RTX 4090 is not for Native 4K gaming with the latest game engine

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with a huge price tag of 3000$ (if youre lucky 2000$ + tax 2400$ Approximately) almost for a card its only able to barely touch 4K 60 fps on the Latest Game engine UNREAL ENGINE 5.1 ? so is it safe to assume ALL gpu's are designed to run games at 1440p and we should all be OK paying 3000$ just to be satisfied at 1080p and 1440p ?? it was not too long ago i remember a GTX 1080 TI was able to run games at 4k 60 yes it was based on games from that generation but shouldnt a GPU thats released now be able to run all games at atleast 4k 120 fps with the latest game engine IF its the top end GPU of current generation??

Sure if you use old generation engines it does reach that fps but what about the future games using the latest game engine ?? are we expected to pay 3000$ every year for the next gpu ??

Here is the benchmark and keep in mind i am only referring to NATIVE 4K not DLSS : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr7LpP7Dm4E


Update January 27 2023 : Newly released game Forespoken running at 4K Native at 43 FPS its not even been a year since 4090 release and this is its performance : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u9l4Wkh9s

Update February 07 2023

Newly released game as of the date hogwarts legacy doesnt even get 60 fps : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dKUpcMckBg

Lets make sure to blame every single game developer from all different companies and pretend the RTX 4090 is actually a 4k card and all developers are doing everything wrong from all studios and all companies. Its DEFINITELY NOT NVIDIA pretending and Lying publicly about RTX 4090 being a true "Native 4k" GPU.

Lets all keep pretending.

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Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

Messaggio originale di JokeeeceNightmare:

I got the fact that for the 4090 being a $1600 card, minimum mind you; that it draws too much power, it's still not a titan class card, and it still only has 24gb of RAM like the 3090. So why should I buy one?

Also, why is the 4090 so blasted big? This one is just me nitpicking but holy cow.

It draws barely more power than my 3080TI does at 450 watts. And you can't afford to buy one obviously, or would have one, since the way you're crying I'm guessing your hardware is below even the OP's.

The 3080 TI has a TDP of 350W, and the 4090 has a TDP of 450W. That's not something that most people would call "barely"

Also, you didn't address that is still has the same amount of memory as the 3090, or it's still not a titan card. So where's the worth?

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Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

So, you can't find this post I supposedly edited? you make a claim, you better be able to back it up or you're just showing how much of a liar you really are.

Reads half the comment ignores 2nd half . Another cope.

You can edit the post and once you lose argument you can just simply delete it. Once its deleted theres no way to find it.

Wrong. I never deleted any post. You find where it should be, can show my comment history. Click your name up top, Activity, Far Right, Comment History. Shows even deleted posts.

I'm calling out your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ right now, show this post I edited, since I didn't delete any.

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Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

Messaggio originale di 8==========D:

Reads half the comment ignores 2nd half . Another cope.

You can edit the post and once you lose argument you can just simply delete it. Once its deleted theres no way to find it.

Wrong. I never deleted any post. You find where it should be, can show my comment history. Click your name up top, Activity, Far Right, Comment History. Shows even deleted posts.

I'm calling out your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ right now, show this post I edited, since I didn't delete any.

its so much easier for you to just say " its a 1440p card just pretending with upscaling technology known as DLSS"

[Komarimaru]

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Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

It draws barely more power than my 3080TI does at 450 watts. And you can't afford to buy one obviously, or would have one, since the way you're crying I'm guessing your hardware is below even the OP's.

The 3080 TI has a TDP of 350W, and the 4090 has a TDP of 450W. That's not something that most people would call "barely"

Also, you didn't address that is still has the same amount of memory as the 3090, or it's still not a titan card. So where's the worth?

And what's wrong with its memory? Did you expect them to create even newer memory in just 1 generation gap when we're no where near the bandwidth limit of it? That's just wasting money and stupid.

And some 3080TI has a TDP of 350, mine is 450 watts.

[[Jokeeece]Nightmare]

Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

Messaggio originale di JokeeeceNightmare:

The 3080 TI has a TDP of 350W, and the 4090 has a TDP of 450W. That's not something that most people would call "barely"

Also, you didn't address that is still has the same amount of memory as the 3090, or it's still not a titan card. So where's the worth?

And what's wrong with its memory? Did you expect them to create even newer memory in just 1 generation gap when we're no where near the bandwidth limit of it? That's just wasting money and stupid.

