TRethehedgehog 2022 年 12 月 22 日 下午 7:28
Are AMD drivers better now?
I have accidentally made this a Nvidia Vs. AMD drivers war
最後修改者:TRethehedgehog; 2022 年 12 月 25 日 下午 2:35
引用自 Bukov
Yeah was totally not a story blown out of proportion by people like you.
Nvidia runs faster.
Nvidia runs cooler.
Nvidia runs on less power.
Nvidia runs on solid drivers from day 1.
Nvidia runs all applications that you might want to run on your gpu.
AMD is cheap.
All generalizations that mean nothing in reality because all might not be true.

This is exactly the sort of fallacy people fall for. nVidia has a product at the top of the stack that's above AMD's best, and people presume nVidia is better at everything all the way down.

In reality, it's pretty much if you're not after the best performance, of which the RTX 4090 provides, AMD has a better performance for price. Unless you have a reason to go for nVidia (these DO exist, like encoding, professional work, or some situation where nVidia just gives better results), then there's little reason to go for nVidia right now, ESPECIALLY at the low to mid range where MOST people (just not people on these forums) are at.

Power use and heat are variable. Sometimes nVidia is worse and sometimes AMD is here. In reality, again, few people will swing a buying option over this. The evidence is all the nVidia people saying "who cares, I can't even see a real difference in my utility bill" at the time nVidia is worse here.

As for drivers, ohhhhh no honey. I am not going to sit here and say AMD has no issues as I haven't had them since they were ATI. But I can tell you that during the times of my GTX 560 Ti and GTX 1060 6 GB, I've either experienced or seen enough to know nVidia is NOT perfect from day one. For goodness sake, look at the Minecraft reddit or OptiFine reddit or PCMasterRace reddit even and there's enough repeated posts about older versions of Minecraft just visually breaking, either standard or with shaders, because of nVidia's drivers. Anti-aliasing through the control panel hasn't worked right since after 373.06. Resident Evil 2 2019 has (or had) nVidia known issues. Modern Warfare (or whatever Call of Duty is called now, I'm not a fan of it) apparently recently had some. Recent drivers had people complaining about frequencies not dropping under idle situations even with "prefer maximum performance" not chosen. I could go on. So, please, AMD might be worse (not saying they are, just entertaining the idea that they may be) but let's not pretend nVidia is without a plethora of issues too.

By the way, I prefer nVidia hardware-wise.
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UserNotFound 2022 年 12 月 24 日 上午 10:25 
引用自 Crawl
引用自 TRethehedgehog
Yea I also like it when my PC burns because of a slight mistake I made when connecting a single 16pin power connector when installing my 4090.

Maybe you shouldn't be tinkering with electronics if you aren't capable of fully seating a plug and making sure the retention clip is engaged.
Well, a good number of peeps did that, so I guess it means they're all schmucks who should not be tinkering with a completely new connector that's so new, being sure that the connectors are properly seated should NOT have been an issue in the first place. Or, that nVidia had supplied craptastic adapters that were relatively easy to short.

IF something's completely new like the 12VHPWR connectors, one can't be sure if a proper or well seated connection had been made. Unlike the trusty old 6/8pin PCIe connector, I know when I'd properly seated the plug because it's easy to see.

My point is, it's easy to blame or criticize the alleged inadequacies of others behind the keyboard....even I, IF I had gotten the RTX 4090, can't say for sure I'd not make the same mistake, and this from a guy with at least 20 years of building my own rigs.
最後修改者:UserNotFound; 2022 年 12 月 24 日 上午 10:27
Felonious Punk 2022 年 12 月 24 日 上午 10:29 
*beep boop* "engage the retention clip" *whirring noise* *crash*
carl 2022 年 12 月 24 日 上午 10:54 
I'd say AMD drivers are better than they were say two or three years ago and their Radeon software to be quite user friendly with useful features like auto undervolt, chill and now Radeon Super Resolution. Nvidia provide similar features but split between their GEForce Experience and Nvidia control panel and if one is interested in undervolting having to use a third party software like afterburner.

Why I say better now? Because I have an RX 5700 XT which would at random times be a bit problematic but overall none of my other AMD cards have caused me much trouble.
Crawl 2022 年 12 月 24 日 上午 11:43 
引用自 UserNotFound
引用自 Crawl

Maybe you shouldn't be tinkering with electronics if you aren't capable of fully seating a plug and making sure the retention clip is engaged.
Well, a good number of peeps did that, so I guess it means they're all schmucks who should not be tinkering with a completely new connector that's so new, being sure that the connectors are properly seated should NOT have been an issue in the first place. Or, that nVidia had supplied craptastic adapters that were relatively easy to short.

