Iggy Wolf 2022 年 12 月 10 日 下午 4:49
Nvidia 3060 8 GB scam
Unbelievable. As if it wasn't bad enough that they tried to pull this BS recently with the 4080 12 GB, now they're trying the same BS with the 3060. Kinda makes you wonder what crap they'll try to pull with the 4060. I still remember when the 970 fiasco resulted in a class action lawsuit. I guess they figure mainstream consumers who buy 3060s wouldn't notice the difference as well as enthusiasts who buy 80xx series cards. This is a glorified 3050 Ti, nothing more. https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-with-8gb-memory-has-been-tested-17-performance-difference-vs-12gb-model

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/zahxs2/8gb_rtx_3060_same_name_same_price_less_performance/
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r.linder 2022 年 12 月 10 日 下午 7:29 
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
Yes because what is sad is that GPUs like GTX 780 used upwards of 250 watts or more. Then the GTX 970 comes out and basically runs everything just as well as a 780 if not often slightly better, while pulling maybe 140-150 watts max.

Overall, I feel like something is missing.

Look at the TDP of the 3080, 3080 Ti, 3090, 3090 Ti and then the 4090.
So for the 4080 to only do around 250 watts max TDP, it's as if something is truly missing between the 4080 16GB and the 4090.
There's a 40% performance gap between the two in some cases, they've probably already started making the 4080 Ti but aren't going to release it until the rest of the generation drops. But I doubt it'd be worth it, considering the price gap between the two is only 30%, people who can afford to drop 1200$+ on a GPU as it is may as well just buy a 4090, which is exactly what's happening on NVIDIA side. Saw reports that the 4090 was selling 3 times as many units, and saw many posts online showing dozens of 4080s in stores that almost nobody had interest in.
最后由 r.linder 编辑于; 2022 年 12 月 10 日 下午 7:31
Iggy Wolf 2022 年 12 月 10 日 下午 7:29 
引用自 Iggy Wolf

Oh, I had no intention of getting an AMD card. I mean, I like my current 3060 Ti. I'm just pointing out how a lot of people will say that AMD right now seems better for value and performance, and maybe they are, but only because Nvidia overprices theirs.

That said, their high end at least can justify the performance on account of the fact the 4090 right now is the only card that can pull 60+ FPS in Portal RTX. It's a better deal than when the GTX Titan and Titan X were $1500 or more I think and yet got overshadowed by the 10xx,, 20xx, and 30xx series cards.
A single game doesn't justify it, what does justify Lovelace is that if you actually take the time to undervolt and tweak the cards, you can get them running pretty efficiently with minimal loss in performance. But even at stock, the 4080 can average around 250W, which is crazy power efficient considering it's around 30% faster than the 3090 Ti, but the only major issue with the card is the price, it's worse performance/dollar than the 4090.

Oh, I wasn't saying a single game (which is really just a tech demo of an older game at that) justifies getting the card. Lord knows the entire tech demo is a glorified advertisement for their 4090 anyway (what with little 4090s sprinkled throughout the levels). I'm just pointing out that the fact it's the only card capable of managing path tracing at playable frames means that going forward, any games taking more advantage of raytracing makes the 4090 a good contender. But it's also up there in terms of enthusiast prices, which doesn't really make it a good deal for anyone who games midrange (1080P or 1440P and not 4K).
Tiberius 2022 年 12 月 10 日 下午 7:44 
Considering the most popular gpu on steam has gotten worse in performance (from gtx1060 to a weaker gtx1650), i'd say pc gamers deserve to be milked as hard as possible :steammocking:
Bad 💀 Motha 2022 年 12 月 10 日 下午 8:00 
Cause the next step from a 1060 is a 2060. The 1660 was based off the 2060, however it less performance overall, and the 16 series lacks any RT cores.

The 1650 was never meant to replace the 1060. That's what the 2060 is for.
So if anything you need to look at a 1660 like a form of 2050, and the 1650 like a 2030 or 2040.

I have a 1070 and 1080; no 1660 ever made comes close to either of those.

