people who buy a GPU for gaming? And yes, in nearly all cases it's nearly double of last generation at native resolution, held back from more due to of all things a CPU bottleneck at 1440p and 1080p.

And where I work, we're hiring, not laying off. The tech lay offs going on don't impact the industry or fields that a workstation card nor gaming card would affect.

And none of this matters, since all it boils down to, is you both want a high end GPU, for less money. Called being broke, since you both ran out of arguments, since I was able to refute them all, for you of all things trying to bring work load software into the mix for a gaming GPU. That's just pathetic.

And what are you hardware specs now, that you keep avoiding to answer, that you think a 4090 is too much to invest in? Yet the OP is willing to invest 1600 into a new platform, motherboard, memory and CPU, but oh no, 1600 for a GPU, too much!

"At native resolution" So you don't think 4k Is a native resolution for the 4090 then?

Also, I really don't know why you fail to understand why a company purpose gimping hardware is a bad thing, especially considering that the 4090 isn't only a gaming card. Nvidia does market the 4090 to "creators" right?

All I'm taking from your "Refutes" is that you think gimping customers, then charging $1600 for your card, is a good thing.

Quit trying to change the goal post joker troll boy. Native means with no scaling. They aren't gimping hardware either, the aspects you want for computing don't matter for gaming at all.

If the FP mattered, then why don't you get a 7900XTX. It has 2:1 FP16, etc etc. Oh wait, maybe because it isn't as powerful for gaming or any type of hardware ray tracing.

Now, what are you specs joker boy? You keep avoid that question. If you really do work in the field you claim, a 4090 should be a drop in the bucket. How about some of that GPU-Z validation linkage, or CPU-Z even.

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"At native resolution" So you don't think 4k Is a native resolution for the 4090 then?

Also, I really don't know why you fail to understand why a company purpose gimping hardware is a bad thing, especially considering that the 4090 isn't only a gaming card. Nvidia does market the 4090 to "creators" right?

All I'm taking from your "Refutes" is that you think gimping customers, then charging $1600 for your card, is a good thing.

Quit trying to change the goal post joker troll boy. Native means with no scaling. They aren't gimping hardware either, the aspects you want for computing don't matter for gaming at all.

If the FP mattered, then why don't you get a 7900XTX. It has 2:1 FP16, etc etc. Oh wait, maybe because it isn't as powerful for gaming or any type of hardware ray tracing.

Now, what are you specs joker boy? You keep avoid that question. If you really do work in the field you claim, a 4090 should be a drop in the bucket. How about some of that GPU-Z validation linkage, or CPU-Z even.

I didn't think I'd have to reiterate something to someone who keeps complaining about people who can't read. But the 4090 is not, ONLY, marketed towards gaming. So them gimping the FP16 performance is a bad thing.

If it's not gimped, why is it 1:1?

Also, if all native means is no scaling, then the 4090 at 4k is not twice as fast as the 3090. Maybe in 1-2 games. but not "nearly all cases"

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/rtx-4090-review-nvidias-biggest-gpu-is-easily-its-best/

Here's a review proving it.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-review/3

Here's another.

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Quit trying to change the goal post joker troll boy. Native means with no scaling. They aren't gimping hardware either, the aspects you want for computing don't matter for gaming at all.

If the FP mattered, then why don't you get a 7900XTX. It has 2:1 FP16, etc etc. Oh wait, maybe because it isn't as powerful for gaming or any type of hardware ray tracing.

Now, what are you specs joker boy? You keep avoid that question. If you really do work in the field you claim, a 4090 should be a drop in the bucket. How about some of that GPU-Z validation linkage, or CPU-Z even.

I didn't think I'd have to reiterate something to someone who keeps complaining about people who can't read. But the 4090 is not, ONLY, marketed towards gaming. So them gimping the FP16 performance is a bad thing.

If it's not gimped, why is it 1:1?

Also, if all native means is no scaling, then the 4090 at 4k is not twice as fast as the 3090. Maybe in 1-2 games. but not "nearly all cases"

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/rtx-4090-review-nvidias-biggest-gpu-is-easily-its-best/

Here's a review proving it.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-review/3

Here's another.

He’s not gonna read it , then type “you can’t read” after he himself doesn’t read it . That’s all he’s been doing once you provided proof with links before . Don’t waste your time he’s still pretending and coping with reality

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Quit trying to change the goal post joker troll boy. Native means with no scaling. They aren't gimping hardware either, the aspects you want for computing don't matter for gaming at all.

If the FP mattered, then why don't you get a 7900XTX. It has 2:1 FP16, etc etc. Oh wait, maybe because it isn't as powerful for gaming or any type of hardware ray tracing.

Now, what are you specs joker boy? You keep avoid that question. If you really do work in the field you claim, a 4090 should be a drop in the bucket. How about some of that GPU-Z validation linkage, or CPU-Z even.

I didn't think I'd have to reiterate something to someone who keeps complaining about people who can't read. But the 4090 is not, ONLY, marketed towards gaming. So them gimping the FP16 performance is a bad thing.

