How AMD GPUs performs on non mainstream games and general PC usage these days?

[Napoleonic S]

I'm seriously considering going back to Radeon for my next GPU upgrade, my last Radeon GPU was ATI Radeon HD4850, so that was like a decade ago.

If the RX 7900 series can match RTX 4080 in ray tracing then I have little justification to pay more for Nvidia, add that AMD is still using the traditional cable and bringing in Display Port 2.1 whole Nvidia don't...

But my anxiety remains, how do AMD GPUs fare with indie-AA games and general PC usage these days? Are they hassle free? Or do they have performance issues, perhaps encountering bugs here and there? Or as they as smooth as Nvidia?

[Haruspex]

Napoleonic S の投稿を引用：

But my anxiety remains, how do AMD GPUs fare with indie-AA games and general PC usage these days? Are they hassle free? Or do they have performance issues, perhaps encountering bugs here and there? Or as they as smooth as Nvidia?

I'm still rocking my RX 5700 XT, and I know it's a few years old now but I don't feel like I'm being held back at all. It runs every game I throw at it just fine, be it AAA, indie-AA, or whatever. I'm playing at 1080p. If I had a 4K display I might feel some pressure to upgrade.

The old criticism that AMD has bad drivers was overblown when it was a thing, but it's non-existent today. Driver updates seem less frequent these days, but also much more stable. I haven't had a driver issue since I had my R9 390. Also AMD doesn't require me to create an account and log in to access certain GPU features, which is absolutely a plus.

I understand Nvidia has AMD beat with ray tracing. We'll have to see how the 7000 cards fare. I'm personally not really sold on ray tracing as of yet. I understand the potential, but it's not really a vital feature in games right now. I like to cite this video where the LTT guys either can't tell the difference between RTX on/off, or they really have to squint to figure it out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VGwHoSrIEU

[Napoleonic S]

8bitbeard の投稿を引用：

Napoleonic S の投稿を引用：

But my anxiety remains, how do AMD GPUs fare with indie-AA games and general PC usage these days? Are they hassle free? Or do they have performance issues, perhaps encountering bugs here and there? Or as they as smooth as Nvidia?

I'm still rocking my RX 5700 XT, and I know it's a few years old now but I don't feel like I'm being held back at all. It runs every game I throw at it just fine, be it AAA, indie-AA, or whatever. I'm playing at 1080p. If I had a 4K display I might feel some pressure to upgrade.

The old criticism that AMD has bad drivers was overblown when it was a thing, but it's non-existent today. Driver updates seem less frequent these days, but also much more stable. I haven't had a driver issue since I had my R9 390. Also AMD doesn't require me to create an account and log in to access certain GPU features, which is absolutely a plus.

I understand Nvidia has AMD beat with ray tracing. We'll have to see how the 7000 cards fare. I'm personally not really sold on ray tracing as of yet. I understand the potential, but it's not really a vital feature in games right now. I like to cite this video where the LTT guys either can't tell the difference between RTX on/off, or they really have to squint to figure it out.

How's FSR for you? Can your card use FSR?

That's the problem with ATI/AMD from back then too, they got dominated by Nvidia in game enhancing technologies and more often than not trailing behind, only capable to bring the open source versions of whatever Nvidia introduced first and do better...

[Tiberius]

Amd gpu tend to have amazing raster performance, which is something you need more for indie games (rather than rt performance)

[SinCanDory]

Napoleonic S の投稿を引用：

8bitbeard の投稿を引用：

I'm still rocking my RX 5700 XT, and I know it's a few years old now but I don't feel like I'm being held back at all. It runs every game I throw at it just fine, be it AAA, indie-AA, or whatever. I'm playing at 1080p. If I had a 4K display I might feel some pressure to upgrade.

The old criticism that AMD has bad drivers was overblown when it was a thing, but it's non-existent today. Driver updates seem less frequent these days, but also much more stable. I haven't had a driver issue since I had my R9 390. Also AMD doesn't require me to create an account and log in to access certain GPU features, which is absolutely a plus.

