Nvidia 3060 8 GB scam

[Iggy Wolf]

Unbelievable. As if it wasn't bad enough that they tried to pull this BS recently with the 4080 12 GB, now they're trying the same BS with the 3060. Kinda makes you wonder what crap they'll try to pull with the 4060. I still remember when the 970 fiasco resulted in a class action lawsuit. I guess they figure mainstream consumers who buy 3060s wouldn't notice the difference as well as enthusiasts who buy 80xx series cards. This is a glorified 3050 Ti, nothing more. https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-with-8gb-memory-has-been-tested-17-performance-difference-vs-12gb-model

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/zahxs2/8gb_rtx_3060_same_name_same_price_less_performance/

[[drunk] 2021 Giant Stance]

Just wait a few years. Still having fun with my $120 rx 580 8gb

[antoniobennett72]

Originalmente postado por Annihilator:

The people not know what scam mean. Scam is if you dont reiceive the thing you payed for. If you not like this card simple dont buyng it.

In this case being aware of what the choice actually is, is necessary to know if you want to buy it or not.

I can easily see folks picking up the cutdown version at the same cost thinking the RAM doesn't much matter at 1080 or even largely at 1440p and missing the bus reduction and the performance drop that comes along for the ride with no discount.

A wise consumer is an educated consumer which is what the OP was doing to help from my perspective.

[Maraud]

I can't agree more. 8go of VRAM for a 3060 or even worst, for a 3070 is a SCAM. I have a 3070 and I am playing in 1440p, I can report that I am getting vram limited in many games. Hogwarts legacy was aweful for instance, a very stuttery experience. Last of us, I can't put textures at more than medium setting. Even the 3080 can't use the ultra setting as it require 12go of VRAM, roughly.
Forza Horizon 5 I am also always like 2go out of budget, re4 or re8 I am stuck with 2go texture setting (out of 8).. And more!

The fact that games will require more and more VRAM in the future and that NVIDIA keep on increasing the price, made me decide to never go back to a Nvidia GPU.
IT'S A SCAM! Paying this much and day one you wont be able to max out your games, unacceptable!

Also, it is worth noting that RT also increases VRAM usage. So forget about rt on a 8go GPU.. or make compromise!

And the scam continue for the 4000 serie! 12go should be the bare minimum nowadays and this won't be met by the upcoming 4060 and 4070, if rumors are correct. The 4060 will have 8go and the 4070 will have 10go.

The solution => AMD

[Illusion of Progress]

I think the RTX 4070 will have 12 GB, but it's looking to be underwhelming despite that anyway. So if it's RTX 3080-ish performance, with 2 GB more VRAM and for $100 off, over two years later? What an amazing increase...

When the RX 6800 XT already exists at that price or cheaper, with similar rasterized performance (albeit less in ray tracing), and with much more VRAM for years?

These are our "improvements" now in the GPU space.

And rumors are the RTX 4050 may have 6 GB VRAM, and on a 96-bit bus. Absolutely amazing. Neither of those should be a thing on a new product in 2023.

The x60 feels like only an entry level gaming product now (and a slightly overpriced one at that, albeit the RTX 3060 having 12 GB was actually the one thing it did right), and the x50 is a glorified discrete IGP, hardly gaming entry level.

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

It's not a scam, 8 GB version is cheaper than 12 GB RTX 3060. Nvidia is doing this for ages, remember GTX 1060 3GB and 6GB model?

Nvidia expects buyers to do research and know about products before making a purchase, and most buyers who are connected to gaming world, or use platforms like Steam or other marketplaces know what they are buying, that includes seeing benchmarks / reviews etc.
It's a GPU, not a toilet paper that people would just pick up from the shelves and head for the counter.

[_I_]

the amount of ram also has to do with the memory controller and channels the gpu core has available

all use of the 3xxx cards same core design/wafer and are binned on defective and how the good parts perform
odds are the bad parts on the 3070/ti and 3060 and 3050 only have enough working memory controller parts for 8g ram

the 3060 12g may have better ram controller or more channels/bandwidth but has fewer working cores making it a weaker card than the 3060ti overall

glad nvidia ditched the 'super' series on newer gen, as its just another sub tier to get confused with

[Preacher]

Originalmente postado por kiwikev:

Makes the RX-6650xt look an even better option, its cheaper than 3060 12GB here in NZ.

unfortunately AMD cards seem to be increasing in price lately! The 6600 is now 300+ when it was 180 a few months ago

[A&A]

Originalmente postado por Preacher:

Originalmente postado por kiwikev:

Makes the RX-6650xt look an even better option, its cheaper than 3060 12GB here in NZ.

unfortunately AMD cards seem to be increasing in price lately! The 6600 is now 300+ when it was 180 a few months ago

It depends, l still can buy one for 230 euros or around 190 euros without taxes.