If it's not gimped, why is it 1:1?

Also, if all native means is no scaling, then the 4090 at 4k is not twice as fast as the 3090. Maybe in 1-2 games. but not "nearly all cases"

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/rtx-4090-review-nvidias-biggest-gpu-is-easily-its-best/

Here's a review proving it.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-review/3

Here's another.

Wow, you link things that show my words are correct, brilliant. Your proof page shows it's doubled.. Also, love how the first link, the guy admits his system bottlenecks the 4090, Bravo.

https://youtu.be/j9vC9NBL8zo

How about testing on a setup that even while still bottlenecking the 4090, shows it really is that powerful. Even in games it's not twice as powerful, it's above 50% faster at 4K at the lowest... The lowest..

And show me anywhere where Nvidia has marketed the 4090 for workstation loads. I'll wait.

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I didn't think I'd have to reiterate something to someone who keeps complaining about people who can't read. But the 4090 is not, ONLY, marketed towards gaming. So them gimping the FP16 performance is a bad thing.

If it's not gimped, why is it 1:1?

Also, if all native means is no scaling, then the 4090 at 4k is not twice as fast as the 3090. Maybe in 1-2 games. but not "nearly all cases"

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/rtx-4090-review-nvidias-biggest-gpu-is-easily-its-best/

Here's a review proving it.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-review/3

Here's another.

Wow, you link things that show my words are correct, brilliant. Your proof page shows it's doubled.. Also, love how the first link, the guy admits his system bottlenecks the 4090, Bravo.

https://youtu.be/j9vC9NBL8zo

How about testing on a setup that even while still bottlenecking the 4090, shows it really is that powerful. Even in games it's not twice as powerful, it's above 50% faster at 4K at the lowest... The lowest..

And show me anywhere where Nvidia has marketed the 4090 for workstation loads. I'll wait.

So the video proves you wrong, and you still take that as a win? At least you got that going for you.

You still haven't answered the question of how 1:1 FP16 ISN'T gimped

Straight from Nvidias site: "The NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4090 is the ultimate GeForce GPU. It brings an enormous leap in performance, efficiency, and AI-powered graphics. Experience ultra-high performance gaming, incredibly detailed virtual worlds, unprecedented productivity, and new ways to create. It’s powered by the NVIDIA Ada Lovelace architecture and comes with 24 GB of G6X memory to deliver the ultimate experience for gamers and creators."

[Komarimaru]

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Wow, you link things that show my words are correct, brilliant. Your proof page shows it's doubled.. Also, love how the first link, the guy admits his system bottlenecks the 4090, Bravo.

https://youtu.be/j9vC9NBL8zo

How about testing on a setup that even while still bottlenecking the 4090, shows it really is that powerful. Even in games it's not twice as powerful, it's above 50% faster at 4K at the lowest... The lowest..

And show me anywhere where Nvidia has marketed the 4090 for workstation loads. I'll wait.

So the video proves you wrong, and you still take that as a win? At least you got that going for you.

You still haven't answered the question of how 1:1 FP16 ISN'T gimped

Straight from Nvidias site: "The NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4090 is the ultimate GeForce GPU. It brings an enormous leap in performance, efficiency, and AI-powered graphics. Experience ultra-high performance gaming, incredibly detailed virtual worlds, unprecedented productivity, and new ways to create. It’s powered by the NVIDIA Ada Lovelace architecture and comes with 24 GB of G6X memory to deliver the ultimate experience for gamers and creators."

The video shows over double performance for a few games, 70% for the average with the lowest being over 50% increase of performance vs a 3090. The largest generation increase in performance ever.

And seriously, you think when they say Creators, they are talking about the workloads for computing and scientific study?! LOLOLOL

Creators... Content creators... Streaming, videos. The whole AV1 encoder... My god you are dumber than you post after all. And it's rendering performance is actually crazy fast, surprisingly so.

https://youtu.be/K8_QPx-IN-o
This is content creation.

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So the video proves you wrong, and you still take that as a win? At least you got that going for you.

You still haven't answered the question of how 1:1 FP16 ISN'T gimped

Straight from Nvidias site: "The NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4090 is the ultimate GeForce GPU. It brings an enormous leap in performance, efficiency, and AI-powered graphics. Experience ultra-high performance gaming, incredibly detailed virtual worlds, unprecedented productivity, and new ways to create. It’s powered by the NVIDIA Ada Lovelace architecture and comes with 24 GB of G6X memory to deliver the ultimate experience for gamers and creators."

The video shows over double performance for a few games, 70% for the average with the lowest being over 50% increase of performance vs a 3090. The largest generation increase in performance ever.

And seriously, you think when they say Creators, they are talking about the workloads for computing and scientific study?! LOLOLOL

Creators... Content creators... Streaming, videos. The whole AV1 encoder... My god are you dumber than you post after all.

I'll ask a final time.

How is 1:1 Fp16, not gimped?