RTX 4090 is not for Native 4K gaming with the latest game engine

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with a huge price tag of 3000$ (if youre lucky 2000$ + tax 2400$ Approximately) almost for a card its only able to barely touch 4K 60 fps on the Latest Game engine UNREAL ENGINE 5.1 ? so is it safe to assume ALL gpu's are designed to run games at 1440p and we should all be OK paying 3000$ just to be satisfied at 1080p and 1440p ?? it was not too long ago i remember a GTX 1080 TI was able to run games at 4k 60 yes it was based on games from that generation but shouldnt a GPU thats released now be able to run all games at atleast 4k 120 fps with the latest game engine IF its the top end GPU of current generation??

Sure if you use old generation engines it does reach that fps but what about the future games using the latest game engine ?? are we expected to pay 3000$ every year for the next gpu ??

Here is the benchmark and keep in mind i am only referring to NATIVE 4K not DLSS : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr7LpP7Dm4E


Update January 27 2023 : Newly released game Forespoken running at 4K Native at 43 FPS its not even been a year since 4090 release and this is its performance : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u9l4Wkh9s

Update February 07 2023

Newly released game as of the date hogwarts legacy doesnt even get 60 fps : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dKUpcMckBg

Lets make sure to blame every single game developer from all different companies and pretend the RTX 4090 is actually a 4k card and all developers are doing everything wrong from all studios and all companies. Its DEFINITELY NOT NVIDIA pretending and Lying publicly about RTX 4090 being a true "Native 4k" GPU.

Lets all keep pretending.

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Dr.Shadowds 🐉 の投稿を引用：

8==========D の投稿を引用：

thats the whole point of a NEW gpu isnt it ?

You fail to understand, if they were gonna claim something they would've claim something in that regerd, they would've marketed making said claim which is the whole point you ignored, as they never marketed, or claim it will be doing something you're ranting about.

8==========D の投稿を引用：

and dont you think game engine developers have back end connection with hardware manufacturers to a point where they would synchronize their system requirements knowing what it can or cannot do ? the game engine Public release was in November 2022 but it doesnt mean Nvidia or other GPU manufacturer didnt know about this game engine launch before hand internally...

Game engines developers are not obligated to bow to GPU manufacturers they only do what they benefit them, or what they want for themselves, as GPU sales has no bareing on them so why would it matter what GPU markers do really besides new tech features that what I'm saying. So may have games not optimize well, and some games optimize very well, and for all you know Fortnite might not have gotten fully optimize for it UE 5.1, but again you shouldn't expect 120 FPS for all future games, and updates that happens, as that not how real world works, if Devs have to limit themselves, then basically UE 5.1 wouldn't exist, or be delay until it meet demand for latest GPU, hence why they don't bow to GPU manufactures.

Yeah they may know about it, but doesn't mean they will have hands on future game engines, let alone would do things with game engines as you expect them to do as NOT ALL GAMES are made the same, there more factors you kept ignoring.

emoticorpse の投稿を引用：

Typo on year.

8==========D の投稿を引用：

Just checked RTX 4090 DID NOT release in 2020. Lying is illegal in 189 countries across the planet

Yeah it's a typo, get over it.

Their website claims "8k" yet they cant do 4k 60 fps on new game engines. Here you are still pretending..

[Revelene]

It is extremely obvious that they meant "2022" and not "2020", making the statement still absolutely factual. The GPU was developed and released before the new engine.

OP is still dodging my question on purpose. They try to claim Nvidia is lying about their advertising of the gpu, but cannot provide any proof. It is just some kid whining that videogame and computer hardware doesn't work like in their dreams.

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8==========D の投稿を引用：

Their website claims "8k" yet they cant do 4k 60 fps on new game engines. Here you are still pretending..

So did you even bother checking minor details such as settings, and etc??? Or just went and fantasize claims made in your head?

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Dr.Shadowds 🐉 の投稿を引用：

You fail to understand, if they were gonna claim something they would've claim something in that regerd, they would've marketed making said claim which is the whole point you ignored, as they never marketed, or claim it will be doing something you're ranting about.


