Thoughts on Nvidia's Geforce RTX 4080...

[ZeekAncient]

I was wondering what people thought of the RTX 4080.

I have been reading some initial reviews, and I have some mixed feelings on it myself.

Here are some of the reviews that I have read:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-review

https://www.techspot.com/review/2569-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080/

https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-16gb-review-performance-benchmarks/

I have read some others, but I figured I would post these as their scores vary from one an other and they provide the same important and relevant info as other review you will find.

The consensus is that the 4080 provides excellent gen-on-gen performance increases over the 30 series, and compared to the 4090, is very power efficient, and probably more worth purchasing if you are eyeing resolutions lower than 4K, like 2560 x 1440.

At 4K, it can be less than 30%% less powerful than an RTX 4090, however still a great performer at 4K, outperforming the flagships of the last generation.

However, it seems to be way overpriced. Obviously not a surprise here, as I think everyone was expecting this to be the case. But with the advent of AMD's 7900XTX, and 7900XT, to be released for $999, and $899, respectively, I was wondering what you all thought about the 4080's performance and how it should compare to AMD's RDNA3 offerings.

Some seem to think that even the 7900XTX will fall short of the 4080's overall performance, while others think that AMD's flagship will easily outperform the 4080 in rasteriztion performance, but fall short when it comes to ray tracing.

While most don't seem to care about ray tracing, or upscaling tech for that matter, I for one DO care about ray tracing performance, and love upscaling tech, especially at 4K. Most games nowadays are going to have some kind of ray tracing implemented, and more and more newer titles are going to be implementing it better, and more so. I don't think it will be very long before we see games completely rendered with ray-tracing. And not just older games like Quake II and Portal.

So, I think ray tracing performance is very important, and I don't want my next generation GPU to fall flat in that area. So, that is why I am very curious to see how AMD's next GPUs will perform in that area. I mean, if the 7900XTX can outperform the 4080 in rasterization but then be more on the level of the 40 series midrange cards when ray tracing is implemented, that might turn me off.

And then when it comes to upscaling tech, I am very interested in what DLSS 3.0 has to offer. DLSS 2.0 is already fantastic, but the performance gains that 3.0 seem to be providing, almost seem like a game changer. Considering that DLSS 3.0 can only be used on 40 series cards, unlike FSR which can be used on any card, FSR 3.0 might need to be a game changer as well if I am going to consider buying an AMD card.

I have been on Nvidia a long time, but I will be wanting to upgrade my GPU when I upgrade my display to a 4K 120Hz+ display. The RTX 4090 is just too expensive and too power hungry for me to realistically consider it. And while the 4080 seems to push all the right buttons for me when it comes to performance and power consumption, even it it still uses the 16-pin power connector, that $1199 price tag, and even more when you consider AIB cards, is way too overpriced.

If it would have been $999, or less, I think it would have been a no brainer. But it will be hard to drop $1200 or more on a GPU, when AMD's $999, or even $899, offering provide better rasterization performance. Not too mention more VRam. Even if the ray tracing will not be quite as good, and DLSS 3.0 will be a no no.

I've been impressed by what the specs, and price, of the 7900XTX and XT have shown but I guess now it all depends on how well it will perform in ray tracing and how good, and how well adopted, FSR 3.0 will be. I guess we will have to wait and see in December.

I'm kind of one that would like to stick with Nvidia since I have been there for so long, and it is comfortable for me, even with Nvidia's shady business practices, but $1200 or more for a GPU is just too much to stomach. The 4080 really should have been $200-$300 bucks cheaper. But if AMD falls flat in ray tracing, and FSR 3.0 just can't match the quality of DLSS 3.0, I just can't see myself going the AMD route. Might have to wait for Nvidia to come to their senses and drop their prices....

I might be waiting long....

Anyway, those are my very long two cents on the matter...sorry....

[Jamebonds1]

Publicado originalmente por Seamus:

Publicado originalmente por Jamebonds1:

Will, can, and could are all different. I just said undervolt could stressed component. For example, Integrated circuit.

That's not how voltage control on a video card works.

Undervolting is safe.

Overvolting can be dangerous.

And I told you I said "Could".

