Ryzen 7 5800X / RX 7900 XTX Bottlenecked!

[Larry]

I need help in identifying what's bottlenecking my system.

I'm scratching my head here wondering how hardware benchmarks are getting 200+ FPS in games at 1440p on the 7900XTX while I'm struggling to get 150 at 1080p with similar specs and settings.

For one, the likes of Hardware Unboxed are getting an average FPS of 260(DX11) @1440p in the likes of The Witcher 3 meanwhile I'm getting 120-150FPS max at 1080p. This is similar in Metro Exodus.

https://youtu.be/dnxXT2sx8nA?t=355 The above video shows they're using ultra quality settings in DX11 and getting these kind of frames. It's blowing my mind.

Hardware Unboxed setup:

RX 7900 XTX
Ryzen 7 5800X3D(Stock?)
32GB 3200Mhz CL14 DDR4 RAM
MSI MPG X570 Carbon Max Wifi

My Specs:

RX 7900 XTX
Ryzen 7 5800X ~ Stock
32GB Dual Channel Dual Rank 3000Mhz CL14 DDR4 RAM
MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus
Corsair 850W Platinum rated PSU

What's bottlenecking me here? I don't understand. The 5800X3D is the better CPU in terms of gaming but not 100+% better. The RAM also couldn't account for over 100% performance difference could it?

I will note that checking into this yesterday I found I did not have XMP/A-OMP(Whatever the AMD equivalent is called) enabled, turning this on resulted in my FPS increasing by 60FPS(From 60-70fps in built up areas to 110~) as my RAM was only clocking at 2400Mhz as opposed to the 3000Mhz it should have been clocked at.

I've also double checked to make sure my GPU is plugged into PCIe x16 slot and not the slower PCIe slot. I also double checked my RAM is in the correct slots(Apparently it is; A2 + B2).

This is driving me nuts!

[Illusion of Progress]

İlk olarak Larry tarafından gönderildi:

What's odd for me is both my CPU and GPU don't reach anywhere near 100% utilization in the games I'm under performing in. Usually my CPU is around 40% utilization while my GPU is 60-80%?

Overall CPU utilization is meaningless. Games aren't perfectly parallelized so on any CPU with multiple cores, overall utilization loses more and more meaning the more cores/threads the CPU has. You need to look at per core utilization. Just a single core at 100% can be a CPU limitation. The problem is, even this isn't fool proof. Sometimes Windows will shuffle the load a bit in a way that makes it appear no core is limited but it might be.

It's not always easy to identify but the rule of thumb is this.

Is the GPU at 100%? Yes? GPU bottleneck. No? System bottleneck.

The third possible one is a frame rate limiter (either outright, or v-sync) is reached, and neither the CPU or GPU are going to work near their limit then.

For reference, here's two examples of a CPU bottleneck.

https://imgur.com/a/G0iGjBj

Overall utilization is nowhere near 100%, let alone even the 40% to 60% you state. Yet that IS two moments of a CPU bottleneck.

Some games are just CPU heavy. And in those games, a 5800X3D won't necessarily be comparable to your 5800X.

İlk olarak Larry tarafından gönderildi:

What's REALLY weird is when playing Warhammer 40,000: Darktide I'm getting around 90-115 fps(Which is around the average for Hardware Unboxed at 1440p) BUT if I turn FSR 2.0 "Ultra Performance" on the image quality is noticably worse however the performance is the EXACT SAME. I get no performance uplift with FSR 2.0 on??? And again, CPU utilitzation is below 40% while GPU utilization is 60%... That ain't right.

That 100% lines up with behavior of a CPU bottleneck. Lightening the demand on the GPU and gaining no performance is a tale as old as time and is 100% an indicator of a CPU limitation (or more accurately, system limitation since it might not be the CPU proper, but it often is). That scenario can only happen if the GPU wasn't the bottleneck to begin with.

İlk olarak Larry tarafından gönderildi:

Sorry guys, I'm flat out not buying that 1080p is bottlenecking me here(It doesn't even make sense!). I'm not about to spend 300-400 on a 1440p monitor just to come back and say my computer is underperforming compared to where it should be.

And you shouldn't accept that because as I said, a higher resolution will not improve performance for you. It can't. If the CPU is already running to its limit then a higher resolution won't change that. For the most part (exceptions DO exist so this can vary depending on the game and how it renders, but they are the exception and not the rule), the resolution (all else being equal, including aspect ratio) is often an irrelevant factor for CPUs.

İlk olarak Larry tarafından gönderildi:

There has to be something else going on here. Either it's the RAM speed that's heavily impacted my performance or there's something wrong with this GPU/CPU combo.