Game engines developers are not obligated to bow to GPU manufacturers they only do what they benefit them, or what they want for themselves, as GPU sales has no bareing on them so why would it matter what GPU markers do really besides new tech features that what I'm saying. So may have games not optimize well, and some games optimize very well, and for all you know Fortnite might not have gotten fully optimize for it UE 5.1, but again you shouldn't expect 120 FPS for all future games, and updates that happens, as that not how real world works, if Devs have to limit themselves, then basically UE 5.1 wouldn't exist, or be delay until it meet demand for latest GPU, hence why they don't bow to GPU manufactures.

Yeah they may know about it, but doesn't mean they will have hands on future game engines, let alone would do things with game engines as you expect them to do as NOT ALL GAMES are made the same, there more factors you kept ignoring.



Typo on year.


Yeah it's a typo, get over it.

Their website claims "8k" yet they cant do 4k 60 fps on new game engines. Here you are still pretending..

Their website claims 8k when you have DLSS 3 on, not native 8k performance.

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JokeeeceNightmare の投稿を引用：

8==========D の投稿を引用：

Their website claims "8k" yet they cant do 4k 60 fps on new game engines. Here you are still pretending..

Their website claims 8k when you have DLSS 3 on, not native 8k performance.

So that would be consistent with Nvidia not marketing 8k?

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emoticorpse の投稿を引用：

JokeeeceNightmare の投稿を引用：

Their website claims 8k when you have DLSS 3 on, not native 8k performance.

So that would be consistent with Nvidia not marketing 8k?

You can marketing anything you want, as long as you have the proper disclaimers about the truth of the reality. It's how companies can get away with ads like; "We're #1 in X class." Because they have a disclaimer saying something along the lines of; "according to X journalist"

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JokeeeceNightmare の投稿を引用：

emoticorpse の投稿を引用：

So that would be consistent with Nvidia not marketing 8k?

You can marketing anything you want....

Not an answer to the question I asked, but at least you answered to something.

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JokeeeceNightmare の投稿を引用：

8==========D の投稿を引用：

Their website claims "8k" yet they cant do 4k 60 fps on new game engines. Here you are still pretending..

Their website claims 8k when you have DLSS 3 on, not native 8k performance.

so you are also confirming they cant support Native resolution for 4k or 8k they are basically just selling Frame generation and upscaling technology not true Native resolution

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emoticorpse の投稿を引用：

JokeeeceNightmare の投稿を引用：

Their website claims 8k when you have DLSS 3 on, not native 8k performance.

So that would be consistent with Nvidia not marketing 8k?

That the thing, when you market something let say for example we're marketing it for DOOM 2016, and we claim it can do 8k 60fps, but you see in small text you can read hence minor details, or disclaimer if you will, explaining how they were able to do 8k 60fps such as using upscale feature, and using pre set settings at high instead of ultra, stuff like that actually matters because that doesn't make them lie about anything, it just shows what GPU can do, but doesn't promise how it will perform for other games, or future gamees, and update changes that can affect performance causing FPS to go up, or down.

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8==========D の投稿を引用：

JokeeeceNightmare の投稿を引用：

Their website claims 8k when you have DLSS 3 on, not native 8k performance.

so you are also confirming they cant support Native resolution for 4k or 8k they are basically just selling Frame generation and upscaling technology not true Native resolution

I never doubted that the 4090 was overpriced garbage. I'm just saying how they get away with marketing it the way they do.

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JokeeeceNightmare の投稿を引用：

8==========D の投稿を引用：

so you are also confirming they cant support Native resolution for 4k or 8k they are basically just selling Frame generation and upscaling technology not true Native resolution

I never doubted that the 4090 was overpriced garbage. I'm just saying how they get away with marketing it the way they do.

Thanks for the confirmation

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Dr.Shadowds 🐉 の投稿を引用：

emoticorpse の投稿を引用：

So that would be consistent with Nvidia not marketing 8k?

