Amd vs Intel....

[Barszcz Zielony]

So my current pc specs are:
CPU: AMD FX(tm)-8320 Eight Core Processor 3.65 GHz
MEMORY: 24 GB RAM (HyperX)
GPU: AMD RADEON R9

While playing CS:GO it currently uses 30-40% CPU, and 95-100% GPU
So i decided to buy GEFORCE GTX 1070,
Should I still be thinking of upgrading my CPU? even tough it only used around 30-40% of cpu
will intel do significant/insignificant fps difference?, better response times on what i see on screen?

with old setup i get 100-300 fps, and i get it it is alot, but im looking for hardcore fps... :p

[Kate]

引用自 _I_：

for older games that only need 2 cores, pentium g will beat any amd cpu

I'd love to see a source on this. Like a Pentium g vs a FX 9590.

Like everyone has said, there's no real battle at the moment, Intel wins in both performance and power efficiency. You can get an i3 to get a slightly better performance (except on things like Crysis the i3 should win by a bit) and much lower power consumption or an i5 for considerably better performance and still lower power consumption.

However I have no idea why you're upgrading. I could get it if you wanted to lower your power bill, yet you just upgraded your GPU. And I have no idea why you need "hardcore FPS", what's your screen's refresh rate? 60Hz? 120Hz? You said so yourself you get 100-300 FPS with your setup, so besides reducing the lifespan of your hardware and increasing your power bill what do you expect to achieve?

So my point is: yes you have a bottleneck, and yes it can be solved by upgrading your CPU. I really don't see why though.

Response time has to do with the type of the panel (TN has it lower, IPS has higher), it has nothing to do with the CPU.

[vadim]

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引用自 Lain：

You said so yourself you get 100-300 FPS with your setup, so besides reducing the lifespan of your hardware and increasing your power bill what do you expect to achieve?

Better FPS == less input lag. Dependless on monitor refresh rate.

[Kate]

引用自 vadim：

Better FPS == less input lag.

Yes, but getting 300FPS on a 60Hz screen doesn't reduce input lag, it's already at the minimum possible. That's my point.

[vadim]

引用自 Lain：

Yes, but getting 300FPS on a 60Hz screen doesn't reduce input lag, it's already at the minimum possible. That's my point.

That isn't so. If your game runs at 60 FPS monitor will display buffer which was rendered at most 1000/60=16.67 ms before transfer from video card to monitor. If you will get 300 FPS this time will reduce to 3.33 ms.

[Kate]

引用自 vadim：

That isn't so. If your game runs at 60 FPS monitor will display buffer which was rendered at most 1000/60=16.67 ms before transfer from video card to monitor. If you will get 300 FPS this time will reduce to 3.33 ms.

You mean delay between rendering a frame and being picked up from the buffer for displaying? Fair enough, I can see how in competitive games this could be kind of relevant. Even at a fixed screen frequency you're getting a "newer" frame.

[_I_]

g3258 4.7ghz vs 8350 4.7ghz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEEuXQf29Z4

[Kate]

I have huge doubts they managed to get a G3258 to 4.7GHz without crashes every hours, and if we're going for extreme OC why not OC the 8350 to 5GHz, which I know it can handle? Since the G3258 was OC'd by 1.4GHz while the 8350 was OC'd by 700MHz, it's exactly half despite the frequency being the same. It's really not a fair comparison. I also don't know the temperature, and at that frequency there's no way the Pentium is cooler than the FX. Also it wouldn't hurt to post what games they tested.

I'm also not against comparing them OC'd since the G3258 is an OC monster so its potential lies there, but then say so in your statement, or find a stock clock comparison.

I'm not recommending the FX8350, I know it uses much more power and has lower single-threaded performance. But over and over I've seen you make these claims and then the proof is always highly dubious like benchmarks where they admit they didn't even test the CPU.

[banzaigtv]

For games which two cores, an overclocked G3258 wins over an 8350, but the flagship i7-4790k knocks them both out of the ballpark. When it comes to multi-core games like The Witcher 3, however, the 8350 fares better, but the Intel CPUs are still superior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL0zut5LkPU

As you can see, the 4790k obliterates the 8350 in World of Tanks.

