RTX 4070 TI 4k medium settings results and future proofing

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i am someone who usually buys 70 series GPU's and currently still own 2070 Super with i7 8700k believe it or not it can run games at 1440p at medium settings in most games such as ARK survival evolved / call of duty / CSGO / FFXIV / GTA 5 120-200 fps average on all games some even higher. I skilled 30 series GPU's on purpose and i was waiting for 4070 TI but it seems to be a huge dissapointment . Now im waiting for ARK 2 which would be out this year and i know its a very demanding game.

(note : ill be building a new PC for the new GPU with i9 and nvme ssd with 32 gb of ram dual channel)
My question is would be a smart decision to wait for next years GPU release from NVIDIA or just get 4080 when its on sale ? my main goal is run games at 140+ fps at 4k at medium settings i never usually run high or epic sometimes mix and match. or is 4070 TI decent at 4k medium settings ?

if my current system already runs games at 1440p for last 2-3 years at 150-200 fps whats the point of that GPU ? is it just better for me to wait till next gen ? ive been a loyal customer to Intel and NVIDIA when it comes to builds and even when i built 100+ pcs for my friends irl i also always advised intel over amd and nvidia over amd . I just dont know when to TIME my build so i can make it last for 4-5 years atleast.

[Illusion of Progress]

引用自 8==========D：

if my current system already runs games at 1440p for last 2-3 years at 150-200 fps whats the point of that GPU ?

Good question.

Upgrade when you want more performance. If that's now, upgrade now. If not, upgrade when that occurs. You make the most of something by using it as long as it naturally works, and you'll only have better options/make a bigger jump by doing that too. If you wait until the game you're next anticipating releases, you'll probably not be in a worse spot than now.

I don't think the RTX 4070 Ti or the RTX 4080 are good options, as they are mid-range chips renamed to command higher prices, but if you're shoehorning yourself into nVidia, those are your options. On the other hand, I don't think you'll have any real new options soon because the RTX 4060 Ti, I mean RTX 4080 12 GB, I mean RTX 4070 Ti is already out, so that one can't be refreshed unless they start doing Supers or whatever again. There is the obvious RTX 4080 Ti with the ridiculously large performance gap left between the RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 (probably because the latter is an RTX 4070) but no idea what that will cost, if it will push the normal RTX 4080 price down, or when it will come.

The next generation is likely roughly two years away.

引用自 8==========D：

ive been a loyal customer to Intel and NVIDIA when it comes to builds and even when i built 100+ pcs for my friends irl i also always advised intel over amd and nvidia over amd . I just dont know when to TIME my build so i can make it last for 4-5 years atleast.

I've become loyal to whoever offers the best option.

I've had Intel since my Athlon 64, going with a Core 2 after and then the ridiculously good 2500K that lasted around a decade and was a far more appealing option to me than the Phenoms at the time, but the 3700X was a better deal than the 10700K a couple years ago so I went with it.

I've never rechnically had an AMD GPU (since they were called ATI last time I had anything other than nVidia), but likewise, a combination of unappealing options, worse value (unless you want ray tracing, which I don't), and some issues with drivers is pushing my next upgrade to likely be AMD, but I'll decide for sure only on the day I make the purchase. I like nVidia's hardware and I'm familiar with them, but I'm not loyal to any company since they definitely aren't loyal to you.

And you'll never know how long something will last. It lasts shorter when you upgrade before needing it, though. As always, hindsight is 20/20.

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引用自 Illusion of Progress：

引用自 8==========D：

if my current system already runs games at 1440p for last 2-3 years at 150-200 fps whats the point of that GPU ?

Good question.

Upgrade when you want more performance. If that's now, upgrade now. If not, upgrade when that occurs. You make the most of something by using it as long as it naturally works, and you'll only have better options/make a bigger jump by doing that too. If you wait until the game you're next anticipating releases, you'll probably not be in a worse spot than now.

I don't think the RTX 4070 Ti or the RTX 4080 are good options, as they are mid-range chips renamed to command higher prices, but if you're shoehorning yourself into nVidia, those are your options. On the other hand, I don't think you'll have any real new options soon because the RTX 4060 Ti, I mean RTX 4080 12 GB, I mean RTX 4070 Ti is already out, so that one can't be refreshed unless they start doing Supers or whatever again. There is the obvious RTX 4080 Ti with the ridiculously large performance gap left between the RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 (probably because the latter is an RTX 4070) but no idea what that will cost, if it will push the normal RTX 4080 price down, or when it will come.

