A10 7860k

[Mandark]

What games can it handle?

[Mandark]

I was thinking of making a cheap, csgo machine with the new a10 7860k, and I was hoping to play games like ksp and space engineers, but I'm not sure if it can handle it. If anyone has any experience with the apu, please share your gaming experiences with it below. BTW, I'm not going to get a cheap cpu and a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ gpu for the same price.......

[upcoast]

Originally posted by Moar Rainbows:

What games can it handle?

For csgo you'd be better off with an intel i3 4xxx or i3 6100 with appropriate socket mobo and ram paired up with gtx750ti/GTX950 or r7 370/r9 380, more importantly stick with the i3 min for csgo.


http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kh747P

Basics ^. Stick a used gpu on it there a lots of cheap used gpus better than the apu.

You might as well post a budget and what parts you need ie complete tower or reusing hdds/psu/win 10 ???

[Mandark]

I honestly don't have the cash to buy anything more than a pentium g3258 and a r7 250x, OR the apu (the apu saving me cash). I only NEED to do light gaming like csgo, but I WANT to be able to play games like K.S.P. or Space Engineers at reasonable frame rates. I understand that if I was to "save my pennies" I would eventually be able to offord a system like you reccommended, but for now I'm looking for advice on how well the apu handles.

[upcoast]

Originally posted by Moar Rainbows:

I honestly don't have the cash to buy anything more than a pentium g3258 and a r7 250x, OR the apu (the apu saving me cash). I only NEED to do light gaming like csgo, but I WANT to be able to play games like K.S.P. or Space Engineers at reasonable frame rates. I understand that if I was to "save my pennies" I would eventually be able to offord a system like you reccommended, but for now I'm looking for advice on how well the apu handles.

Buy a used tower with an amd or intel quad in it and do your research on old gpus even a gtx650ti boost will beat out an apu.

[Mandark]

I've had experience with "used parts" before (involves crashing, fire, and a little bit of just "giving out"), so I'd prefer if it was all new. And, btw, I understand that there are many good gpus like the gtx 760 for $85 on ebay but I don't have the money for it. Also, worst comes to worst, I can buy a 2gb r7 250 off Ebay for maybe $45 and run dual graphics to squeez a little extra juice out of it.

[just.kamk /idle]

Originally posted by Moar Rainbows:

I honestly don't have the cash to buy anything more than a pentium g3258 and a r7 250x, OR the apu (the apu saving me cash). I only NEED to do light gaming like csgo, but I WANT to be able to play games like K.S.P. or Space Engineers at reasonable frame rates. I understand that if I was to "save my pennies" I would eventually be able to offord a system like you reccommended, but for now I'm looking for advice on how well the apu handles.

Well, that's already 200 bucks with mainboard.
i3 with mobo will cost you 150 + some used 650, 660, etc.

The g3258 would be sufficient for CSGO at least, and can be overclocked nicely. You also got a decent upgrade path with both the Pentium and the i3, while the AMD counterpart sits on a dead socket.

Food for thought.

[Rove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbgQQa_a2Ec

Seems to be enough for modest K.S.P. experience. Settings and framerates are detailed on the youtube page if you go there or copy and paste the link to a browser.

Also meets the minimum requirements as posted here:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/220200/

As for space engineers yes it seems it can to some degree play that also but without planetary features. So you won't be able to enjoy the new addition of planets maybe, only asteroid fields.

Here's Space Engineers on a variety of systems, unfortunately not all are detailed in system make-up, graphics settings or FPS but it gives a rough idea of what you might expect:

Intel HD 4000 (significantly worse than A10-7860K integrated graphics):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWgj1WpMgzI

A10-7850K & DDR3-2133 (just slightly worse than A10-7860K by a really tiny bit):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nz7gqO12lg

A10-7850K + dedicated R9 380 graphics card (Significantly better than the integrated graphics on the APU but still using it as a CPU, what you might get later as a upgrade if you get a 500W PSU now and a case large enough with this in mind for the future):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzRAfPOBmvY

