Bobalazs 14 ENE 2020 a las 14:04
Windows 7 support has ended
Google chrome will be supported until end of this year, and that is good news for windows 7 users, and possibly is hope for extended steam support.
Última edición por Bobalazs; 15 ENE 2020 a las 14:21
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Dr.Shadowds 🐉 20 ENE 2020 a las 8:05 
Odd, I don't remember having to constant format across any of the Windows OS, unless I encounter an issue I couldn't fix at all, and I have encounter issues before where I have reinstall Windows before, across Win 95, Win 98, XP, Vista, 7, and even 10, but that just from my experience, and this was very rare to happen as well for me.

Also I did have games break before on Windows XP, Vista, 7, and 10 in early years of them, but all got patches, bug fixes, and even work arounds for them.
MonkehMaster 20 ENE 2020 a las 12:21 
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:
i dont see why people go around hating on win 7 and why they go around telling people to install spyware 10
Doesn't that work both ways? If people shouldn't go aroung hating on win 7, why are you going around hating on win 10? Or does the world only revolve around your hypocrisy?

im in a thread about win 7, im not running to every spyware 10 thread saying it sucks ect...

so out goes your assumptions of "hypocrisy".

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:
deal with constant formats and games being broken after every update.
Nice BS, but unless people have hardware issues or very outdated drivers, that isn't happening.

You seem to think that the horror stories are everyday business. They're not. But of course they fit your narrative.

i see them everyday, not only in steam forums, but on the net and in my personal life outside of steam, even on the business side of things, so again assume much?

in general dont assume what you dont know, i do my research, i work around computers and i see the things i speak about.

:steamfacepalm:
Última edición por MonkehMaster; 20 ENE 2020 a las 12:21
MonkehMaster 20 ENE 2020 a las 12:23 
Publicado originalmente por bman001001:
Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:

i have never had any problems with win 7, it runs just as good if not better than any spyware 10 installation i have seen, not including all the issues i see people posting about games not running or crashing ect.., (not including all other issues aside from gaming) from people who are using spyware 10.

my rig is well equipped and can easily run spyware 10, i just dont want it on my computer and wouldnt install it on another persons computer either, hopefully they either start supporting win 7 again or something else comes out that is much better than spyware 10, there is always linux but they arent supported very well with gaming in general.

i dont see why people go around hating on win 7 and why they go around telling people to install spyware 10.... because win 7 is "old" and "follow the hype", i would rather run my win 7 with 0 issues then downgrade to spyware 10 and deal with constant formats and games being broken after every update.
you could always downgrade back to windows 98 era...

actually i do happen to have quite a few win 98 disks, pretty sure i have a computer with it installed as well, you can as well get it to run on newer hardware and it runs quite well, as well as xp on newer hardware.

what was the point of your statement?
Última edición por MonkehMaster; 20 ENE 2020 a las 12:23
Crazy Tiger 20 ENE 2020 a las 13:01 
Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Nice BS, but unless people have hardware issues or very outdated drivers, that isn't happening.

You seem to think that the horror stories are everyday business. They're not. But of course they fit your narrative.

i see them everyday, not only in steam forums, but on the net and in my personal life outside of steam, even on the business side of things, so again assume much?

in general dont assume what you dont know, i do my research, i work around computers and i see the things i speak about.

:steamfacepalm:
Same goes for me, yet I rarely come across those horror stories.

I do get people who have issues with every version of Windows because they don't maintain their computer properly, though. But that has nothing to do with Windows, always with the user.
MonkehMaster 20 ENE 2020 a las 13:06 
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:

i see them everyday, not only in steam forums, but on the net and in my personal life outside of steam, even on the business side of things, so again assume much?

in general dont assume what you dont know, i do my research, i work around computers and i see the things i speak about.

:steamfacepalm:
Same goes for me, yet I rarely come across those horror stories.

I do get people who have issues with every version of Windows because they don't maintain their computer properly, though. But that has nothing to do with Windows, always with the user.

users have no control over windows updates and when the update breaks something, that is not the users fault, its also not the users fault that they have to reformat and install fresh to fix windows update fails.

im not seeing where your going with this, cant blame users for everything just because you want too.
Última edición por MonkehMaster; 20 ENE 2020 a las 13:07
Crazy Tiger 20 ENE 2020 a las 13:18 
Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Same goes for me, yet I rarely come across those horror stories.