That the thing, when you market something let say for example we're marketing it for DOOM 2016, and we claim it can do 8k 60fps, but you see in small text you can read hence minor details, or disclaimer if you will, explaining how they were able to do 8k 60fps such as using upscale feature, and using pre set settings at high instead of ultra, stuff like that actually matters because that doesn't make them lie about anything, it just shows what GPU can do, but doesn't promise how it will perform for other games, or future gamees, and update changes that can affect performance causing FPS to go up, or down.

JokeeeceNightmare の投稿を引用：

8==========D の投稿を引用：

so you are also confirming they cant support Native resolution for 4k or 8k they are basically just selling Frame generation and upscaling technology not true Native resolution

I never doubted that the 4090 was overpriced garbage. I'm just saying how they get away with marketing it the way they do.

Look guys, I get what you're saying. I'm not asking how McDonald's can get away with marketing a big juicy thick perfect looking Big Mac and then give you a tiny sloppy ugly sandwich sometimes prepared wrong and still get away with it. I already know how it works. My question in that context would be "are they marketing a big juicy thick perfect looking Big Mac".

My question with Nvidia is NOT "How do they get away with marketing 8k guys?". My question is "are they marketing 8k?". I was looking at your answer/opinion on that.

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emoticorpse の投稿を引用：

Azza ☠ の投稿を引用：

I haven't tested any 8K monitors, nor do I wish.

Convenient you don't want to talk about 8k performance and Nvidia's 8k marketing when you have a 4090. I got it. I was under the wrong impression.

Azza ☠ の投稿を引用：

The point is 1440p resolution is already maxed out and those that wish could sit happy upon it.

I understand this point, but that isn't the point of this thread. I'll repeat it again though, your point is valid. I say the same thing at times and genuinely believe it. But I'll also point out that because a gamer should appreciate and be happy with a full 1440p experience, doesn't give Nvidia the right to mislead people into thinking a 4090 is a 8k card.

I already stated about the ambiguity of Nvidia's claims (even though Komarimaru helped my case by further specifying Nvidia's details on the performance at 8k). The way I see it, they have "marketed" the 4090 as a 8k card even if it's not 8k/144hz/rtx/ultra settings. My whole point is that by that claim a 4k experience would be easily achievable.

I mean, it says right there in big bold 3d text "8k HDR GAMING" and yet I'm not seeing 4k, but I do see "3840x2160 Resolution" in tiny letters and not even an fps is given in the performance section. All they did was put some bars side by side comparing it to a 3090 ti.

Azza ☠ の投稿を引用：

Just like how 1080p resolution was maxed out in the past. We are touching now upon 4K. Not only that but new features which run in real-time to generate.

I also feel this helps my case. If 1440p is maxed out and we are "touching now upon 4k" then why is 8k hype bigger on the page than 4k?

Azza ☠ の投稿を引用：

Basically put: It's like someone complaining about the original cost of a new coloured TV screen, when they had just arrived. Then comparing that coloured TV with the old black and white, saying it's not as good. Remember when we use to play 8-bit games and they are so cheap now, blah, blah, blah. It's an illogical statement of living in the past.

In OP's case, he probably is an example of the people you're talking about. But just because he's the one that started the thread and you don't like his take on Nvidia and 4k performance doesn't mean another claim should be swept under the rug. My whole thing started with someone asking where marketed the card as an 4k card and so far I've been putting my answer to that.

Also, I'm not angry about the cards not reaching 4090. I doubt you'll believe this though.

I don't know were you are finding advertising of it being advertised as an 8K or even 4K card?

I assume you are on the offical website product page:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/rtx-4090/

"The NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4090 is the ultimate GeForce GPU. It brings an enormous leap in performance, efficiency, and AI-powered graphics. Experience ultra-high performance gaming, incredibly detailed virtual worlds, unprecedented productivity, and new ways to create. It’s powered by the NVIDIA Ada Lovelace architecture and comes with 24 GB of G6X memory to deliver the ultimate experience for gamers and creators."