IF something's completely new like the 12VHPWR connectors, one can't be sure if a proper or well seated connection had been made. Unlike the trusty old 6/8pin PCIe connector, I know when I'd properly seated the plug because it's easy to see.

My point is, it's easy to blame or criticize the alleged inadequacies of others behind the keyboard....even I, IF I had gotten the RTX 4090, can't say for sure I'd not make the same mistake, and this from a guy with at least 20 years of building my own rigs.

New or not the 12VHPWR connector has the same retention mechanism as basically every other power cable in your pc. You fully seat the plug and the little hook locks it into place. If you are unsure give the plug a little wiggle and tug, if it backs out it wasn't fully seated. It's not rocket science. The fact that there were only about 50 cases of melted connectors world wide out of hundreds of thousands of units sold would point to the cable not being the issue. The "easy to short" adapter that numerous tech outlets couldn't get to melt even when they specifically tried to isn't the problem, dumb people are.
UserNotFound 2022 年 12 月 24 日 下午 12:04 
引用自 Crawl
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The "easy to short" adapter that numerous tech outlets couldn't get to melt even when they specifically tried to isn't the problem, dumb people are.
Again, I stress that some peeps are so quick to criticize how 'dumb' some peeps are alleged to be, so easy to criticize others while comfortably seated in your chair, in front of your monitor and keyboard, being so cocksure of your own perceived knowledge and ability. Again, mistakes do happen, even to the best of us....or, even to those who think they're the best of us.
最後修改者:UserNotFound; 2022 年 12 月 24 日 下午 12:04
L.o.D. 2022 年 12 月 24 日 下午 12:34 
引用自 Bukov
I mean, on the other hand. AMD hardware is basically broken out of the box. So there's that....

The only issue I had with my RX 6600 XT out of the box was that it wouldn't run my UHD tv's native res. Turns out it was an EDID issue with the tv.
nohuman 2022 年 12 月 24 日 下午 4:07 
引用自 TRethehedgehog
引用自 Bukov
Yeah, I prefer things that work from day 1. Silly me.
Yea I also like it when my PC burns because of a slight mistake I made when connecting a single 16pin power connector when installing my 4090.

Yeah was totally not a story blown out of proportion by people like you.
Nvidia runs faster.
Nvidia runs cooler.
Nvidia runs on less power.
Nvidia runs on solid drivers from day 1.
Nvidia runs all applications that you might want to run on your gpu.
AMD is cheap.
:steamdeadpan:

edit: oh look, more things to think about...
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/341749-amd-investigating-overheating-radeon-7900-reference-boards
最後修改者:nohuman; 2022 年 12 月 24 日 下午 4:46
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Illusion of Progress 2022 年 12 月 24 日 下午 6:49 
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引用自 Bukov
Yeah was totally not a story blown out of proportion by people like you.
Nvidia runs faster.
Nvidia runs cooler.
Nvidia runs on less power.
Nvidia runs on solid drivers from day 1.
Nvidia runs all applications that you might want to run on your gpu.
AMD is cheap.
All generalizations that mean nothing in reality because all might not be true.

This is exactly the sort of fallacy people fall for. nVidia has a product at the top of the stack that's above AMD's best, and people presume nVidia is better at everything all the way down.

In reality, it's pretty much if you're not after the best performance, of which the RTX 4090 provides, AMD has a better performance for price. Unless you have a reason to go for nVidia (these DO exist, like encoding, professional work, or some situation where nVidia just gives better results), then there's little reason to go for nVidia right now, ESPECIALLY at the low to mid range where MOST people (just not people on these forums) are at.

Power use and heat are variable. Sometimes nVidia is worse and sometimes AMD is here. In reality, again, few people will swing a buying option over this. The evidence is all the nVidia people saying "who cares, I can't even see a real difference in my utility bill" at the time nVidia is worse here.