I understand Nvidia has AMD beat with ray tracing. We'll have to see how the 7000 cards fare. I'm personally not really sold on ray tracing as of yet. I understand the potential, but it's not really a vital feature in games right now. I like to cite this video where the LTT guys either can't tell the difference between RTX on/off, or they really have to squint to figure it out.

How's FSR for you? Can your card use FSR?

That's the problem with ATI/AMD from back then too, they got dominated by Nvidia in game enhancing technologies and more often than not trailing behind, only capable to bring the open source versions of whatever Nvidia introduced first and do better...

What do you mean with "can your card use FSR?" Because almost all cards can use it, even the Nvidia cards. I'm using on 1660ti for example

[Cathulhu]

There are no benchmarks for the RDNA3 cards yet.
Don't expect amazing results in terms of raytracing where even AMD admits they are still lacking.

[Napoleonic S]

Tiberius の投稿を引用：

Amd gpu tend to have amazing raster performance, which is something you need more for indie games (rather than rt performance)

That's a good point, although you maybe surprised to know that done indie games use ray tracing now, a tiny minority of course but wouldn't want to miss them if they're good games.

[Napoleonic S]

SinCanDory の投稿を引用：

Napoleonic S の投稿を引用：

How's FSR for you? Can your card use FSR?

That's the problem with ATI/AMD from back then too, they got dominated by Nvidia in game enhancing technologies and more often than not trailing behind, only capable to bring the open source versions of whatever Nvidia introduced first and do better...

What do you mean with "can your card use FSR?" Because almost all cards can use it, even the Nvidia cards. I'm using on 1660ti for example

Haha it's easy to forget that after living inside the green walled garden, and even I prefer to use AMD CAS + TAA in Forza Horizon 5 with my 2070 Super...

I mean does FSR provide satisfactory performance/image quality for him? Does FSR even behave differently on AMD cards compared to NV cards?

[Napoleonic S]

Cathulhu の投稿を引用：

There are no benchmarks for the RDNA3 cards yet.
Don't expect amazing results in terms of raytracing where even AMD admits they are still lacking.

You're right but I'm confident that AMD 7900 series would smash the 4080 in price/performance metric.

[UserNotFound]

Honestly, between an RTX 7900 XTX at 1kUSD and the RTX 4080 at 1.2kUSD, I'd pick the former. I'd be really disappointed IF the RX 7900 XTX doesn't beat the RTX 4080 in rasterized gaming, not at all surprised if RT is lagging behind nVidia, but it should perform around higher end Ampere (that is, RTX 3080 or higher) in games with RT (not RTX) .

Also, with AMD working on FSR3.0, expect much better performance in games, it'd be out sometime next year, reason for the delay is, as AMD had stated, IF they were to just focus on latest and greatest, FSR3.0 would get an early release. But, they're working on getting FSR3.0 to work on RDNA2, RDNA, and earlier AMD cards, as well as on nVidia cards, owners of those GTX, as well as Ampere and Turing, cards should be happy about this as I don't think nVidia would bother with DLSS3.0 for Ampere and Turing.

As for AMD drivers, they have been pretty good with some minor ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, recent drivers do cause screen flicker with Chrome (when I drag and move it) as well as playback of vid on Chrome.But for games, I've had no crashes whatsoever with the games I play. I use a GTX 1080 and I can say that, being a user of both AMD and nVidia, their drivers are good, not perfect, but good.

[SinCanDory]

Napoleonic S の投稿を引用：

SinCanDory の投稿を引用：

What do you mean with "can your card use FSR?" Because almost all cards can use it, even the Nvidia cards. I'm using on 1660ti for example

Haha it's easy to forget that after living inside the green walled garden, and even I prefer to use AMD CAS + TAA in Forza Horizon 5 with my 2070 Super...

I mean does FSR provide satisfactory performance/image quality for him? Does FSR even behave differently on AMD cards compared to NV cards?