I do get people who have issues with every version of Windows because they don't maintain their computer properly, though. But that has nothing to do with Windows, always with the user.

users have no control over windows updates and when the update breaks something, that is not the users fault, its also not the users fault that they have to reformat and install fresh to fix windows update fails.

im not seeing where your going with this, cant blame users for everything just because you want too.
Actually, users have more control over the updates than you seem to think. The big updates on Win10 don't push anymore without asking, neither do non-essential updates.

I'm not a big fan of the big updates, but they run without issue when people simply take the time to do them. I've done quite a lot of Win 10 updates for people and I've yet to see the need for a reformat.

I'm sure it happens, as with every Windows. Lets not forget that Win XP had a bad history of updates as well and that Win 7 had reboot loops with updates in the past 2 years (last in December, though I didn't get it on the pc's I've updated for people).

The point is that every Windows version has had issues with updates. But generally speaking, for every Windows the majority of updates goes without hiccup. Which seems to get forgotten when people want to badmouth things they simply don't like.
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 20 ENE 2020 a las 13:19 
Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Same goes for me, yet I rarely come across those horror stories.

I do get people who have issues with every version of Windows because they don't maintain their computer properly, though. But that has nothing to do with Windows, always with the user.

users have no control over windows updates and when the update breaks something, that is not the users fault, its also not the users fault that they have to reformat and install fresh to fix windows update fails.

im not seeing where your going with this, cant blame users for everything just because you want too.
Not always true, sometimes the user can be at fault, and not what you think, it's mainly because what the user did to cause the issue.
Switch to Linux and don't bother the MS EOLs.
ShadowAngel 20 ENE 2020 a las 14:08 
Publicado originalmente por MonkehMaster:
im not seeing where your going with this, cant blame users for everything just because you want too.

The thing is: It's just a small but vocal percentage that has issues and that should make you wonder and think why that is. How come the vast majority has no issues at all?
So far, i had no single Windows Update (and it don't matter if it was XP, 7 or 10) go wrong at all. Never, in nearly 20 years. Same goes for a ton of other people.
Always remember this: If the problems were as widespread as the minority wants you to believe, it would be the majority that is affected and everybody would report it.

It most of the time is the users fault but they never would admit it, because it would make them look bad, so they rather slam a company for their own stupidity.

I've seen that more often than enough. People having 20 tasks running in the background, then complain that everything is slow. Tons of spyware and viruses because they don't care and download anything and so on.
Sadly, a lot of people, gamers especially are very dumb. Hence why they fall for even the dumbest, most obvious scams (just look at around at for example the Rocket League forum and read some scam stories, it's shocking) and those are the same people using the PC, so you can imagine how their PC looks like and how Windows and other programs are installed and what is going on there.
That being said, Windows 7 had a ton of issues as well. Let's not forget the infamous "My PC has UEFI and Windows 7 doesn't boot at all/gives a "no bootable device""-Problem for example.

And as i said: People complained about the newest Windows all the time. Go back and look up some old topics on reddit or elsewhere about how much Windows 7 sucks and go back to 2009 and be amazed at people declaring Windows 7 a piece of crap and how they continue to use XP. The same "I'm gonna use XP till the end of times" was said, just as now suddenly 7 is godlike and will be used till the end. The same was even true when XP dropped and everybody declared 98 superior and better than the "new crap".
People hate change. People hate new things. They can't let go of what they are used to use, because they are basically scared of a new/different experience (even if it isn't different at all)


Publicado originalmente por BR-KuJo Linux 2017:
Switch to Linux and don't bother the MS EOLs.