When it is too low voltage which is undervolt, then IC or PSU may trying to draw more current which can also overheating some component. It probably won't damage it literally, but it could.

[Seamus]

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This is the second time you've sent me a friend request.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por Seamus:

Publicado originalmente por Jamebonds1:

Will, can, and could are all different. I just said undervolt could stressed component. For example, Integrated circuit.

That's not how voltage control on a video card works.

Undervolting is safe.

Overvolting can be dangerous.

Literally. All of these components have voltage regulators on the boards, they aren’t cheap toasters and microwaves you can pick up at Walmart.

[Jamebonds1]

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Publicado originalmente por Jamebonds1:

And I will still refused being your follower. People can ignore me, why cant you too? They can either accept or not accept my post.

Couldn’t care less about you being a “follower” or not. I would much prefer you just disappear and stop harassing people, including friends of mine, all because they don’t agree with your misguided opinions and so-called facts you derived from making microwaves catch fire.

Sorry? What harassing people? I leave your friends alone.

As I said, you are free to ignore my comment for any time, even unsub or block.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por Jamebonds1:

And I

Publicado originalmente por Seamus:

That's not how voltage control on a video card works.

Undervolting is safe.

Overvolting can be dangerous.

And I told you I said "Could".

When it is too low voltage, then IC or PSU may trying to draw more current which can also overheating some component. It probably won't damage it literally, but it could.

PSUs literally have built-in protections to stop the unit if it presses beyond safe limits on current, and controllers for ICs like a PMIC on the motherboard can adjust for that.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por Jamebonds1:

Publicado originalmente por 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Couldn’t care less about you being a “follower” or not. I would much prefer you just disappear and stop harassing people, including friends of mine, all because they don’t agree with your misguided opinions and so-called facts you derived from making microwaves catch fire.

Sorry? What harassing people? I leave your friends alone.

As I said, you are free to ignore my comment for any time, even unsub or block.

Says the dude that literally leaves dozens of hateful comments on profiles, and then deletes them, you harassed Autumn and Monk for years and accused all of us of being the same person rofl

[Jamebonds1]

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Publicado originalmente por Jamebonds1:

And I


And I told you I said "Could".

When it is too low voltage, then IC or PSU may trying to draw more current which can also overheating some component. It probably won't damage it literally, but it could.

PSUs literally have built-in protections to stop the unit if it presses beyond safe limits on current, and controllers for ICs like a PMIC on the motherboard can adjust for that.

That is why some manufacturer has a power supply tester that include undervolt and overvolt.

Publicado originalmente por 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Publicado originalmente por Jamebonds1:

Sorry? What harassing people? I leave your friends alone.

As I said, you are free to ignore my comment for any time, even unsub or block.

Says the dude that literally leaves dozens of hateful comments on profiles, and then deletes them, you harassed Autumn and Monk for years and accused all of us of being the same person rofl

Yeah? I leave them alone for over a years. For record, I do not get harassment warning.

[ZeekAncient]

Publicado originalmente por 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Publicado originalmente por Seamus:

That's not how voltage control on a video card works.

Undervolting is safe.

Overvolting can be dangerous.

Literally. All of these components have voltage regulators on the boards, they aren’t cheap toasters and microwaves you can pick up at Walmart.

Hey, whoa! Don't be dissing my $80 microwave that I bought at Wal-mart. I love that thing. The popcorn button is perfect. Pops the perfect bag. LMAO!

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por Jamebonds1:

Publicado originalmente por 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

PSUs literally have built-in protections to stop the unit if it presses beyond safe limits on current, and controllers for ICs like a PMIC on the motherboard can adjust for that.

That is why some manufacturer has a power supply tester that include undervolt and overvolt.

Publicado originalmente por 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Says the dude that literally leaves dozens of hateful comments on profiles, and then deletes them, you harassed Autumn and Monk for years and accused all of us of being the same person rofl

Yeah? I leave them alone for over a years.

They don’t even go on the forums anymore because people like you made it a cesspool.

[Jamebonds1]

Publicado originalmente por ZeekAncient:

Publicado originalmente por 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Literally. All of these components have voltage regulators on the boards, they aren’t cheap toasters and microwaves you can pick up at Walmart.