[76561199488973502]

good thread i didn't know the bus speed was less on these newer cards, i was recently looking at getting one, not that i need one but figured i could upgrade another pc in the home with my old card.

its your typical technology play, resell a product for more money with less ability and price it high while cutting cost on the all the fringe

buyer better beware in this industry next thing they will be pushing those cpu/gpu combos at users trying to forsake vram all together in a play to consume system ram and cause users to need 64 gigs of system ram just to run things.

[UserNotFound]

Originalmente postado por Maraud:

I can't agree more. 8go of VRAM for a 3060 or even worst, for a 3070 is a SCAM. I have a 3070 and I am playing in 1440p, I can report that I am getting vram limited in many games. Hogwarts legacy was aweful for instance, a very stuttery experience. Last of us, I can't put textures at more than medium setting. Even the 3080 can't use the ultra setting as it require 12go of VRAM, roughly.
Forza Horizon 5 I am also always like 2go out of budget, re4 or re8 I am stuck with 2go texture setting (out of 8).. And more!

The fact that games will require more and more VRAM in the future and that NVIDIA keep on increasing the price, made me decide to never go back to a Nvidia GPU.
IT'S A SCAM! Paying this much and day one you wont be able to max out your games, unacceptable!

Also, it is worth noting that RT also increases VRAM usage. So forget about rt on a 8go GPU.. or make compromise!

And the scam continue for the 4000 serie! 12go should be the bare minimum nowadays and this won't be met by the upcoming 4060 and 4070, if rumors are correct. The 4060 will have 8go and the 4070 will have 10go.

The solution => AMD

HardwareUnboxed did a vid on the RX 6800 16GB vs RTX 3070 8GB (should apply to the RTX 3070 Ti 8GB as well):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh7kFgHe21k

Surprisingly, the RX 6800 can beat the RTX 3070 under certain circumstances/setting with RT enabled, imagine that! And it all boils down to the VRAM buffer. Plus, some games at certain settings are quite playable with the RX 6800, but on the RTX 3070, it simply failed badly.

[Komarimaru]

I like how people are making an issues over VRAM just now.

The 3070, was never a high end card. It was around 2080 Super performance, still is. It was a mid level card for $500... The 6800 being a bit more.

People are only making a stink about it now, since AMD needs to sell their 6000 series, so heavily dropped prices in a very drastic way so hopefully people will by the 7000 series more.

I just find it odd, people are comparing the RX 6800, the 3080 equivalent, to a 3070, a 2080 super equivalent. Why not, RX 6800 vs 3080? Ya know, how it was intended?

Ya, new games are using higher resolution textures, with no quality difference oddly when gaming at 1080p, yet here we are, comparing it for some odd reason.

This is coming from someone confused who owns a 6950XT and a 3080TI. Would prefer cards be compared to their hardware tier, not clearance prices.

[UserNotFound]

Originalmente postado por Komarimaru:

I like how people are making an issues over VRAM just now.

The 3070, was never a high end card. It was around 2080 Super performance, still is. It was a mid level card for $500... The 6800 being a bit more.

People are only making a stink about it now, since AMD needs to sell their 6000 series, so heavily dropped prices in a very drastic way so hopefully people will by the 7000 series more.

I just find it odd, people are comparing the RX 6800, the 3080 equivalent, to a 3070, a 2080 super equivalent. Why not, RX 6800 vs 3080? Ya know, how it was intended?

Ya, new games are using higher resolution textures, with no quality difference oddly when gaming at 1080p, yet here we are, comparing it for some odd reason.

This is coming from someone confused who owns a 6950XT and a 3080TI. Would prefer cards be compared to their hardware tier, not clearance prices.

Why the need to defend nVidia? Peeps are comparing the RX 6800 against the RTX 3070 simply because of price:
Sapphire Pulse RX 6800 at 510USD
https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-11305-02-20G-Radeon-Gaming-Graphics/dp/B08NXYBVDB/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=RX+6800&qid=1681185500&sr=8-1

Gigabyte RTX 3070 gaming OC at 530USD
https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-REV2-0-WINDFORCE-GV-N3070GAMING-OC-8GD/dp/B098Q4M4WH/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=GeForce+RTX+3070&qid=1681185465&sr=8-1

Granted, there's a few PNY RTX 3070 at 450USD (Renewed)
https://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-Gaming-Graphics-Renewed/dp/B092WZRHPD/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=GeForce+RTX+3070&qid=1681185686&sr=8-6

But typically, an RTX 3070 goes for 500USD, putting it in direct competition against the RX 6800, isn't that a fair way to compare? The RTX 3070 Ti typically starts at >600USD, and due to the VRAM issue, will more or less suffer from bad gameplay in titles that the RTX 3070 suffers from. This puts the RTX 3070 Ti in an even worse light....