NVIDIA Ada Lovelace Architecture
"Ahead of its time, ahead of the game"

New Streaming Multiprocessors
- Up to 2x performance and power efficiency

Fourth-Gen Tensor Cores
- Up to 4x performance with DLSS 3 vs. brute-force rendering

Third-Gen RT Cores
- Up to 2x ray tracing performance

utting-Edge GPUs

NVIDIA Ada Lovelace Architecture

Realistic and Immersive Graphics
- Dedicated Ray Tracing Cores

AI-Accelerated Performance
- NVIDIA DLSS 3

Game-Winning Responsiveness
- NVIDIA Reflex low-latency platform

Built for Live Streaming
- NVIDIA Encoder

AI-Enhanced Voice and Video
- NVIDIA Broadcast

Fast-Track Your Creativity
- NVIDIA Studio

Performance and Reliability
- Game Ready and Studio Drivers

Under performance it shows a comparison of 2-4x more performance with previous generations. That uses 3840x2160 Resolution, Highest Game Settings, DLSS Super Resolution Performance Mode, DLSS Frame Generation on RTX 40 Series, i9-12900K, 32GB RAM, Win 11 x64. All DLSS Frame Generation data and Cyberpunk 2077 with new Ray Tracing: Overdrive Mode based on pre-release builds.

It also shows lower power usage. Average gaming power is measured across 22 games at 4K, 1440p, and 1080p.

Ray Tracing - Hyperrealistic. Hyperfast.
"The Ada architecture unleashes the full glory of ray tracing, which simulates how light behaves in the real world. With the power of RTX 40 Series and third-gen RT Cores, you can experience incredibly detailed virtual worlds like never before."

NVIDIA DLSS 3 - The performance multiplier, powered by AI.
"DLSS is a revolutionary breakthrough in AI-powered graphics that massively boosts performance. Powered by the new fourth-gen Tensor Cores and Optical Flow Accelerator on GeForce RTX 40 Series GPUs, DLSS 3 uses AI to create additional high-quality frames."

Where does it say 4K or 8K?

Oh right, are you talking about the max card resolution supported?

Max Display Resolution: 4K at 240Hz or 8K at 60Hz, with DSC

I see no false advertising, just people's false assumptions... I don't have an 8K or 4K with 240Hz, but can confirm it's gotten up to 240 FPS using 4K resolution. The max my 4K monitor refresh is at 120Hz, which it has reached happily.

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emoticorpse の投稿を引用：

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 の投稿を引用：

That the thing, when you market something let say for example we're marketing it for DOOM 2016, and we claim it can do 8k 60fps, but you see in small text you can read hence minor details, or disclaimer if you will, explaining how they were able to do 8k 60fps such as using upscale feature, and using pre set settings at high instead of ultra, stuff like that actually matters because that doesn't make them lie about anything, it just shows what GPU can do, but doesn't promise how it will perform for other games, or future gamees, and update changes that can affect performance causing FPS to go up, or down.

JokeeeceNightmare の投稿を引用：

I never doubted that the 4090 was overpriced garbage. I'm just saying how they get away with marketing it the way they do.

Look guys, I get what you're saying. I'm not asking how McDonald's can get away with marketing a big juicy thick perfect looking Big Mac and then give you a tiny sloppy ugly sandwich sometimes prepared wrong and still get away with it. I already know how it works. My question in that context would be "are they marketing a big juicy thick perfect looking Big Mac".

My question with Nvidia is NOT "How do they get away with marketing 8k guys?". My question is "are they marketing 8k?". I was looking at your answer/opinion on that.

The moment the 3090 came out, they started marketing 8k. Then they started doubling down on it with the 4090.

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Azza ☠ の投稿を引用：

emoticorpse の投稿を引用：

Convenient you don't want to talk about 8k performance and Nvidia's 8k marketing when you have a 4090. I got it. I was under the wrong impression.




I understand this point, but that isn't the point of this thread. I'll repeat it again though, your point is valid. I say the same thing at times and genuinely believe it. But I'll also point out that because a gamer should appreciate and be happy with a full 1440p experience, doesn't give Nvidia the right to mislead people into thinking a 4090 is a 8k card.

I already stated about the ambiguity of Nvidia's claims (even though Komarimaru helped my case by further specifying Nvidia's details on the performance at 8k). The way I see it, they have "marketed" the 4090 as a 8k card even if it's not 8k/144hz/rtx/ultra settings. My whole point is that by that claim a 4k experience would be easily achievable.