As for drivers, ohhhhh no honey. I am not going to sit here and say AMD has no issues as I haven't had them since they were ATI. But I can tell you that during the times of my GTX 560 Ti and GTX 1060 6 GB, I've either experienced or seen enough to know nVidia is NOT perfect from day one. For goodness sake, look at the Minecraft reddit or OptiFine reddit or PCMasterRace reddit even and there's enough repeated posts about older versions of Minecraft just visually breaking, either standard or with shaders, because of nVidia's drivers. Anti-aliasing through the control panel hasn't worked right since after 373.06. Resident Evil 2 2019 has (or had) nVidia known issues. Modern Warfare (or whatever Call of Duty is called now, I'm not a fan of it) apparently recently had some. Recent drivers had people complaining about frequencies not dropping under idle situations even with "prefer maximum performance" not chosen. I could go on. So, please, AMD might be worse (not saying they are, just entertaining the idea that they may be) but let's not pretend nVidia is without a plethora of issues too.

By the way, I prefer nVidia hardware-wise.
最後修改者:Illusion of Progress; 2022 年 12 月 24 日 下午 6:51
Viking2121 2022 年 12 月 24 日 下午 7:48 
AMD drivers are definitely better than what they use to be, The only real issues I had with my 6800xt was some parts of the driver liek the recording functions would just out right disappear, the only way to bring them back was to DDU in safemode, and AMD if you like to tinker with overclocking, AMD drivers do NOT like to recover properly, sometimes the desktop will come back, but the driver will like reload like 10 times, Or the driver just wont open, or the desktop just doesn't come back, kind of annoying. But normal use, they aren't terrible, not perfect.

Nvidia has their fair share of issues as well, I got a a list of both the the issues my 6800xt had and my current 3080ti has had, The problem with Nvidia though is they don't care to listen to feedback, so if you have a problem related to your setup with their drivers, that problem can hang around for a long time, AMD does seem to take feedback from its community and they do usually improve on it, I just wish AMD would get rid of their clunky gamer style, hard to navigate control panel.
Illusion of Progress 2022 年 12 月 24 日 下午 8:17 
引用自 TRethehedgehog

As for drivers, ohhhhh no honey. I am not going to sit here and say AMD has no issues as I haven't had them since they were ATI. But I can tell you that during the times of my GTX 560 Ti and GTX 1060 6 GB, I've either experienced or seen enough to know nVidia is NOT perfect from day one. For goodness sake, look at the Minecraft reddit or OptiFine reddit or PCMasterRace reddit even and there's enough repeated posts about older versions of Minecraft just visually breaking, either standard or with shaders, because of nVidia's drivers. Anti-aliasing through the control panel hasn't worked right since after 373.06. Resident Evil 2 2019 has (or had) nVidia known issues. Modern Warfare (or whatever Call of Duty is called now, I'm not a fan of it) apparently recently had some. Recent drivers had people complaining about frequencies not dropping under idle situations even with "prefer maximum performance" not chosen. I could go on. So, please, AMD might be worse (not saying they are, just entertaining the idea that they may be) but let's not pretend nVidia is without a plethora of issues too.
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It was exactly what I was thinking when I made this thread
I do appreciate the feedback, but I want to emphasize I have not had recent experiences with AMD GPU hardware nor drivers, and that is what the thread ultimately seemed to be asking about. I can just speak that nVidia's drivers are far from flawless though, and in recent years are sort of getting worse (but they are usually still really good overall... most of the time).

A few others who have commented seemed like they gave "better answers" because they do have recent experience with AMD GPU drivers.
nohuman 2022 年 12 月 25 日 上午 5:11 
引用自 TRethehedgehog

As for drivers, ohhhhh no honey. I am not going to sit here and say AMD has no issues as I haven't had them since they were ATI. But I can tell you that during the times of my GTX 560 Ti and GTX 1060 6 GB, I've either experienced or seen enough to know nVidia is NOT perfect from day one. For goodness sake, look at the Minecraft reddit or OptiFine reddit or PCMasterRace reddit even and there's enough repeated posts about older versions of Minecraft just visually breaking, either standard or with shaders, because of nVidia's drivers. Anti-aliasing through the control panel hasn't worked right since after 373.06. Resident Evil 2 2019 has (or had) nVidia known issues. Modern Warfare (or whatever Call of Duty is called now, I'm not a fan of it) apparently recently had some. Recent drivers had people complaining about frequencies not dropping under idle situations even with "prefer maximum performance" not chosen. I could go on. So, please, AMD might be worse (not saying they are, just entertaining the idea that they may be) but let's not pretend nVidia is without a plethora of issues too.
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It was exactly what I was thinking when I made this thread

Yeah ok. You knew the answer and that's why you made a thread asking the question. lol.