The next generation is likely roughly two years away.

引用自 8==========D：

ive been a loyal customer to Intel and NVIDIA when it comes to builds and even when i built 100+ pcs for my friends irl i also always advised intel over amd and nvidia over amd . I just dont know when to TIME my build so i can make it last for 4-5 years atleast.

I've become loyal to whoever offers the best option.

I've had Intel since my Athlon 64, going with a Core 2 after and then the ridiculously good 2500K that lasted around a decade and was a far more appealing option to me than the Phenoms at the time, but the 3700X was a better deal than the 10700K a couple years ago so I went with it.

I've never rechnically had an AMD GPU (since they were called ATI last time I had anything other than nVidia), but likewise, a combination of unappealing options, worse value (unless you want ray tracing, which I don't), and some issues with drivers is pushing my next upgrade to likely be AMD, but I'll decide for sure only on the day I make the purchase. I like nVidia's hardware and I'm familiar with them, but I'm not loyal to any company since they definitely aren't loyal to you.

And you'll never know how long something will last. It lasts shorter when you upgrade before needing it, though. As always, hindsight is 20/20.

what i was hoping was 4070 TI to be able to run ALL games at 4k atleast at medium settings with 140-200 fps atleast ... but it cant and im scared when ARK 2 and GTA 6 comes out ill be spending another 2000$ canadian to run everything at decent fps... my 2070 super already runs games at 1440p medium settings

[Illusion of Progress]

If your RTX 2070 Super is meeting your criteria for now, then I think the most beneficial thing to do is to stay with it until the first of either Ark 2 or Grand theft Auto VI release. When that happens, you should hopefully be able to gather enough information to get a rough estimate of things for at least one of the titles. While I'm not super hopeful the RTX 4070 Ti or RTX 4080 will see meaningful price drops soon, there is the chance they could, and I certainly don't see them going up in price at any rate. Between that and not being sure what those titles will need, you really stand to benefit more than not if you stick with your RTX 2070 Super for now.

By the way, those sorts of frame rates will likely also need a good CPU, so I see why you're considering a Core i9. Also, the RTX 4080 and RTX 4070 Ti are honestly so cut down from the RTX 4090, even if they are still fast, that it might make sense to pass on chancing the RTX 4070 Ti and maybe just outright consider the RTX 4080 Ti? I'm not sure when those games release though so it might not be out by then. But either way if you're going with a Core i9 and wanting to maintain those sorts of frame rates at 4K (albeit it at medium), I'd do all you can to avoid the risk that what you get falls short. That's why I suggest sticking with the RTX 2070 if it's still sufficing for now.

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As a reference point, when GTA VI releases. a PS 5 or PS 5 Pro (rumoured) will play at 4K without issue. It might be limited to 60fps, but it may be rendered at 1440P and upsampled to 4K 120fps.

The AMD "X3D" processors are very good for big open world games and way better priced than the Intel i9 models.

If you do update to a 4K monitor, realize that you can play at 1440P for those more demanding games.

The new game engine from Epic, Unreal Engine 5.1 is putting the Nvidia RTX 4090 under serious pressure at 4K with the only game currently available - Fortnight.

The new Nvidia and AMD cards that have come to market need a series price cut. The big majority of buyers are not going to pay these prices after the last two years of silly price gouging.

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OP, for the particular games like Call of Duty you mention, I think I recall hearing AMD GPUs really shined in the benchmark test results on Linus Tech Tips. You might want to go with the AMD 7900 XT (or whatever it's called) instead of the 4070 Ti. It gives you more frames per dollar assuming you aren't playing with ray tracing & DLSS, has a lot of VRAM desirable for 4K gaming, and AMD has been making better and better stuff these days as we see with how they basically just spanked Intel hard in the CPU area lmao.

And the 4070 Ti (and NVIDIA's shady business practices) have been widely condemned lately by gaming benchmark review channels, I think particularly surrounding some kind of controversy involving the RTX 4080 and the RTX 4070 Ti, but I don't recall exactly.