And some 3080TI has a TDP of 350, mine is 450 watts.

No, i don't want FASTER memory, i want MORE memory. Bandwidth is only half the equation, since a lot of older, or less well coded, programs use fixed allocation amounts instead of speed and bandwidth. Take minecraft as a basic example, it literally uses a SET amount.

Also, the 4090 is STILL not a titan card.

[Komarimaru]

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Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

And what's wrong with its memory? Did you expect them to create even newer memory in just 1 generation gap when we're no where near the bandwidth limit of it? That's just wasting money and stupid.

And some 3080TI has a TDP of 350, mine is 450 watts.

No, i don't want FASTER memory, i want MORE memory. Bandwidth is only half the equation, since a lot of older, or less well coded, programs use fixed allocation amounts instead of speed and bandwidth. Take minecraft as a basic example, it literally uses a SET amount.

Also, the 4090 is STILL not a titan card.

Titan cards no longer exist, they made them the xx90 series. Why? Because changing the names of Titan cards was convulated. So, you want a Titan level card? You buy a xx90 series.

And unless you're you're doing rendering, you don't need more then 24GB for games as it stands. Even my A5000 does fine rendering with only 24GB.

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Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

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No, i don't want FASTER memory, i want MORE memory. Bandwidth is only half the equation, since a lot of older, or less well coded, programs use fixed allocation amounts instead of speed and bandwidth. Take minecraft as a basic example, it literally uses a SET amount.

Also, the 4090 is STILL not a titan card.

Titan cards no longer exist, they made them the xx90 series. Why? Because changing the names of Titan cards was convulated. So, you want a Titan level card? You buy a xx90 series.

And unless you're you're doing rendering, you don't need more then 24GB for games as it stands. Even my A5000 does fine rendering with only 24GB.

It's titan in name only. The 4090 doesn't have the same chip die as old titans, and it's missing the double precision 1:4 instruction.

Look at the die at any titan card and it's the XX102-400 chip. the 3090 was the GA102-300 and the 4090 is the AD102-300. neither of these are the 400 series chip indicating that it's cut down even further than the titan was.

Honestly the only GOOD thing about workstation 4090's is that is has WAY more L2 cache than any consumer card to date.

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Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

Titan cards no longer exist, they made them the xx90 series. Why? Because changing the names of Titan cards was convulated. So, you want a Titan level card? You buy a xx90 series.

And unless you're you're doing rendering, you don't need more then 24GB for games as it stands. Even my A5000 does fine rendering with only 24GB.

It's titan in name only. The 4090 doesn't have the same chip die as old titans, and it's missing the double precision 1:4 instruction.

Look at the die at any titan card and it's the XX102-400 chip. the 3090 was the GA102-300 and the 4090 is the AD102-300. neither of these are the 400 series chip indicating that it's cut down even further than the titan was.

Thanks for this crucial information. Now that makes sense i saw a tweet about the chip manufacturer who provided leaks about the upcoming 4060 TI even being weaker then a 3060 TI with less CUDA cores ( i know thats a separate topic and its a rumor ) but im sharing it. Shows theyre just trying to up the profit margin while providing less. Their fanboys can keep pretending though.

[Komarimaru]

Messaggio originale di JokeeeceNightmare:

Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

Titan cards no longer exist, they made them the xx90 series. Why? Because changing the names of Titan cards was convulated. So, you want a Titan level card? You buy a xx90 series.

And unless you're you're doing rendering, you don't need more then 24GB for games as it stands. Even my A5000 does fine rendering with only 24GB.

It's titan in name only. The 4090 doesn't have the same chip die as old titans, and it's missing the double precision 1:4 instruction.

Look at the die at any titan card and it's the XX102-400 chip. the 3090 was the GA102-300 and the 4090 is the AD102-300. neither of these are the 400 series chip indicating that it's cut down even further than the titan was.

Last I checked, the 1080ti Titan V was the last one to use FP64. Changes nothing and the RTX Titan still out performed it.

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Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

Messaggio originale di JokeeeceNightmare:

It's titan in name only. The 4090 doesn't have the same chip die as old titans, and it's missing the double precision 1:4 instruction.

Look at the die at any titan card and it's the XX102-400 chip. the 3090 was the GA102-300 and the 4090 is the AD102-300. neither of these are the 400 series chip indicating that it's cut down even further than the titan was.