I don't get why some nV fans refuse to acknowledged that nVidia had shortchanged its customers with the RTX 3070/3070 Ti/RTX 3060 Ti by allotting just 8GB of VRAM buffer. Even Steve of HardwareUnboxed had said this.

Edit - Hardware tier is moot, nobody cares about that, what matter to most (not sure about you as perhaps you're rich and price is inconsequential) is PRICE, PCIE! PRICE!

[Holografix]

and yet my 3070ti runs Oxygen Not Included just fine.

[Komarimaru]

Originalmente postado por UserNotFound:

Originalmente postado por Komarimaru:

I like how people are making an issues over VRAM just now.

The 3070, was never a high end card. It was around 2080 Super performance, still is. It was a mid level card for $500... The 6800 being a bit more.

People are only making a stink about it now, since AMD needs to sell their 6000 series, so heavily dropped prices in a very drastic way so hopefully people will by the 7000 series more.

I just find it odd, people are comparing the RX 6800, the 3080 equivalent, to a 3070, a 2080 super equivalent. Why not, RX 6800 vs 3080? Ya know, how it was intended?

Ya, new games are using higher resolution textures, with no quality difference oddly when gaming at 1080p, yet here we are, comparing it for some odd reason.

This is coming from someone confused who owns a 6950XT and a 3080TI. Would prefer cards be compared to their hardware tier, not clearance prices.

Why the need to defend nVidia? Peeps are comparing the RX 6800 against the RTX 3070 simply because of price:
Sapphire Pulse RX 6800 at 510USD
https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-11305-02-20G-Radeon-Gaming-Graphics/dp/B08NXYBVDB/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=RX+6800&qid=1681185500&sr=8-1

Gigabyte RTX 3070 gaming OC at 530USD
https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-REV2-0-WINDFORCE-GV-N3070GAMING-OC-8GD/dp/B098Q4M4WH/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=GeForce+RTX+3070&qid=1681185465&sr=8-1

Granted, there's a few PNY RTX 3070 at 450USD (Renewed)
https://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-Gaming-Graphics-Renewed/dp/B092WZRHPD/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=GeForce+RTX+3070&qid=1681185686&sr=8-6

But typically, an RTX 3070 goes for 500USD, putting it in direct competition against the RX 6800, isn't that a fair way to compare? The RTX 3070 Ti typically starts at >600USD, and due to the VRAM issue, will more or less suffer from bad gameplay in titles that the RTX 3070 suffers from. This puts the RTX 3070 Ti in an even worse light....

I don't get why some nV fans refuse to acknowledged that nVidia had shortchanged its customers with the RTX 3070/3070 Ti/RTX 3060 Ti by allotting just 8GB of VRAM buffer. Even Steve of HardwareUnboxed had said this.

Edit - Hardware tier is moot, nobody cares about that, what matter to most (not sure about you as perhaps you're rich and price is inconsequential) is PRICE, PCIE! PRICE!

I'm not defending nvidia, you're comparing clearance prices vs retail.

Like I said, I use both, I don't pick based on creator but performance I need at the time.

The 6800 non XT was $600 vs the 3070 $500.

Even then, I always told people for budget to get a 3060ti, over the 6600XT. Never buy the 6700 or 3070, and instead get at least a 6800XT or 308012gb for higher tier systems.

I always have seen the xx70 from nVidia and x700 from AMD as cash grabs.

Even now I tell people to just save up a bit more and get a 6950xt due to clearance prices.

[UserNotFound]

Originalmente postado por Komarimaru:

I'm not defending nvidia, you're comparing clearance prices vs retail.

Like I said, I use both, I don't pick based on creator but performance I need at the time.

The 6800 non XT was $600 vs the 3070 $500.

Even then, I always told people for budget to get a 3060ti, over the 6600XT. Never buy the 6700 or 3070, and instead get at least a 6800XT or 308012gb for higher tier systems.

I always have seen the xx70 from nVidia and x700 from AMD as cash grabs.

Even now I tell people to just save up a bit more and get a 6950xt due to clearance prices.

Again, you're falling back on semantics, and I refuse to do that. What matters to me, and I'm pretty sure to most here, is the present price of the cards. The RX 6800 is being sold at roughly similar price to the RTX 3070, that's all that matters because there's such a thing as price/performance, that is the basis for them being compared to each other.

Again, I stress that GPU tier level means diddly, it's moot as price trumps whatever perceived tier levels you would like to cling to (as that's the only way you can 'win' this argument or disagreement). You're clinging on to this GPU tier level argument like a drowning man to straw.