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Nothing wrong with hovering around 60-90 FPS range as long as it's not dipping below 50-60 range

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引用自 Illusion of Progress：

If your RTX 2070 Super is meeting your criteria for now, then I think the most beneficial thing to do is to stay with it until the first of either Ark 2 or Grand theft Auto VI release. When that happens, you should hopefully be able to gather enough information to get a rough estimate of things for at least one of the titles. While I'm not super hopeful the RTX 4070 Ti or RTX 4080 will see meaningful price drops soon, there is the chance they could, and I certainly don't see them going up in price at any rate. Between that and not being sure what those titles will need, you really stand to benefit more than not if you stick with your RTX 2070 Super for now.

By the way, those sorts of frame rates will likely also need a good CPU, so I see why you're considering a Core i9. Also, the RTX 4080 and RTX 4070 Ti are honestly so cut down from the RTX 4090, even if they are still fast, that it might make sense to pass on chancing the RTX 4070 Ti and maybe just outright consider the RTX 4080 Ti? I'm not sure when those games release though so it might not be out by then. But either way if you're going with a Core i9 and wanting to maintain those sorts of frame rates at 4K (albeit it at medium), I'd do all you can to avoid the risk that what you get falls short. That's why I suggest sticking with the RTX 2070 if it's still sufficing for now.

my pc definitely is good enough for now and thanks for the honest suggestion thats what i was looking for . I do think itll end up me buying either 4080 TI or 4090 for what im trying to do and the main reason i always avoided those GPU's is simply because of how overpriced they are. i come from a generation where gaming in 480p in cs 1.6 or css was good enough to see all details so running games currently at 1440p is already decent with my 2070 super so ill wait and see benchmarks for those games then move on to whatevers best

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引用自 hackintoshchap：

As a reference point, when GTA VI releases. a PS 5 or PS 5 Pro (rumoured) will play at 4K without issue. It might be limited to 60fps, but it may be rendered at 1440P and upsampled to 4K 120fps.

The AMD "X3D" processors are very good for big open world games and way better priced than the Intel i9 models.

If you do update to a 4K monitor, realize that you can play at 1440P for those more demanding games.

The new game engine from Epic, Unreal Engine 5.1 is putting the Nvidia RTX 4090 under serious pressure at 4K with the only game currently available - Fortnight.

The new Nvidia and AMD cards that have come to market need a series price cut. The big majority of buyers are not going to pay these prices after the last two years of silly price gouging.

thats why before the 70 series was a good balance GPU to run games at medium settings and get 120+ fps now the 4090 and 4080 cost so much that i just dont want to spend that much money of a whole PC build just on a graphics card while it doesnt even deliver 4k 120 fps stable in all games... what a greedy corporation there was a time 70 series was 400$ and it could run everything at good frames for 2-3 years

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引用自 temps：

OP, for the particular games like Call of Duty you mention, I think I recall hearing AMD GPUs really shined in the benchmark test results on Linus Tech Tips. You might want to go with the AMD 7900 XT (or whatever it's called) instead of the 4070 Ti. It gives you more frames per dollar assuming you aren't playing with ray tracing & DLSS, has a lot of VRAM desirable for 4K gaming, and AMD has been making better and better stuff these days as we see with how they basically just spanked Intel hard in the CPU area lmao.

And the 4070 Ti (and NVIDIA's shady business practices) have been widely condemned lately by gaming benchmark review channels, I think particularly surrounding some kind of controversy involving the RTX 4080 and the RTX 4070 Ti, but I don't recall exactly.

i dont play call of duty but its a good reference point .I play ARK , GTA , CSGO ( which is CPU intensive and require fast refresh rate with high fps to be competitive ), R6S , FFXIV and im already playing at 1440p with decent fps and some other RTG games but i wanna be able to get atleast stable 120 + fps at 4k in medium settings which even a 4080 cant do still.. while the price is hugely overpriced..

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引用自 Illusion of Progress：

Good question.

Upgrade when you want more performance. If that's now, upgrade now. If not, upgrade when that occurs. You make the most of something by using it as long as it naturally works, and you'll only have better options/make a bigger jump by doing that too. If you wait until the game you're next anticipating releases, you'll probably not be in a worse spot than now.