Faster RAM may help but probably not by as much as you're thinking you have a deficit by. 3,200 MHz RAM means your Infinity Fabric is running at 1,600 MHz instead of 1,800MHz or a bit above that it will typically run at on Zen 2 and Zen 3 CPUs, but that won't make MUCH difference for the most part.

There's unlikely to be something "wrong" with your combination of CPU and GPU. I've already explained this but you're doing what someone else on the forum is infamous for. You're comparing your results to other results without being able to "control the variables". You CAN NOT just go "I have close enough to the same two parts so what explains my different results?". For one, and this is actually a major one, your 5800X is NOT comparable to the 5800X3D. Full stop. The 5800X3D is a WILDLY inconsistent product that sometimes performs in line with the base 5800X, but sometimes MUCH higher. This one thing likely explains a lot of the difference. The rest is the combination of the variables you CAN NOT be sure of which may be where the rest of the difference lays. CPU boosting differently, motherboard, motherboard BIOS, RAM, OS version and updates, drivers, game settings, etc., etc., etc. these ALL can and do matter.

The TL:DR is basically "your system is fine, but the difference in performance you're seeing compared to what you're comparing to likely comes down to the CPU difference, maybe RAM, and the rest being a combination of the additional other uncontrolled variables of which there are many possible ones". Your resolution though IS NOT one. While you will see CPU limitations as opposed to GPU limitations more at 1080p compared to 1440p, yes, but you won't get less literal FPS at a lower resolution than a higher one. If you're okay with the performance you have, then you have no problems with your system.

[Larry]

My CPU core 0 is at around 90% while in game but I don't understand. I'm still getting around 90-100fps.

I do not get how I can get 100fps with a 5800X at 1080p and a high end GPU when there are benchmarks out there like the one below; last game is The Witcher 3 with a 5800X at 1080p getting 200-220fps in Novigrad. I ran this exact route and got nowhere near these frames.

https://youtu.be/iNcJ0GuJCpw?t=470

It blows my mind. My core clocks are at 4700Mhz(Just like in the benchmark). I ran the exact same route as this guy with the same settings!

The only difference is my RAM but that can't make for a 100FPS difference. Updates to the game can't account for a 100fps loss.

There is clearly some sort of issue going on here. It's serious enough that I'm getting a 100FPS loss. That's not something minor there's something big happening here.

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İlk olarak Cathulhu tarafından gönderildi:

Is AMD Resizable BAR activated in the BIOS?

isn't the performance gain from using that only like 10-20% at most? seems like that could not account for the large difference in FPS the OP is talking about

op... maybe you have a virus or malware or something that's eating up system resources?

I'm at such a loss I have to wonder if this is actually the case if something is eating up my resources to take such a massive hit to performance.

♥♥♥♥ sake, I'm going to have to do a full reformat of my computer just to make sure.

[emoticorpse]

İlk olarak Larry tarafından gönderildi:

My CPU core 0 is at around 90% while in game but I don't understand. I'm still getting around 90-100fps.

I do not get how I can get 100fps with a 5800X at 1080p and a high end GPU when there are benchmarks out there like the one below; last game is The Witcher 3 with a 5800X at 1080p getting 200-220fps in Novigrad. I ran this exact route and got nowhere near these frames.

https://youtu.be/iNcJ0GuJCpw?t=470

It blows my mind. My core clocks are at 4700Mhz(Just like in the benchmark). I ran the exact same route as this guy with the same settings!

The only difference is my RAM but that can't make for a 100FPS difference. Updates to the game can't account for a 100fps loss.

There is clearly some sort of issue going on here. It's serious enough that I'm getting a 100FPS loss. That's not something minor there's something big happening here.

İlk olarak temps tarafından gönderildi:

isn't the performance gain from using that only like 10-20% at most? seems like that could not account for the large difference in FPS the OP is talking about

op... maybe you have a virus or malware or something that's eating up system resources?

I'm at such a loss I have to wonder if this is actually the case if something is eating up my resources to take such a massive hit to performance.

♥♥♥♥ sake, I'm going to have to do a full reformat of my computer just to make sure.

Zero sympathy from me. You've been told to to a Userbenchmark multiple times and you didn't do it making it harder for anyone to try to help you. Not sure what else there is to do at this point except that and you don't want to do it. I'm not saying it is guaranteed to show us something that will answer your problem directly but it's worth a shot.

Go ahead and format, not sure what else you want us to tell you.