Hey, whoa! Don't be dissing my $80 microwave that I bought at Wal-mart. I love that thing. The popcorn button is perfect. Pops the perfect bag. LMAO!

Like some people teardown the microwave and take out high voltage transformer to play with spark lol.

[Jamebonds1]

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Publicado originalmente por Jamebonds1:

That is why some manufacturer has a power supply tester that include undervolt and overvolt.


Yeah? I leave them alone for over a years.

They don’t even go on the forums anymore because people like you made it a cesspool.

As I said, people like you could have ignore my comment. That is what block or unsub is for.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por Jamebonds1:

Publicado originalmente por 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

PSUs literally have built-in protections to stop the unit if it presses beyond safe limits on current, and controllers for ICs like a PMIC on the motherboard can adjust for that.

That is why some manufacturer has a power supply tester that include undervolt and overvolt.

Publicado originalmente por 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Says the dude that literally leaves dozens of hateful comments on profiles, and then deletes them, you harassed Autumn and Monk for years and accused all of us of being the same person rofl

Yeah? I leave them alone for over a years. For record, I do not get harassment warning.

Undervolting only becomes an issue if you go too low, that’s a fact, people don’t need to drop their voltage by much and most often they stick to a voltage that it normally runs regardless.

[ZeekAncient]

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Undervolting is the new overclocking, because OC headroom is basically gone without dropping thousands into a huge custom loop or LN2.

It helps reduce power consumption, and undervolted 4090 is the best deal you can get because you can make it quite efficient with minimal performance loss.

See, I get how it would make sense with something like a 4090? But would it make sense on my 3070 Ti?

See, I was still able to get about the same OC on my 3070 TI, as I have always got with my past GPUs. A lot of people say that OCing headroom is gone on GPUs, but I don't think it has. Maybe to some degree. But I was still able to get an extra 10 to 15% increase in performance on GPU and that is on top of the factory OC.

I have always been able to get that on my GPUs. Perhaps maybe a tad more in the past. But not really. And I overclocked my 3070 Ti the same way I overclocked my 1070 Ti, my 1070s, my 980 Ti, my 570, and my 460. So, I don't see where undervolting would make sense on my 3070 Ti. If I was trying to decrease thermals and fan noise, while still getting the same performance as stock? Or perhaps if someone has a SFF PC and is worried about thermals and throttling? I have pretty good airflow, and my temps stay low because of my custom fan profiles, so my boost clocks stay pretty high. So, I don't know if it is something that would be worth to try out with my 3070 Ti.

[Seamus]

Publicado originalmente por Jamebonds1:

And I told you I said "Could".

When it is too low voltage which is undervolt, then IC or PSU may trying to draw more current which can also overheating some component. It probably won't damage it literally, but it could.

It "could". If you're using an absolute dumpster tier piece of hardware with no voltage regulation.

That doesn't apply to modern gpus.

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por ZeekAncient:

Publicado originalmente por 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Undervolting is the new overclocking, because OC headroom is basically gone without dropping thousands into a huge custom loop or LN2.

It helps reduce power consumption, and undervolted 4090 is the best deal you can get because you can make it quite efficient with minimal performance loss.

See, I get how it would make sense with something like a 4090? But would it make sense on my 3070 Ti?

See, I was still able to get about the same OC on my 3070 TI, as I have always got with my past GPUs. A lot of people say that OCing headroom is gone on GPUs, but I don't think it has. Maybe to some degree. But I was still able to get an extra 10 to 15% increase in performance on GPU and that is on top of the factory OC.

I have always been able to get that on my GPUs. Perhaps maybe a tad more in the past. But not really. And I overclocked my 3070 Ti the same way I overclocked my 1070 Ti, my 1070s, my 980 Ti, my 570, and my 460. So, I don't see where undervolting would make sense on my 3070 Ti. If I was trying to decrease thermals and fan noise, while still getting the same performance as stock? Or perhaps if someone has a SFF PC and is worried about thermals and throttling? I have pretty good airflow, and my temps stay low because of my custom fan profiles, so my boost clocks stay pretty high. So, I don't know if it is something that would be worth to try out with my 3070 Ti.

If you want to reduce temps and noise it’s fine for any GPU, just as long as it’s stable