Is Nvidia killing PC gaming?

[Citizen Cook]

With the ludicrous pricing of the 4000 series of GPU’s is Nvidia driving gamers away from PC gaming? I ask this because Sony recently said that 50% of PS5 sales are from people who never owned a PS4. So where is this incredible growth coming from? I suspect it might be PC gamers who have given up trying to buy a reasonably priced graphics card and have simply decided to buy a (relatively) cheap console instead.
My theory is that Nvidia saw that people were willing to pay hundreds of dollars more for 30 series cards a few years ago and decided to ‘scalp direct’ to the consumer. What I think they failed to understand is that the people willing to pay those exorbitant prices on sites like ebay weren’t gamers at all but rather cryptominers. Now the cryptomining bubble has burst the market evaporated as well.
Of course, there will always be outliers, people who will choose to pay Nvidia’s markups, but the majority seem to be sitting tight. How will Nvidia respond, will they cut prices or are they banking on the low willpower of the average PC gamer to ride this out? What will you do if prices don’t return to normal, Switch to console gaming or get a second mortgage?

[Citizen Cook]

Yes, consoles have always been cheaper, but GPU's have never cost as much as they do now, and the price gouging from Nividia far outstrips inflation.

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

Citizen Cook님이 먼저 게시:

Yes, consoles have always been cheaper, but GPU's have never cost as much as they do now, and the price gouging from Nividia far outstrips inflation.

Only 40 series is expensive, but buying is completely optional.

You can buy 30 series cards and play games as usual, like noting happened.

[Hunter_M♤cer]

This thread makes me wish that Nvidia loses a lot of money so Graphics cards would be less and all gamers, editors and coders would be happy.

[tonimark]

too bad , well i know , PCs are too expensive and consoles unfortunately use the razor and the blades model (consoles cheap , game expensive) . the thing is gaming as entertainment industry has been on quality decline since 2010s due to the recent crisis(2008 economic crisis covid-19 etc...) and more factors. just before you upgrade have you ever though what was the last time a great PC game came out? maybe elden ring on 2022(and no other in the same year) and other unheard indie titles , the thing is that many big companies have ruined the gaming , EA introduced microtransaction and lootboxes , voodoo mass produces low effort games on the mobile etc... and it seems like many developers both big AAA and indie are jumping on the same wagon , gaming is not a competition for the most quality and well made games anymore but a competition for the most consumers on your game/platform , we saw many F2P P2W games getting released lost ark ,genshine impact,most mobile games etc.. and succeed, and oh boy these F2P scams are way more profitable than the traditional P2P games.So sadly today it is way more profitable to <<abuse>> the consumer for more money (pay to win microtransaction) rather than creating a good game to sell. and so how about NVDIA? well the gaming is just getting a bad hobby and demand for gaming PCs due to the above is now rapidly dropping and the nvidia doesn't find it profitable to mass sell any GPUs anymore as there are barely any good games to take advantage of them and generate sales, nvidia is now moving into the cloud and cryptominers and will soon forget about the gamers.

[Yistaan]

I would not be surprised if Jensen Huang's acting recklessly and metaphorically burning everything down in a fit of rage after losing out on the ARM deal.

[ΜΣ†ΛĿ]

🦜Cloud Boy🦜님이 먼저 게시:

ΜΣ†ΛĿ님이 먼저 게시:

I have been a PC gamer for more than 20 years, I have always built top end gaming rigs with the highest tier GPU and up to 980ti 2 of them for SLI to ensure that I could play the latest games with maxed out graphics no matter what game. I was about to upgrade my PC to a 4090 but could not locate one in stock at MSRP even just missed it a few times when Microcenter showed stock. PC gaming has become very expensive and I would spend roughly $3-$4K every few years for a whole new Build. There is no doubt that PC can achieve better graphics than console. however with the PS5 and Xbox SX that gap is smaller than ever and most games have a performance mode for 60/120 FPS on console. in the end playing on a Giant TV from the couch the graphics difference overall is not that noticable. Most of the time when you're actually playing the game you wouldn't even notice because of how close it is to maxed out PC graphics, I mean put me infront of a monitor and I can nitpick and point out the differences all day. So recently after playing some of the same games I have on PC on a PS5 at a friends house and seeing how good the graphics are I got a PS5 and the PS+ Extra subscription and have been playing games on the PS5 exclusively since then. I'm actually enjoying gaming more than on the PC, and I don't have to lug the PC around to different rooms to play with controller on the couch, and some games not even having PS button prompts. Anyway I have a rtx 3090 & 5800x build that I havent used for gaming since I got the PS5 and I only paid $399 for it + $100 for a year sub to PSPlus. More and more games are just bad console ports, and even FPS games are made for controller 1st. The Optimization for ports has gotten out of hand and alot of new gemes rely on DLSS or some sort of upscaling to hit High FPS.
UP close PC has the edge on graphics, on couch + big TV it almost looks the same and at good framerate.

