Linus Hyper Aug 13, 2016 @ 10:20am
Can I use an SSD for everything?
For gaming, OS install, programs, listening to music, watching videos etc etc.
Or should I use an SSD for something more specific and use a regular HDD for everything else?

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Rumpelcrutchskin Aug 13, 2016 @ 11:00am 
Depends how big the SSD is. OS install would be first priority. Then programs you use often.
Games that load lot of levels or other stuff all the time and have long loading times benefit from this. Music and videos are usually just fine on HDD and most games too.
OS, everyday programs and some select games is good choice, unless you have some 1-2 TB SSD and can just put everything there.
Linus Hyper Aug 13, 2016 @ 11:55am 
On my laptop I have a 20-ish GiB SSD (and a 1 TB regular SATA) that I used for gaming when I didn't had enough money for a desktop. Didn't matter how old or new the games were, I installed them there anyway. Seemed to work okay.
Rumpelcrutchskin Aug 13, 2016 @ 12:07pm 
Should aim for at least 240-250 GB SSD when building or buying new PC.
banzaigtv Aug 13, 2016 @ 12:54pm 
Sometimes I find that Windows 10 takes around 10-15 seconds to load an HDD when trying to access a file on it, which is annoying. For this reason, I put everything on a 1 TB SSD on one of my PCs with an OS partition and a storage partition. So if you have the money, by all means, get a 1 TB or 2 TB SSD.

This message was posted 8/13/2016 @ 7:54 AM CDT
Dodece Aug 13, 2016 @ 6:05pm 
Honestly this isn't really an either/or proposition. It isn't even much of a choice, because the fact that your system can support multiple drives. Just means that as you need more space you can always add another drive later down the line. Not to mention that thumb drives are both relatively cheap and abundant. Solid state drives hold all of the advantages. They are more reliable, they produce less heat, they produce no noise, and they perform much better.

Basically if you find you need more space pick up another solid state drive, or pick up additional thumb drives. With the ubiquity of usb ports in most modern rigs. You can easily make up any short fall by picking up thumb drives as the need arises. There just isn't any reason to invest in a hard drive anymore. The price differential isn't even that great anymore.
pasa Aug 13, 2016 @ 6:21pm 
SSD is expensive /MB so you obviously don't want to use it for bulk storage, like holding all your films, episodes, pictures, etc. And if you already have a HDD for that purpose, alos bulky whatever that is not sensitive for reading speed on the regular use.

SSD is fast and seek-free so ideal for stuff you need to load in a blink, that applies to parts of OS, games, etc.

For temporary files it's good for performance, but bad for wearing-out. The technology is such that every cell can only get overwritten a limited amount of times before picking up bit errors and later just fail. The controller handles all that for you reallocating the data to new sectors and eliminating the bad ones. But they will accumulate. So if you have a file that gets overwritten several times every second, that will eventually ruin the disk. You have to find your balance.

pasa Aug 13, 2016 @ 6:24pm 
Originally posted by Dodece:
Solid state drives hold all of the advantages. They are more reliable, they produce less heat, they produce no noise, and they perform much better.

Err, more reliable than what? Floppy disks?
The Rock God Aug 13, 2016 @ 6:30pm 
Originally posted by Dodece:
There just isn't any reason to invest in a hard drive anymore. The price differential isn't even that great anymore.

4TB Samsung Evo 850: $1500
4TB HDD: A little over $200
2TB Samsung Evo 850: At least $600
2TB HDD: Less than $100
Last edited by The Rock God; Aug 13, 2016 @ 6:31pm
Washell Aug 13, 2016 @ 7:19pm 
Originally posted by pasa:
For temporary files it's good for performance, but bad for wearing-out. The technology is such that every cell can only get overwritten a limited amount of times before picking up bit errors and later just fail. The controller handles all that for you reallocating the data to new sectors and eliminating the bad ones. But they will accumulate. So if you have a file that gets overwritten several times every second, that will eventually ruin the disk. You have to find your balance.

The SSD will be obsolete due to its size and, by then, poor speed before that becomes an issue for the home user. It was barely an issue on the first generation due to the rapid drop in price, and rapid improvements of the later generations, making replacing it quickly a natural choice.

Originally posted by banzaigtv:
This message was posted 8/13/2016 @ 7:54 AM CDT

Why the ♥♥♥♥ are you manually time stamping a message that already gets time stamped by the forums?
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Linus Hyper Aug 13, 2016 @ 7:21pm 
Originally posted by Washell:
Why the ♥♥♥♥ are you manually time stamping a message that already gets time stamped by the forums?
Maybe he used his phone?
Dodece Aug 13, 2016 @ 7:25pm 
Originally posted by pasa:
Originally posted by Dodece:
Solid state drives hold all of the advantages. They are more reliable, they produce less heat, they produce no noise, and they perform much better.