I mean, it says right there in big bold 3d text "8k HDR GAMING" and yet I'm not seeing 4k, but I do see "3840x2160 Resolution" in tiny letters and not even an fps is given in the performance section. All they did was put some bars side by side comparing it to a 3090 ti.



I also feel this helps my case. If 1440p is maxed out and we are "touching now upon 4k" then why is 8k hype bigger on the page than 4k?




In OP's case, he probably is an example of the people you're talking about. But just because he's the one that started the thread and you don't like his take on Nvidia and 4k performance doesn't mean another claim should be swept under the rug. My whole thing started with someone asking where marketed the card as an 4k card and so far I've been putting my answer to that.

Also, I'm not angry about the cards not reaching 4090. I doubt you'll believe this though.

I don't know were you are finding advertising of it being advertised as an 8K or even 4K card?

I assume you are on the offical website product page:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/rtx-4090/

"The NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4090 is the ultimate GeForce GPU. It brings an enormous leap in performance, efficiency, and AI-powered graphics. Experience ultra-high performance gaming, incredibly detailed virtual worlds, unprecedented productivity, and new ways to create. It’s powered by the NVIDIA Ada Lovelace architecture and comes with 24 GB of G6X memory to deliver the ultimate experience for gamers and creators."

NVIDIA Ada Lovelace Architecture
"Ahead of its time, ahead of the game"

New Streaming Multiprocessors
- Up to 2x performance and power efficiency

Fourth-Gen Tensor Cores
- Up to 4x performance with DLSS 3 vs. brute-force rendering

Third-Gen RT Cores
- Up to 2x ray tracing performance

utting-Edge GPUs

NVIDIA Ada Lovelace Architecture

Realistic and Immersive Graphics
- Dedicated Ray Tracing Cores

AI-Accelerated Performance
- NVIDIA DLSS 3

Game-Winning Responsiveness
- NVIDIA Reflex low-latency platform

Built for Live Streaming
- NVIDIA Encoder

AI-Enhanced Voice and Video
- NVIDIA Broadcast

Fast-Track Your Creativity
- NVIDIA Studio

Performance and Reliability
- Game Ready and Studio Drivers

Under performance it shows a comparison of 2-4x more performance with previous generations. That uses 3840x2160 Resolution, Highest Game Settings, DLSS Super Resolution Performance Mode, DLSS Frame Generation on RTX 40 Series, i9-12900K, 32GB RAM, Win 11 x64. All DLSS Frame Generation data and Cyberpunk 2077 with new Ray Tracing: Overdrive Mode based on pre-release builds.

It also shows lower power usage. Average gaming power is measured across 22 games at 4K, 1440p, and 1080p.

Ray Tracing - Hyperrealistic. Hyperfast.
"The Ada architecture unleashes the full glory of ray tracing, which simulates how light behaves in the real world. With the power of RTX 40 Series and third-gen RT Cores, you can experience incredibly detailed virtual worlds like never before."

NVIDIA DLSS 3 - The performance multiplier, powered by AI.
"DLSS is a revolutionary breakthrough in AI-powered graphics that massively boosts performance. Powered by the new fourth-gen Tensor Cores and Optical Flow Accelerator on GeForce RTX 40 Series GPUs, DLSS 3 uses AI to create additional high-quality frames."

Where does it say 4K or 8K?

Oh right, are you talking about the max card resolution supported?

Max Display Resolution: 4K at 240Hz or 8K at 60Hz, with DSC

I see no false advertising, just people's false assumptions...

Scroll about 70% of the way down on the 4090 page to the "Additional Features and Benefits" section. Also, https://youtu.be/51oCaaMCpnQ?t=35 official 4090 Youtube ad if I'm not mistaken. "8k60 game recording" is right there on the screen. Sure it does specify recording and not gaming so I would accept some arguments against this being 8k gaming marketing, but I still think they knew well what they were doing. Especially since 4k is nowhere to be found. You do have a point they're not promoting it as a 4k card only because they're marketing it more as a 8k card, but like I was implying before, if it's an 8k card then it is as 4k card.