[The Rt Hon. Sir_Sampie]

İlk olarak Larry tarafından gönderildi:

My CPU core 0 is at around 90% while in game but I don't understand. I'm still getting around 90-100fps.

I do not get how I can get 100fps with a 5800X at 1080p and a high end GPU when there are benchmarks out there like the one below; last game is The Witcher 3 with a 5800X at 1080p getting 200-220fps in Novigrad. I ran this exact route and got nowhere near these frames.

https://youtu.be/iNcJ0GuJCpw?t=470

It blows my mind. My core clocks are at 4700Mhz(Just like in the benchmark). I ran the exact same route as this guy with the same settings!

Don't forget that The Witcher 3 had a next gen update recently. The update includes ray tracing, better textures, more detailed objects etc., resulting in a massive performance hit compared to the original.

The dude in the video cranked all the settings to max, if you were to do the same with your system now you are bound to get lower performance due to the graphical improvements added to the game. The video was uploaded 8 months ago!

Core 0 being at 90% shows you that there is definitely a bottleneck here.

[Larry]

İlk olarak emoticorpse tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Larry tarafından gönderildi:

My CPU core 0 is at around 90% while in game but I don't understand. I'm still getting around 90-100fps.

I do not get how I can get 100fps with a 5800X at 1080p and a high end GPU when there are benchmarks out there like the one below; last game is The Witcher 3 with a 5800X at 1080p getting 200-220fps in Novigrad. I ran this exact route and got nowhere near these frames.

https://youtu.be/iNcJ0GuJCpw?t=470

It blows my mind. My core clocks are at 4700Mhz(Just like in the benchmark). I ran the exact same route as this guy with the same settings!

The only difference is my RAM but that can't make for a 100FPS difference. Updates to the game can't account for a 100fps loss.

There is clearly some sort of issue going on here. It's serious enough that I'm getting a 100FPS loss. That's not something minor there's something big happening here.



I'm at such a loss I have to wonder if this is actually the case if something is eating up my resources to take such a massive hit to performance.

♥♥♥♥ sake, I'm going to have to do a full reformat of my computer just to make sure.

Zero sympathy from me. You've been told to to a Userbenchmark multiple times and you didn't do it making it harder for anyone to try to help you. Not sure what else there is to do at this point except that and you don't want to do it. I'm not saying it is guaranteed to show us something that will answer your problem directly but it's worth a shot.

Go ahead and format, not sure what else you want us to tell you.

I did the damn thing and it said my SSD was missing but it gave me a score of 170%(When scrolling down past the slider bars to give you a "Battleship/UFO" score in each area) and said my computer was top 25% of computers with similar specs.

[emoticorpse]

İlk olarak Larry tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak emoticorpse tarafından gönderildi:

Zero sympathy from me. You've been told to to a Userbenchmark multiple times and you didn't do it making it harder for anyone to try to help you. Not sure what else there is to do at this point except that and you don't want to do it. I'm not saying it is guaranteed to show us something that will answer your problem directly but it's worth a shot.

Go ahead and format, not sure what else you want us to tell you.

I did the damn thing and it said my SSD was missing but it gave me a score of 170%(When scrolling down past the slider bars to give you a "Battleship/UFO" score in each area) and said my computer was top 25% of computers with similar specs.

Ok, if you did it I suppose it is my fault for not telling you to paste the link here. Please paste the link here. That's the only way it can help US.

My fault for not being clear. I wasn't telling you to do it just to do it. Not seeing the results doesn't help me/us at all.

I'll try finding your results on my own but not sure if I'll find it.

[Larry]

İlk olarak emoticorpse tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Larry tarafından gönderildi:

I did the damn thing and it said my SSD was missing but it gave me a score of 170%(When scrolling down past the slider bars to give you a "Battleship/UFO" score in each area) and said my computer was top 25% of computers with similar specs.

Ok, if you did it I suppose it is my fault for not telling you to paste the link here. Please paste the link here. That's the only way it can help US.

My fault for not being clear. I wasn't telling you to do it just to do it. Not seeing the results doesn't help me/us at all.

I'll try finding your results on my own but not sure if I'll find it.

UserBenchmarks:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X - 102.8%
GPU: AMD RX 7900-XTX - 215.9%
SSD: Samsung 970 Evo NVMe PCIe M.2 1TB - 240.3%
RAM: Kingston HyperX 3000 C15 2x16GB - 89.2%
MBD: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS (MS-7C37)


There you go.

It won't upload because it keeps saying I'm missing an SSD score which is ironic as it gives my SSD a score of 244.4%.