Overall, I stuck with a 1080 Ti as long as I could. While I do own a 2080 Super, I waited a while to move towards the RTX cards. Because the RTX was not the kind of a step up like we've seen in the past due to major changes in design and function. 1080 Ti is still fine for non-RT/DLSS stuff. I didn't really need anything better until I realized what I could do with the 3080 and 3080 Ti. I didn't see the point in paying $2000+ for a 3090 though (back in 2021)
Annihilator 2022 年 12 月 10 日 下午 9:49 
The people not know what scam mean. Scam is if you dont reiceive the thing you payed for. If you not like this card simple dont buyng it.
r.linder 2022 年 12 月 10 日 下午 9:55 
引用自 Annihilator
The people not know what scam mean. Scam is if you dont reiceive the thing you payed for. If you not like this card simple dont buyng it.
It's the same price, and people who don't know the difference who are expecting to get the same performance as any 3060 (since they have the same name as the 4080s did) will be severely disappointed when they find out they bought the model with less VRAM and a smaller bus width that makes the card perform up to 30% slower than the 12GB version.

It'd be one thing if it were a lot cheaper, but it's not. It's literally a scam by NVIDIA's part, they silently launched it through less popular AIBs. By your own definition of a scam, people would mistakenly buy one of those cards thinking they'll get the same performance as the 12GB model because all other specs are the same aside from the VRAM capacity and the bus width.
最后由 r.linder 编辑于; 2022 年 12 月 10 日 下午 9:57
Yamantaka 2022 年 12 月 10 日 下午 10:56 
I do wonder how many times more people tolerate these scammy moves from Nvidia. It's getting pretty hard to justify what they do by any standards.
A&A 2022 年 12 月 11 日 上午 12:39 
Yes, it is 8GB, but this is not the problem.

The real problem is the memory bandwidth
最后由 A&A 编辑于; 2022 年 12 月 11 日 上午 12:39
Bad Advice 2022 年 12 月 11 日 上午 12:45 
引用自 Yamantaka
I do wonder how many times more people tolerate these scammy moves from Nvidia. It's getting pretty hard to justify what they do by any standards.
Yeah, they're a bit tricky. I had a 970 and we went into the class action. This time around, EVGA pulled up their skirt and let the world see how ruthless they treat their constituents. Well, not much doubt they're the best in the business but now that Intel is getting it's feet wet, Nvidia may have to change it's tune. Especially when AMD is putting it's bumper against Nvidia's prize 40 series cards.
Bad Advice 2022 年 12 月 11 日 上午 12:52 
引用自 A&A
Yes, it is 8GB, but this is not the problem.

The real problem is the memory bandwidth
Yes. I don't know why Nvidia and AMD are still embracing 256 bit. I can only think it as a market ploy to sell incremental upgrades.. so we have to keep buying the latest and greatest card.
A&A 2022 年 12 月 11 日 上午 2:45 
引用自 Bad Advice
引用自 A&A
Yes, it is 8GB, but this is not the problem.

The real problem is the memory bandwidth
Yes. I don't know why Nvidia and AMD are still embracing 256 bit. I can only think it as a market ploy to sell incremental upgrades.. so we have to keep buying the latest and greatest card.
Probably because Moore's law doesn't work and I think with every generation they will add something new, but already existing technologies like HMB (High Bandwidth Memory, stacking RAM similary to AMD's 3D cache.), adding SSDs to the GPU (not many titles support direct storage and when it comes to a lot of GBs of textures, it will load faster and it will be great when it comes to productivity) or working even more on power efficiency and adding more tweaks
最后由 A&A 编辑于; 2022 年 12 月 11 日 上午 2:45
Julien, cut it out. 2022 年 12 月 11 日 上午 3:53 
引用自 Bad Advice
引用自 A&A
Yes, it is 8GB, but this is not the problem.

The real problem is the memory bandwidth
Yes. I don't know why Nvidia and AMD are still embracing 256 bit. I can only think it as a market ploy to sell incremental upgrades.. so we have to keep buying the latest and greatest card.
How shouldn't they? Read the tech specifications of GDDR6.