Nah, there is not much of a difference. Biggest difference in terms of performance is between the FSR versions. FSR 1 is known to be bad, FSR 2 is good and 2.1 is better. I think FSR 2.2 just got released (or going to be released soon) but I don't know about its performance

[Napoleonic S]

UserNotFound の投稿を引用：

Honestly, between an RTX 7900 XTX at 1kUSD and the RTX 4080 at 1.2kUSD, I'd pick the former. I'd be really disappointed IF the RX 7900 XTX doesn't beat the RTX 4080 in rasterized gaming, not at all surprised if RT is lagging behind nVidia, but it should perform around higher end Ampere (that is, RTX 3080 or higher) in games with RT (not RTX) .

Also, with AMD working on FSR3.0, expect much better performance in games, it'd be out sometime next year, reason for the delay is, as AMD had stated, IF they were to just focus on latest and greatest, FSR3.0 would get an early release. But, they're working on getting FSR3.0 to work on RDNA2, RDNA, and earlier AMD cards, as well as on nVidia cards, owners of those GTX, as well as Ampere and Turing, cards should be happy about this as I don't think nVidia would bother with DLSS3.0 for Ampere and Turing.

As for AMD drivers, they have been pretty good with some minor ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, recent drivers do cause screen flicker with Chrome (when I drag and move it) as well as playback of vid on Chrome.But for games, I've had no crashes whatsoever with the games I play. I use a GTX 1080 and I can say that, being a user of both AMD and nVidia, their drivers are good, not perfect, but good.

Is AMD really that bad at ray tracing currently?

[Haruspex]

Napoleonic S の投稿を引用：

How's FSR for you? Can your card use FSR?

It can, but I've only toyed with it. With my 1080p monitor there's not much call to use it, as games run fine at that native resolution on my card. I think it's neat, but I don't really like the sharpening effect it applies to stuff.

[SinCanDory]

Napoleonic S の投稿を引用：

UserNotFound の投稿を引用：

Honestly, between an RTX 7900 XTX at 1kUSD and the RTX 4080 at 1.2kUSD, I'd pick the former. I'd be really disappointed IF the RX 7900 XTX doesn't beat the RTX 4080 in rasterized gaming, not at all surprised if RT is lagging behind nVidia, but it should perform around higher end Ampere (that is, RTX 3080 or higher) in games with RT (not RTX) .

Also, with AMD working on FSR3.0, expect much better performance in games, it'd be out sometime next year, reason for the delay is, as AMD had stated, IF they were to just focus on latest and greatest, FSR3.0 would get an early release. But, they're working on getting FSR3.0 to work on RDNA2, RDNA, and earlier AMD cards, as well as on nVidia cards, owners of those GTX, as well as Ampere and Turing, cards should be happy about this as I don't think nVidia would bother with DLSS3.0 for Ampere and Turing.

As for AMD drivers, they have been pretty good with some minor ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, recent drivers do cause screen flicker with Chrome (when I drag and move it) as well as playback of vid on Chrome.But for games, I've had no crashes whatsoever with the games I play. I use a GTX 1080 and I can say that, being a user of both AMD and nVidia, their drivers are good, not perfect, but good.

Is AMD really that bad at ray tracing currently?

Compared to NVIDIA cards, AMD is really weak when it comes to RT. If you take same level GPUs from Nvidia and AMD, AMD's raytracing will be matching 1 or 2 tier blow. Nvidia's RT cores help a lot i think.

[UserNotFound]

I think the estimate for AMD RDNA3 GPU RT performance is roughly that of higher end Ampere, plus with FRS 2.x (with FSR3.0 incoming), performance with RT enabled in games that have FSR2.x would be better, and with FSR3.0 frame generation like DLSS3, expect even greater improvement in framerate.

[ZAP]

UserNotFound の投稿を引用：

I think the estimate for AMD RDNA3 GPU RT performance is roughly that of higher end Ampere, plus with FRS 2.x (with FSR3.0 incoming), performance with RT enabled in games that have FSR2.x would be better, and with FSR3.0 frame generation like DLSS3, expect even greater improvement in framerate.

I heard 3090 Ti level RT. They were basically half that last generation.