Err, more reliable than what? Floppy disks?

More reliable then hard drives which are far more prone to failure. The reason for this should be fairly obvious. They are mechanical devices, and as such they experience more wear and tear. Further more they are more vulnerable to environmental conditions. Not just the temperatures in their immediate environment, but the vibrations in the local environment. In other words they are very easy to damage. All it really takes is one good jar.

Mind you this is assuming an ideal situation. Which isn't what we typically find right now. As the price of solid state drives has come down. Hard drives have had to do likewise in order to remain competitive within the market place, and frankly that price cutting isn't coming from innovation. It is coming from cutting corners. So the quality is obviously suffering as a consequence. Which is not necessarily a bad thing.

What I mean to say is if someone is in the market for slower cheaper memory. Reliability most likely isn't a major concern for them, or more likely a calculated risk they are willing to accept. In this instance however I have to question the necessity. As the better memory isn't all that much more expensive, and frankly nobody needs that much memory for light use. Not with the myriad of better solutions available.

There are so many external solutions these days. Burn it onto discs, use thumb drives, making use of the cloud, and so forth. From my experience a lot of people seem to buy hard drives out of force of habit, or they are impressed by the large numbers. Never adequately questioning the actual necessity. I can certainly appreciate why store models come with hard drives. They look good on paper, and the manufacturers have to get rid of them, but if you are building your own you don't need to buy into something that only looks good on paper.

Anyway I hope you are not arguing that hard drives are more reliable then solid state drives.
Washell Aug 13, 2016 @ 7:30pm 
Originally posted by banzaigtv:
Sometimes I find that Windows 10 takes around 10-15 seconds to load an HDD when trying to access a file on it, which is annoying.
Go to your power options and stop letting Windows put drives to sleep. If you already did that, you may want to check what's hogging your memory and needs to be swapped to the drive in order to enable windows to open the file.

@OP: Price vs performance: everything that runs should be on the SSD. Everything that's played back, or stored for long term, should be on a HDD.

Originally posted by Dodece:
Originally posted by pasa:
Err, more reliable than what? Floppy disks?
More reliable then hard drives
I consider reliability to be a moot point. If it's irreplaceable, it should be backed up. You shouldn't be relying on a supposedly safer storage system. Murphy's law.

Originally posted by Phobos⛧Anomaly:
Maybe he used his phone?
Still weird giving that hundreds do that every day here, without adding a time stamp.

@Banzaigtv: sorry if WTF came over a little harsh.
Last edited by Washell; Aug 13, 2016 @ 7:32pm
Dodece Aug 13, 2016 @ 7:54pm 
Originally posted by ;360672304897453200:
Originally posted by Dodece:
There just isn't any reason to invest in a hard drive anymore. The price differential isn't even that great anymore.

4TB Samsung Evo 850: $1500
4TB HDD: A little over $200
2TB Samsung Evo 850: At least $600
2TB HDD: Less than $100

Do you actually require that much internal storage, because I would respectfully argue that if you require that much storage. Then you would be much better served by investing in a disc drive in order to burn most of that data to discs. They will last upwards of fifty plus years, and you can make multiple back ups.

You are seriously grasping for a justification. Especially considering the amount of connectivity present in most modern rigs. In other words you don't need a single drive, and the original poster isn't talking about a single drive. What is it exactly you think the original poster is intends to use their rig for. Simulating the birth of galaxies, modeling weather patterns, running a game server.

I mean if we are going this route we might as well bring ram discs into the conversation.
Dodece Aug 13, 2016 @ 8:10pm 
@Washell

What you consider a moot point may be of paramount importance to another. Having your data backed up is a wonderful precaution, but it does nothing to address the core problem. Replacing a drive is a pain most of us would choose to avoid. Is it the only consideration. Well obviously it is not, but it is a consideration none the less.
Washell Aug 13, 2016 @ 8:12pm 
Originally posted by Dodece:
They will last upwards of fifty plus years
If you use a high quality (expensive) medium, a high quality drive that can report the error rates, burn it 10 times and store the most perfect copy in a temperature and humidity controlled environment. Cheap and dirty degrades loooong before that. Half a century is usually for pressed optical storage, not home burned.

Don't rely on a single medium for your valuable data. Don't let any of your storage options age indefinately.

Originally posted by Dodece:
Replacing a drive is a pain most of us would choose to avoid.
Due to the way my system is set up, the only inconvenience of a failure is minor expense and an ~hour spend babysitting the PC while watching a show if the OS drive fails. Anything else is just backing up from storage overnight or redownloading from online as and when I need it. While the failure rates on SSD's and HDD's are significantly different when directly compared, they're insignificant as a home consumer.
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