[_I_]

g3258 is not a heat monster
its a 53w cpu
overclocked with the 120mm air cooler it should be ok
the z97 board it was is would allow for higher vcore which is needed for above 4ghz

fx needs a very good mobo to overclock, and they used a liquid cooler and hit 4.7 to make them at the same freq

g4400 stock clock is 3.3 and about 5% faster per clock than g3xxx

but with the gtx970 both are cpu bottlenecked

8350 has the same single thread vs 9xxx
they are the same cpu, 9xxx are top binned with a higher stock clock

fx cpu is not bottlenecked by its freq, but by its poor design and mobo chipset

[Kate]

引用自 _I_：

g3258 is not a heat monster
its a 53w cpu
overclocked with the 120mm air cooler it should be ok
the z97 board it was is would allow for higher vcore which is needed for above 4ghz

fx needs a very good mobo to overclock, and they used a liquid cooler and hit 4.7 to make them at the same freq

g4400 stock clock is 3.3 and about 5% faster per clock than g3xxx

but with the gtx970 both are cpu bottlenecked

8350 has the same single thread vs 9xxx
they are the same cpu, 9xxx are top binned with a higher stock clock

fx cpu is not bottlenecked by its freq, but by its poor design and mobo chipset

I never said it was a heat monster ON STOCK CLOCK, but if you're telling me thet got a G3258 to 4.7GHz stable with an air cooler I'm really going to ask for some proof. A video, anything as long as it shows temperatures.

Also, regarding the FX9: it's a better bin, so it would OC better, so it's only fair that you compare the Pentium to it, not the 8350, in an OC comparison. It was you who said "any amd cpu", not me. So either show me a stock clock comparison where the Pentium would probably lose even on older games or a better one with OC.

[_I_]

g3258 will get hot at that speed, but also has a max of 100c before it will throttle

http://www.overclock.net/t/1490324/the-intel-devils-canyon-owners-club

if its in an oepn or bench in a cool room air coolers can be ok


and i said

引用自 _I_：

for older games that only need 2 cores, pentium g will beat any amd cpu

pentium g has 2 cores that beat amd cores
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/245/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8350_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G4400.html
fx 9590 is not 40% faster than 8350 even when overclocked

[Meurock460]

Regardless of how good the single threaded performance of a pentium is, a g3258 should not be considered for a new gaming build anymore or even as an upgrade in general.

Its unlocked, and thats all it has going for it. A cheap disposible CPU for old games or to practice overclocking on. The upgrade path for it will only last until the remaining stock of Haswell i5s and i7s run out.

For a new gaming build or platform upgrade, i3 6100 at the very minimum, though one should really be looking at the i5 6500 quad or higher. Don't bother with the Skylake Pentiums.

If going the Haswell route, go straight to the i5 4460 or higher whilst they are still around.

For those coming from an FX, get a CPU that has better single threaded performance, but no worse multithreaded performance than your current CPU. That CPU would be either an i5 or i7 and no less.

[Venlord]

When I see people reccomend the i5 4460 this makes wonder if the i3 6300 would be a better option over the 4460.

(They are using 780ti)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZmb0y-3hQ4

It looks like it can compete with a 4460.

[Kate]

引用自 _I_：

g3258 will get hot at that speed, but also has a max of 100c before it will throttle

http://www.overclock.net/t/1490324/the-intel-devils-canyon-owners-club

if its in an oepn or bench in a cool room air coolers can be ok


and i said

引用自 _I_：

for older games that only need 2 cores, pentium g will beat any amd cpu

pentium g has 2 cores that beat amd cores
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/245/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8350_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G4400.html
fx 9590 is not 40% faster than 8350 even when overclocked

The thing is we don't know what the Pentium's temperature is, nor the FX's, and again it's not at all a comparable OC. And having a CPU run at 99C is NOT stable despite being below shutdown limit. What you have is a bunch of conjecture from the first video of the youtube search "FX8350 G3258", which isn't even the top AMD cpu. As always, don't make claims you can't prove. If you want to say the G3258 is a great CPU, that it overclocks fantastically, go ahead. If you want to claim its better than every single AMD CPU, find some proof.

引用自 Venlord：

When I see people reccomend the i5 4460 this makes wonder if the i3 6300 would be a better option over the 4460.

(They are using 780ti)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZmb0y-3hQ4

It looks like it can compete with a 4460.

Yes for most games the difference between an i3 and an i5 is what, 10FPS?

[Oven-Loaf]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sTtvA77AtBE :>