I don't think the RTX 4070 Ti or the RTX 4080 are good options, as they are mid-range chips renamed to command higher prices, but if you're shoehorning yourself into nVidia, those are your options. On the other hand, I don't think you'll have any real new options soon because the RTX 4060 Ti, I mean RTX 4080 12 GB, I mean RTX 4070 Ti is already out, so that one can't be refreshed unless they start doing Supers or whatever again. There is the obvious RTX 4080 Ti with the ridiculously large performance gap left between the RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 (probably because the latter is an RTX 4070) but no idea what that will cost, if it will push the normal RTX 4080 price down, or when it will come.

The next generation is likely roughly two years away.

I've become loyal to whoever offers the best option.

I've had Intel since my Athlon 64, going with a Core 2 after and then the ridiculously good 2500K that lasted around a decade and was a far more appealing option to me than the Phenoms at the time, but the 3700X was a better deal than the 10700K a couple years ago so I went with it.

I've never rechnically had an AMD GPU (since they were called ATI last time I had anything other than nVidia), but likewise, a combination of unappealing options, worse value (unless you want ray tracing, which I don't), and some issues with drivers is pushing my next upgrade to likely be AMD, but I'll decide for sure only on the day I make the purchase. I like nVidia's hardware and I'm familiar with them, but I'm not loyal to any company since they definitely aren't loyal to you.

And you'll never know how long something will last. It lasts shorter when you upgrade before needing it, though. As always, hindsight is 20/20.

what i was hoping was 4070 TI to be able to run ALL games at 4k atleast at medium settings with 140-200 fps atleast ... but it cant and im scared when ARK 2 and GTA 6 comes out ill be spending another 2000$ canadian to run everything at decent fps... my 2070 super already runs games at 1440p medium settings

I am only speculating but I feel like a 4070 ti would be at 4k what your 2070 Super is at 1440p. If you want more guaranteed performance go for a 7900 xt or a more expensive Nvidia card.

I myself have a 2070 (non super) and am set on getting either a 4070 ti or 7900 xt for guaranteed 1440p performance (moving up from 1080p)

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引用自 emoticorpse：

引用自 8==========D：

what i was hoping was 4070 TI to be able to run ALL games at 4k atleast at medium settings with 140-200 fps atleast ... but it cant and im scared when ARK 2 and GTA 6 comes out ill be spending another 2000$ canadian to run everything at decent fps... my 2070 super already runs games at 1440p medium settings

I am only speculating but I feel like a 4070 ti would be at 4k what your 2070 Super is at 1440p. If you want more guaranteed performance go for a 7900 xt or a more expensive Nvidia card.

I myself have a 2070 (non super) and am set on getting either a 4070 ti or 7900 xt for guaranteed 1440p performance (moving up from 1080p)

my super does deliver 150+ fps on 1440p on almost all the games with medium and a mixture of high with 1 or 2 low settings in all of the games i mentioned for last 3 years . I really was hoping maybe 3-4 years later the 40 series cards will be stable 4k 120 fps without an issue. Now the prices are insanely high and it cant do basic 120 fps at medium or low settings in 4k .. its just a huge disappointment

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

You upgrade when your current stuff is PITA. Or when you see a really good offer on the table that is affordable and blows your mind. With no mights and maybes and speculation.

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引用自 8==========D：

引用自 emoticorpse：

I am only speculating but I feel like a 4070 ti would be at 4k what your 2070 Super is at 1440p. If you want more guaranteed performance go for a 7900 xt or a more expensive Nvidia card.

I myself have a 2070 (non super) and am set on getting either a 4070 ti or 7900 xt for guaranteed 1440p performance (moving up from 1080p)

my super does deliver 150+ fps on 1440p on almost all the games with medium and a mixture of high with 1 or 2 low settings in all of the games i mentioned for last 3 years . I really was hoping maybe 3-4 years later the 40 series cards will be stable 4k 120 fps without an issue. Now the prices are insanely high and it cant do basic 120 fps at medium or low settings in 4k .. its just a huge disappointment

I hear that. A lot of my old games could probably run great at that resolution and fps. The problem is that people measure by these sorry triple games that run like snot with even high end hardware. So which are you measuring by? If you mean old games then you are probably right. If you mean newer games that expect you to have a 6090 ti just to hit 120 fps then I'm thinking you will need a faster card or really probably won't be a card to run them at 4k fps for another 20 years or never.