[emoticorpse]

İlk olarak Larry tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak emoticorpse tarafından gönderildi:

Ok, if you did it I suppose it is my fault for not telling you to paste the link here. Please paste the link here. That's the only way it can help US.

My fault for not being clear. I wasn't telling you to do it just to do it. Not seeing the results doesn't help me/us at all.

I'll try finding your results on my own but not sure if I'll find it.

UserBenchmarks:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X - 102.8%
GPU: AMD RX 7900-XTX - 215.9%
SSD: Samsung 970 Evo NVMe PCIe M.2 1TB - 240.3%
RAM: Kingston HyperX 3000 C15 2x16GB - 89.2%
MBD: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS (MS-7C37)


There you go.

It won't upload because it keeps saying I'm missing an SSD score which is ironic as it gives my SSD a score of 244.4%.

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/58099511 I'm going to guess this one is yours? btw, I asked for the link and I didn't get the link. That says a lot, and I'm not trying to be rude. My instincts are telling me the problem is pebcak.

First off that 1TB drive says 24GB free which is a problem. I'd start by emptying it. If it's in fact yours.

[Supafly]

İlk olarak Larry tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak emoticorpse tarafından gönderildi:

Ok, if you did it I suppose it is my fault for not telling you to paste the link here. Please paste the link here. That's the only way it can help US.

My fault for not being clear. I wasn't telling you to do it just to do it. Not seeing the results doesn't help me/us at all.

I'll try finding your results on my own but not sure if I'll find it.

UserBenchmarks:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X - 102.8%
GPU: AMD RX 7900-XTX - 215.9%
SSD: Samsung 970 Evo NVMe PCIe M.2 1TB - 240.3%
RAM: Kingston HyperX 3000 C15 2x16GB - 89.2%
MBD: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS (MS-7C37)


There you go.

It won't upload because it keeps saying I'm missing an SSD score which is ironic as it gives my SSD a score of 244.4%.

Share the pu[link[/u] like emoticorpse has done in post #53

Also keep in mind if you have the game fully updated and that inculudes all the latest RT andf an stuff you can't be expecting the same performance from a video made 9+ months ago that wouldn't have had RT.

Find out what settings have since been added and/or improved before you compare to an OLD outdated video.

[pasa]

What fps you get at lower/lowest settings?

[Larry]

İlk olarak Supafly tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Larry tarafından gönderildi:

UserBenchmarks:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X - 102.8%
GPU: AMD RX 7900-XTX - 215.9%
SSD: Samsung 970 Evo NVMe PCIe M.2 1TB - 240.3%
RAM: Kingston HyperX 3000 C15 2x16GB - 89.2%
MBD: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS (MS-7C37)


There you go.

It won't upload because it keeps saying I'm missing an SSD score which is ironic as it gives my SSD a score of 244.4%.

Share the pu[link[/u] like emoticorpse has done in post #53

Also keep in mind if you have the game fully updated and that inculudes all the latest RT andf an stuff you can't be expecting the same performance from a video made 9+ months ago that wouldn't have had RT.

Find out what settings have since been added and/or improved before you compare to an OLD outdated video.

There's no RT on, this was tried in DX11 as it's where I get the best performance.

There's clearly something wrong. I'm just going to have to do a fresh reformat and see if that does anything. If not the slowest part is my RAM. Looking at other benchmarks with similar CPUs and GPU's they end up with far better performance however they have better ram(My RAM is quite old).

I'll reformat and run another test(Game then UserBenchmark) and see if it does anything.

[Larry]

İlk olarak pasa tarafından gönderildi:

What fps you get at lower/lowest settings?

130fps lowest settings, 1080p.

125fps lowest settings, 720p.

This is in the same place I get 90fps Ultra(And Ultra+, same performance for me) in the middle of the main city.

Edit: Out in the open world where I get 150FPS Ultra/Ultra+ I am now getting 340fps on lowest settings, 1080p.

[emoticorpse]

Let me put it in terms you might understand. You may be BOTTLENECKED by your lack of drive space on your system.

[Larry]

İlk olarak emoticorpse tarafından gönderildi:

Let me put it in terms you might understand. You may be BOTTLENECKED by your lack of drive space on your system.

I've freed up 500gigs on my drive and it's had no effect.

[emoticorpse]

İlk olarak Larry tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak emoticorpse tarafından gönderildi:

Let me put it in terms you might understand. You may be BOTTLENECKED by your lack of drive space on your system.

I've freed up 500gigs on my drive and it's had no effect.

You run another userbenchmark? Also if you haven't already try installing the NVME drivers from this page https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/internal-ssd/970evo/ and see if it helps anything.