I was actually contemplating about getting Hogwarts Legacy on PC, but Decided to get it on PS5.
just look at the comparison (video link below) and the PS5 version seems to run smoother, there is visible frame pacing/stutter issue on the PC in some scenes.

I can easily afford to keep upgrading my PC and have the latest and greatest I just don't think it's worth the price and I feel ripped off when the consoles can provide almost the same gaming experience for a tiny fraction of the price and I seem to enjoy it more. I don't think I will be building any gaming PC anytime soon, well at least until Consoles keep providing 60 FPS games ( I know 2 games that came out recently only have a 30 FPS mode) that PS5 Pro Needs to come out soon....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esMKAOtLirw&t=639s

Nobody is forcing you to buy the HIGHEST tier GPU and then complain about how expensive it is. You said that console is better than PC because console is cheaper, but, you can get the SAME experience in PC with much cheaper price as well. Buy mid-range hardware like 3060Ti and Ryzen 5600x, there you go, this PC can run any games better than any consoles in the current market.

'90 tier cards are NEW addition. Nvidia added 90 series cards like RTX 3090 or 4090 on top of the already existing lineup for enthusiasts who want extra performance with massive amounts of memory, it is equivalent to old TITAN line of cards which started at $2000+.

You will be perfectly HAPPY with a PC something like RTX 3080 ($700) and a CPU like Ryzen 5700x ($190), It will be way better than any consoles ever created.

No where did I say the Console is better than PC because it's cheaper.
I didn't complain about he price of highest end hardware either I simply pointed out it feels like a ripoff for what you are getting honestly the mid range hardware is the most overpriced since the highest tier actually has good performance mid tier you are getting pathetically low amounts of vram that is not enough for modern games & cut down memory bus and bandwidth the price is for 80 series GPU's but they are giving you 70/60 series GPU with a sticker that says 4080.

That is the main point, even if you buy a mid range PC you will spend alot more than a console costs and you will not reallly be getting a much better gaming experiance. in fact you can argue that a console will provide a smoother more enjoyable gaming experience since you just play instead of fiddling with settings and trying to optimize the game to be playable on your hardware, doing ini tweaks updating drivers, etc. etc. playing some and getting to a level where performance drops below 60, going back into settings and tweaking some more LOL..
The end result.... It almost looks exactly the same as the console and it doesn't make the game any more enjoyable because its running on a PC. the graphics fidelity and performence on PS5 and XboxSX is more than acceptable and most people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference if they were side by side. also the majority of new and future games will be optimized for console because developers are more focused on where the majority of the playerbase (money) is so they will make sure is runs good on the console and for the PC they can just slap in requirements that say 32gb of ram 24gb of vram recommended spec for 1440p/60...

The 90 series is no Titan I had 2 titan builds. they were SLI and used as workstations that I played some games on too. These GPU's had ECC memory too and had more use in the professional market than the 90 series which is a gaming GPU.
90 series was made for profit to add another sku and insert more price brackets for the differen't gpu's, a 90 series GPU is really an 80 series GPU a cut down version of the full die. The 90ti (full die) will come out a few months before it becomes absolete and is outperformed by a new architecture. so now that they made people think that a 90 series is this monster GPU they propose the 80 series for a small reduction of the price, except the price decrease doesn't match the performance decrease compared to the 90 series especially in 4K because they are selling you a 70 series gpu with a 256 bit bus, don't even get me started on the one they tried calling 12gb 4080 which is a 4060/50 class GPU with a 192 bit bus. these GPU's are too weak for 4K and barely good enough for 1440p and have borderline too little vram to handle modern games In order to keep up with the latest games and upgrade will be required in a year or 2 while the console will still be chugging along.
Yes to save some money you can get 5600x as you mentioned an cheap ram, however there are many games that these lower core CPU's are bottlenecks one example is cyberpunk 2077. I build a 5600x and 3200mhz cl18 ram for my nephew and tested it's performance on a few games. one example is cyberpunk 2077. I have a save file that is in a location on the map that is very CPU limited my rtx3090 5800x, 3600mhz cl14 rig drops to high 50's in that area. and the 5600x rig drops into the 30's in that same spot while using the same 3090. there are other games where that CPU can't hit the 144fps for the 144hz monitor. for example bf2042, mw2 2022 as a few examples. you see alot of complaints from PC games with low end CPU's, slwow ram and monster GPU complaining that the FPS is the same on low and Ultra settings.

In the end everyone has a choice to play games on whatever platform they want. there are pros and cons to both, but the difference between PC and Console playing modern games is smaller than ever. the price of a decent gaming PC is definitely going to sway people towards console gaming, GPU prices are insane and you are required to upgrade every 2 or so years to keep up with current games. like it or not Console has overtaken PC gaming and I think that less and less people are going to be gaming on PC and buying consoles instead as the shortage ends (you can walk into almost any electronics store nowdays and find the PS5 & Xbox SX in stock) not the case with rtx 4090, and AMD themeselves said they undershipped their GPU's to keep demand and prices high.