Last I checked, the 1080ti Titan V was the last one to use FP64. Changes nothing and the RTX Titan still out performed it.

Now saying a RTX titan is "better then GTX titan" Well we all hope so as its a newer generation its a "No Sh*t Sherlock" moment. It Better outperform the older the titan is the "Normal" expectancy.

[[Jokeeece]Nightmare]

Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

Messaggio originale di JokeeeceNightmare:

It's titan in name only. The 4090 doesn't have the same chip die as old titans, and it's missing the double precision 1:4 instruction.

Look at the die at any titan card and it's the XX102-400 chip. the 3090 was the GA102-300 and the 4090 is the AD102-300. neither of these are the 400 series chip indicating that it's cut down even further than the titan was.

Last I checked, the 1080ti Titan V was the last one to use FP64. Changes nothing and the RTX Titan still out performed it.

I am really confused by your statement, do you care to elaborate?

Let me explain my confusion. Every GPU uses FP32 as a precision format. so therefor it also has FP64. My problem with the 4090 is it doesn't have the 1:4 ratio. it rather has 1:64 which is by all mathematical accounts, worse.

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Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

Last I checked, the 1080ti Titan V was the last one to use FP64. Changes nothing and the RTX Titan still out performed it.

I am really confused by your statement, do you care to elaborate?

Let me explain my confusion. Every GPU uses FP32 as a precision format. so therefor it also has FP64. My problem with the 4090 is it doesn't have the 1:4 ratio. it rather has 1:64 which is by all mathematical accounts, worse.

Dont provide too many facts he will start crying and curse at you then later first edit and then delete then say "considering i never delete my posts" after deleting his post.

[Komarimaru]

Messaggio originale di JokeeeceNightmare:

Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

Last I checked, the 1080ti Titan V was the last one to use FP64. Changes nothing and the RTX Titan still out performed it.

I am really confused by your statement, do you care to elaborate?

Let me explain my confusion. Every GPU uses FP32 as a precision format. so therefor it also has FP64. My problem with the 4090 is it doesn't have the 1:4 ratio. it rather has 1:64 which is by all mathematical accounts, worse.

I hate to break it to you, but...

No one uses FP64.. for any gaming and doesn't matter for the topic of the 4090 Price point.

For the work loads that demand FP64, you'll use the proper hardware. AMD has some very nice workstation cards just for it. Nvidia as well

If you're really basing your disdain of the 4090 due to their FP64 performance, here's another kicker... They are still faster just due to raw power alone in many cases...

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Messaggio originale di JokeeeceNightmare:

I am really confused by your statement, do you care to elaborate?

Let me explain my confusion. Every GPU uses FP32 as a precision format. so therefor it also has FP64. My problem with the 4090 is it doesn't have the 1:4 ratio. it rather has 1:64 which is by all mathematical accounts, worse.

Dont provide too many facts he will start crying and curse at you then later first edit and then delete then say "considering i never delete my posts" after deleting his post.

So far, none of you have posted facts. Now we got an idiot, who thinks FP64 performance matters for gaming. The software that uses it, is all based around scientific computing. Meaning finite analysis, computational physics, fluids dynamic composition etc etc.

So, you both are made to look even worse than before now.

[[Jokeeece]Nightmare]

Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:

Messaggio originale di JokeeeceNightmare:

I am really confused by your statement, do you care to elaborate?

Let me explain my confusion. Every GPU uses FP32 as a precision format. so therefor it also has FP64. My problem with the 4090 is it doesn't have the 1:4 ratio. it rather has 1:64 which is by all mathematical accounts, worse.

I hate to break it to you, but...

No one uses FP64.. for any gaming and doesn't matter for the topic of the 4090 Price point.

For the work loads that demand FP64, you'll use the proper hardware. AMD has some very nice workstation cards just for it. Nvidia as well

If you're really basing your disdain of the 4090 due to their FP64 performance, here's another kicker... They are still faster just due to raw power alone in many cases...

The 4090 in FP64 performance is still HEAVILY outclassed by the now 5 year old titan V. Sure this doesn't matter in gaming, but for its price tag and being a 2022 card it should really do better in this reguard.

Also, not everyone has the money to spend on the $180k HGX A100

Did I ever mention ANYTHING about gaming when talking about the FP64 performance? No i didn't.