Linux User = Vegans of the Computer World.
Because all Linux users on Steam do is complain that nothing supports their "Not even 1% market share here on Steam"-OS, how Whine and Proton have issues and how they have nothing to play (most Linux people have what? maybe 100-300 games because nothing works? LOL!)
To quote Alan Parson's Project: "I wouldn't want to be like you"
Última edición por ShadowAngel; 20 ENE 2020 a las 14:11
ChillCore 20 ENE 2020 a las 14:28 
Publicado originalmente por ShadowAngel:
Linux User = Vegans of the Computer World.
Are you saying all windows 10 users are vegans?
https://www.howtogeek.com/424886/windows-10s-linux-kernel-is-now-available/
Cat on Linux 20 ENE 2020 a las 19:06 
Publicado originalmente por ShadowAngel:
Linux User = Vegans of the Computer World.
Because all Linux users on Steam do is complain that nothing supports their "Not even 1% market share here on Steam"-OS, how Whine and Proton have issues and how they have nothing to play (most Linux people have what? maybe 100-300 games because nothing works? LOL!)
To quote Alan Parson's Project: "I wouldn't want to be like you"

look at this windowoze housewife :) I have ~700 games in digital stores including steam, only 1/4 of these games have native Linux ports and other 3/4 works in wine. Except 5-6 games. Yeah, it sucks to be me, having backlog for next 5-10 years, to play from my Linux PC.

I saw no complains from Linux users, but I saw zillion of complains from windowoze peeps who can't run their 10-20 y.o. game from windows 10. you guys cry a river and trow tantrums under every old game, lowering its review score just because you're too retarded too make your old games working with windows 10.
Última edición por Cat on Linux; 20 ENE 2020 a las 19:09
MonkehMaster 20 ENE 2020 a las 21:40 
Publicado originalmente por ShadowAngel:

The thing is: It's just a small but vocal percentage that has issues and that should make you wonder and think why that is. How come the vast majority has no issues at all?

not even bothering to read the rest... show me proof that the "vast majority dont have issues".

i see tons of threads not only in the steam community forums and sub forums, but in all the game forums and their sub forums, across the internet and on other game store platforms and videos spread across youtube, i even see tons of streamers on twitch complaining about spyware 10 issues, heck i have seen microsoft developers complain about spyware 10 and go into detail on how spyware 10 works and all the nonsense built into it and all the problems it has.

i will believe everyone else who have proven spyware 10's issues, over your one statement.
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I saw no complains from Linux users, but I saw zillion of complains from windowoze peeps who can't run their 10-20 y.o. game from windows 10. you guys cry a river and trow tantrums under every old game, lowering its review score just because you're too retarded too make your old games working with windows 10.

You're glossing over the fact that Windows 10 does indeed not run any games that are protected by DRM like SecuROM as it won't let you install the necessary driver.
On the other hand there are many games that could run on Windows 10 with the help of additional programs like dgvoodoo. But thats more a problem of Valve and the people selling games that don't run on Windows 10 out of the box.
I still think you as a customer can expect a working product on modern software/hardware if the Steam store page doesn't tell you otherwise. That was the reason why GOG became a thing.

Have you tried to install a Linux distro on a laptop? More often than not your WiFi won't work and people new to GNU\Linux aren't knowledgable enough to get it working.

But that's all missing the point of this discussion. I still think it's a bad move from M$ to ignore the (still) 29% of their userbase still on Windows 7 for their own reasons and thus creating a huge security risk for ALL their users by denying them updates they happily deploy to machines in enterprise or POS environments.
[☥] - CJ - 20 ENE 2020 a las 22:31 
Publicado originalmente por h.barkas:
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I saw no complains from Linux users, but I saw zillion of complains from windowoze peeps who can't run their 10-20 y.o. game from windows 10. you guys cry a river and trow tantrums under every old game, lowering its review score just because you're too retarded too make your old games working with windows 10.

You're glossing over the fact that Windows 10 does indeed not run any games that are protected by DRM like SecuROM as it won't let you install the necessary driver.
On the other hand there are many games that could run on Windows 10 with the help of additional programs like dgvoodoo. But thats more a problem of Valve and the people selling games that don't run on Windows 10 out of the box.
I still think you as a customer can expect a working product on modern software/hardware if the Steam store page doesn't tell you otherwise. That was the reason why GOG became a thing.

Have you tried to install a Linux distro on a laptop? More often than not your WiFi won't work and people new to GNU\Linux aren't knowledgable enough to get it working.

But that's all missing the point of this discussion. I still think it's a bad move from M$ to ignore the (still) 29% of their userbase still on Windows 7 for their own reasons and thus creating a huge security risk for ALL their users by denying them updates they happily deploy to machines in enterprise or POS environments.

Win7 will still get "Major" Security updates like previous OS's have for a time.. Its just enhancements and normal updates will no longer be provided.
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