So yea Console gaming is really not any better or worse than PC gaming, same experience for a fraction of the cost.

[Citizen Cook]

🦜Cloud Boy🦜님이 먼저 게시:

Citizen Cook님이 먼저 게시:

Yes, consoles have always been cheaper, but GPU's have never cost as much as they do now, and the price gouging from Nividia far outstrips inflation.

Only 40 series is expensive, but buying is completely optional.

You can buy 30 series cards and play games as usual, like noting happened.

Yes, let’s only buy 30 series cards until the end of time. What a fantastic solution. And the argument of “you don’t have buy” is frankly pathetic.
So if we all don’t buy Nvidia cards where does that leave things? As I said, they are killing PC gaming.

[Tiberius]

Citizen Cook님이 먼저 게시:

🦜Cloud Boy🦜님이 먼저 게시:

Only 40 series is expensive, but buying is completely optional.

You can buy 30 series cards and play games as usual, like noting happened.

Yes, let’s only buy 30 series cards until the end of time. What a fantastic solution. And the argument of “you don’t have buy” is frankly pathetic.
So if we all don’t buy Nvidia cards where does that leave things? As I said, they are killing PC gaming.

Hogwarts Legacy

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
MINIMUM:
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 4GB or AMD Radeon RX 470 4GB


Nothing will change

[Citizen Cook]

Tiberius님이 먼저 게시:

Citizen Cook님이 먼저 게시:

Yes, let’s only buy 30 series cards until the end of time. What a fantastic solution. And the argument of “you don’t have buy” is frankly pathetic.
So if we all don’t buy Nvidia cards where does that leave things? As I said, they are killing PC gaming.

Hogwarts Legacy

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
MINIMUM:
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 4GB or AMD Radeon RX 470 4GB


Nothing will change

Because absolutely no game requires are higher gpu on stream right, or ever will?

[Tiberius]

Citizen Cook님이 먼저 게시:

Tiberius님이 먼저 게시:

Hogwarts Legacy

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
MINIMUM:
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 4GB or AMD Radeon RX 470 4GB


Nothing will change

Because absolutely no game requires are higher gpu on stream right, or ever will?

Like what?

[It's Chase]

Maybe, but people are definitely still buying them. I bought a 4090 a couple months ago since it was the only card with the best price to performance, and I was building a new PC at the time.

My friend just picked up a 4070ti to replace his old 3060. He paid around $900 which I think is MSRP.

To be honest I don't see it as much of a big deal. If you want a cheaper more budget card, AMD seems to be the way to go now.

[Citizen Cook]

Tiberius님이 먼저 게시:

Citizen Cook님이 먼저 게시:

Because absolutely no game requires are higher gpu on stream right, or ever will?

Like what?

Stop trolling.

[Citizen Cook]

It's Chase님이 먼저 게시:

Maybe, but people are definitely still buying them. I bought a 4090 a couple months ago since it was the only card with the best price to performance, and I was building a new PC at the time.

My friend just picked up a 4070ti to replace his old 3060. He paid around $900 which I think is MSRP.

To be honest I don't see it as much of a big deal. If you want a cheaper more budget card, AMD seems to be the way to go now.

There will always be someone who will buy anything, but Nvidia’s sales are in the toilet. So clearly many are not willing to pay Nvidia’s greed tax.

[ΜΣ†ΛĿ]

Tiberius님이 먼저 게시:

Citizen Cook님이 먼저 게시:

Yes, let’s only buy 30 series cards until the end of time. What a fantastic solution. And the argument of “you don’t have buy” is frankly pathetic.
So if we all don’t buy Nvidia cards where does that leave things? As I said, they are killing PC gaming.

Hogwarts Legacy

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
MINIMUM:
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 4GB or AMD Radeon RX 470 4GB


Nothing will change

That's for 720p lowest settings & 30 fps. if it even runs on that...

Just take a look at the Hogwarts forum. To run the game at a decent resolution (1440p) and high settings you need a GPU with more than 10GB even 3080's are not good enough because they run out of vram and are using a pagefile while stuttering uncontrollably, not to mention you need 32gb of ram because 16gb is not enough, and again pagefile causing stuttering. In addition to that it has ray tracing and If you want it on you need to at least have dlss quality enabled (960p), unless of course you have either the 4080 (aka 4090) or the 4080 16gb (aka 4070) then you can probably play at 1440p native. Also ray tracing consumes gobs of vram so I would suggest anyone buying a GPU for the newest games get at least 16gb vram.

My 3090 is barely enough for 1440p gaming, and most new games need to be run with DLSS to have smooth framerate (75 min.) and high settings

[Tiberius]

Some ppl like to play games, some ppl like to see benchmark result