You can use a 32 bits data bus for either one module or two modules (clamshell configuration).
The 3060 is a clamshell configuration; they reduced the amount of modules, therefore the bus width has been reduced.

Of course, the implification of such a reduction in memory is not something a consumer can be asked to know, or even understand. It's a good thing, benchmarking outlets point the finger towards it.

But I struggle to understand the outcry from non-tech savvy guys;
"embracing 256 bit"? What does that even mean?
UserNotFound 2022 年 12 月 11 日 上午 4:53 
It's simple, it should be called an RTX 3050 Ti at the very most, reason for nGreedia calling it an RTX 3060 is.....more money! One need only look at the unlaunched RTX 4080 12GB (Fake Edition), now it's called the RTX 4070 Ti, and nGreedia has the gall to ask for the same price as when it was launched as the RTX 4080 12GB FE (Fake Edition).

Reason why nGreedia can do this is simple, sheep will always be sheep, that are led to slaughter.....basically, nGreedia fans would lap it up regardless. Nobody can argue that asking price for an RTX 3060 is higher than the RTX 3050 Ti from same company and nomenclature.
Iggy Wolf 2022 年 12 月 11 日 上午 7:39 
引用自 UserNotFound
It's simple, it should be called an RTX 3050 Ti at the very most, reason for nGreedia calling it an RTX 3060 is.....more money! One need only look at the unlaunched RTX 4080 12GB (Fake Edition), now it's called the RTX 4070 Ti, and nGreedia has the gall to ask for the same price as when it was launched as the RTX 4080 12GB FE (Fake Edition).

Reason why nGreedia can do this is simple, sheep will always be sheep, that are led to slaughter.....basically, nGreedia fans would lap it up regardless. Nobody can argue that asking price for an RTX 3060 is higher than the RTX 3050 Ti from same company and nomenclature.

What I don't understand is why even treat your customers like this? Nvidia has an 80% market share. Their customers have always been loyal, some would say to the point of fanaticism, but still. Enthusiasts rarely flinch at the flagship prices, so it's not like Nvidia ever struggles to move their high end stock. The debacle with the 4080 is only because the card is underspeced and overpriced.

But that's exactly the problem now with the 3060 as well. Even airline companies don't have THIS much contempt for their customers. Especially not the ones who actually pay well. Sure, economy class get treated like ♥♥♥♥, but they also pay the cheapest tickets, which are actually advertised as cheap, as is the service.

So at least you know what you're getting. And they rarely treat their business or 1st class customers like crap. Nvidia lately seems to gladly take a ♥♥♥♥ on their low range/mid range AND enthusiast customers. The kind of behavior that can only be exemplified by a MONOPOLY because they figure you don't have a choice anyway, so they can treat you like crap and you'll take it.
Bad 💀 Motha 2022 年 12 月 11 日 上午 7:45 
Memory bandwidth on modern GPUs is not really an issue. As due to better overall raw performance of such modern GPUs, people need to stop nit-picking as if today's GPUs that might have say, 192-bit of bandwidth are anymore near comparable to older GPUs that offered that in their specs such as GTX 950 or GT 1030.

Better yet look at the Memory Throughput via the GB/s as well as Texture Fill Rates and such. Those #s are much more important then the bitrate alone; 192 vs 256 vs 384

The memory bandwidth of current 3060, 3060 Ti and 3070 are all fairly close to one another.

NVIDIA will soon be replacing the current 3060 Ti with refreshed ones that have GDDR6X instead of just GDDR6. This will further help that lineup with better memory throughout at the same bitrate, and since the old ones will be not produced any longer, the newer refreshed 3060 Ti GDDR6X should go for around the same prices as currently see which is around 399-499 $USD or so.

Take a look at this 1080 Ti vs 3060 Ti games comparison.

https://youtu.be/TphV6mL-WJw

最后由 Bad 💀 Motha 编辑于; 2022 年 12 月 11 日 上午 7:56
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