Also as you can see here the A10-7860K does exceed the minimum specs but the warning is that minimum might not be able to "enjoy planetary features" since planets may be more demanding than asteroids. So I don't know if it exceeds the minimum by enough for planets:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/244850/

[_I_]

if you plan on ever upgrading to a dedicated gpu, go with a pentiumg, i3 or i5 build for gaming
skylake pentium g4400 + board and r7 card will be about the price of the a10 and board

ex. a10 /w board
CPU: AMD A10-7860k 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($105.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A78M PRO3+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($51.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $157.97

vs g4400 /w board and r7 250 is $20 more
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9K3vwP
CPU: Intel Pentium G4400 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($66.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 250 2GB Video Card ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $171.86

esay upgrade to skylake i3/i5/i7 and capable of running any gpu

[ee]

"What games can it handle?"

Do a youtube search on its older sibling "A10 7850k gaming" and you'll see a lower bound of what it's capable of. If you use fast memory (2133) and OC this newer lower watted unlocked APU, I'd expect you could squeeze a good bit more out of it compared to those youtube clips.

Originally posted by Rove:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbgQQa_a2Ec

Seems to be enough for modest K.S.P. experience. Settings and framerates are detailed on the youtube page if you go there or copy and paste the link to a browser.

Also meets the minimum requirements as posted here:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/220200/

[...]

Intel HD 4000 (significantly worse than A10-7860K integrated graphics):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWgj1WpMgzI

A10-7850K & DDR3-2133 (just slightly worse than A10-7860K by a really tiny bit):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nz7gqO12lg
[...]

Don't even consider i5's with HD 4000 series for any sort of gaming except retro titles. I very briefly had one and pretty much immediately delegated it to browsing/office duties.

It should play Kerbal wonderfully. This is the sort of thing the A series does very well (A8 and A10's were made for this area) and where it makes the most sense economically. If you compare it with an equivalently priced video card, you're essentially getting a quad core 4ghz processor thrown in for peanuts (~$40).

Desktop A8 and A10's will even play much more demanding sims like X-Plane really well. The 7860k is the best value you can get for this level gaming; perfect for sims, strategy. Some fps' can be very demanding (eg fallout), so do a youtube search for A10 7850k and name-of-your-game for an idea how these A series perform for a specific game.

If you're going to go for a more powerful GPU R7 265 and R9's, then you can also consider the related Athlon x4 860k's or the newer x4 845. The 845 is actually generally faster than the 860k even though it clocks slower and is non-overclockable, due to its revamped cpu cores.

One thing to be aware of is that both the x4 845 and the A10 7860k are somewhat newer recent releases, so call the retailer to see if the bios has been updated to accept these newer chips; some older stock mobos may not post. So unless you have an older fm2 CPU laying around and can bootstrap yourself, either ask, or get a mobo-cpu combo that's been tested to post.

The other advice would be to get fast memory DDR3 2133 when building with A series if you care about iGPU performance.

The Athlon x4's will run fine even on slow memory (1333) or even single channel faster memory (2133) since they're not sharing memory bandwidth with a GPU.

Yes, it is possible to build a perfectly gamable computer (linux steambox) with a $200 to $250 budget.

[M.A.F.I.A Cannoli]

An APU will handle this engine fine

[Mandark]

Thanks guys, I just wish that people had more videos of this actual chip instead of a a10 7850k. Hopefully I can play space engineers with planets, but I doubt the pentium+r7 250 could handle it any better.

[Mandark]

Don't know if this is a dead thread yet or not, but eventually I plan on running dual graphics with a r7 250 2gb. Hopefully this will improve performance, and give more ram for the igpu, and maybe free up more ram for the cpu.

[M.A.F.I.A Cannoli]

Yes its called hybrid crossfire

[Mandark]

I could be wrong, but isn't crossfire between 2 discrete gpus, and dual graphics between an igpu and a discrete gpu?

[M.A.F.I.A Cannoli]

Originally posted by Moar Rainbows:

I could be wrong, but isn't crossfire between 2 discrete gpus, and dual graphics between an igpu and a discrete gpu?

Originally posted by Grey Angel:

Yes its called hybrid crossfire