As for the rest, hey, to each their own. I've given my opinion, if you wish to ignore it. You're perfectly free to do so. Mostly what I see in rebuttal is whataboutism's and straight up denial of reality, but if that does it for you, then great. Both of those things are quite popular these days. ;)
UserNotFound 2022 年 12 月 25 日 上午 5:45 
引用自 Bukov
Yeah ok. You knew the answer and that's why you made a thread asking the question. lol.

As for the rest, hey, to each their own. I've given my opinion, if you wish to ignore it. You're perfectly free to do so. Mostly what I see in rebuttal is whataboutism's and straight up denial of reality, but if that does it for you, then great. Both of those things are quite popular these days. ;)
Same can be said of your answer, which is purely negative about AMD drivers, perhaps I'll grant that you may have had bad experience, hence your negativity. Many have had great experience, including myself with AMD driver suite. I use both AMD and nVidia cards, and the UI on AMD Adrenalin control panel is more user friendly to me, with OC'ing tools and OSD monitoring (for nVidia, you'd need MSI AB for such functionalities).

Yes, there'll be some with bad experience, both AMD and nVidia, and I've noticed that for those who've had issues, they can be quite vocal about it. Your comments sounds amicable at a glance, but that part about 'whataboutism's and straight up denial of reality' tells me you're being disingenuous.
最後修改者:UserNotFound; 2022 年 12 月 25 日 上午 5:53
nohuman 2022 年 12 月 25 日 上午 5:56 
lol whatever. The Op asked a general question. "Are AMD drivers good?"

I gave a general answer. "No."

Did they work on day 1? No? Oh they still have issues even now? Ok then, glad we are keeping track.

If you want another "generalised answer" here you go:

"In the last 20+ years, it's been Nvidia #1 and AMD #2. There have been a few exceptions along the way, but overall, that's how the chips fall."

..and this is how it currently stands, as it usually does. There are of course reasons, but OP didn't ask for those. Apparently this entire post was troll bait, as OP himself just admitted. :angrystar2022:
Illusion of Progress 2022 年 12 月 25 日 上午 6:55 
引用自 Bukov
Mostly what I see in rebuttal is whataboutism's and straight up denial of reality
Oh my, where to begin?

The first claim, the bit about whatabout-ism, isn't even applicable to what I said. You implied nVidia has solid drivers throughout, and I was giving just a few examples that they always aren't. Contrasting your claim isn't whatabout-ism.

The second, denying reality, is perhaps being done, but by you. Instead of even considering that I brought examples against your claim, you choose to label it as something it's not to make it easier for you to ignore. Which is kind of confusing, because it's not like what I said couldn't be challenged properly. I don't have experience with AMD's drivers, and admitted as much, so I couldn't "defend them". You had a viable response to merely list examples of your own where you had bad experiences with AMD's drivers (even if that would have been "whatabout-ism" in response my claim, ironically enough), and that would have been answering OP's original question as well if you did so.

OP probably isn't after an nVidia versus AMD discussion for the sole purpose of mocking those who prefer nVidia. OP was asking specifically about opinions on AMD's drivers. Yes, you gave your opinion on that too, but by encompassing it with the narrative that nVidia is near flawless at drivers (they aren't) along with a laundry list of reasons why nVidia is better (some of which also aren't true to the extent you stated), which is simply out of place since the thread wasn't asking for brand preference.
最後修改者:Illusion of Progress; 2022 年 12 月 25 日 上午 6:56
UserNotFound 2022 年 12 月 25 日 上午 7:15 
I saw this in another forum, a guy was experiencing lower than expected performance with his RX 6800 XT, so he'd asked around. He could have easily gone the route of, "This is the last AMD GPU I'd buy!", or" AMD sux!", or "AMD drivers are crap, I'm going with nVidia next time!", or "I should have gone with nVidia!".

I'm sure certain posters here would gleefully encourage that line of thought. But instead of blaming AMD and their 'crap' driver, he'd asked around, and someone suggested the he reset the BIOS setting, and he did, he'd also tweaked the BIOS setting (he'd admitted he'd messed with it previously) and hey Presto! His card is performing as should! It's good to see that some are actually asking around for solution, instead of jumping on a certain "AMD Sux" bandwagon.
最後修改者:UserNotFound; 2022 年 12 月 25 日 上午 7:58
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