Thoughts on Nvidia's Geforce RTX 4080...

[ZeekAncient]

I was wondering what people thought of the RTX 4080.

I have been reading some initial reviews, and I have some mixed feelings on it myself.

Here are some of the reviews that I have read:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-review

https://www.techspot.com/review/2569-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080/

https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-16gb-review-performance-benchmarks/

I have read some others, but I figured I would post these as their scores vary from one an other and they provide the same important and relevant info as other review you will find.

The consensus is that the 4080 provides excellent gen-on-gen performance increases over the 30 series, and compared to the 4090, is very power efficient, and probably more worth purchasing if you are eyeing resolutions lower than 4K, like 2560 x 1440.

At 4K, it can be less than 30%% less powerful than an RTX 4090, however still a great performer at 4K, outperforming the flagships of the last generation.

However, it seems to be way overpriced. Obviously not a surprise here, as I think everyone was expecting this to be the case. But with the advent of AMD's 7900XTX, and 7900XT, to be released for $999, and $899, respectively, I was wondering what you all thought about the 4080's performance and how it should compare to AMD's RDNA3 offerings.

Some seem to think that even the 7900XTX will fall short of the 4080's overall performance, while others think that AMD's flagship will easily outperform the 4080 in rasteriztion performance, but fall short when it comes to ray tracing.

While most don't seem to care about ray tracing, or upscaling tech for that matter, I for one DO care about ray tracing performance, and love upscaling tech, especially at 4K. Most games nowadays are going to have some kind of ray tracing implemented, and more and more newer titles are going to be implementing it better, and more so. I don't think it will be very long before we see games completely rendered with ray-tracing. And not just older games like Quake II and Portal.

So, I think ray tracing performance is very important, and I don't want my next generation GPU to fall flat in that area. So, that is why I am very curious to see how AMD's next GPUs will perform in that area. I mean, if the 7900XTX can outperform the 4080 in rasterization but then be more on the level of the 40 series midrange cards when ray tracing is implemented, that might turn me off.

And then when it comes to upscaling tech, I am very interested in what DLSS 3.0 has to offer. DLSS 2.0 is already fantastic, but the performance gains that 3.0 seem to be providing, almost seem like a game changer. Considering that DLSS 3.0 can only be used on 40 series cards, unlike FSR which can be used on any card, FSR 3.0 might need to be a game changer as well if I am going to consider buying an AMD card.

I have been on Nvidia a long time, but I will be wanting to upgrade my GPU when I upgrade my display to a 4K 120Hz+ display. The RTX 4090 is just too expensive and too power hungry for me to realistically consider it. And while the 4080 seems to push all the right buttons for me when it comes to performance and power consumption, even it it still uses the 16-pin power connector, that $1199 price tag, and even more when you consider AIB cards, is way too overpriced.

If it would have been $999, or less, I think it would have been a no brainer. But it will be hard to drop $1200 or more on a GPU, when AMD's $999, or even $899, offering provide better rasterization performance. Not too mention more VRam. Even if the ray tracing will not be quite as good, and DLSS 3.0 will be a no no.

I've been impressed by what the specs, and price, of the 7900XTX and XT have shown but I guess now it all depends on how well it will perform in ray tracing and how good, and how well adopted, FSR 3.0 will be. I guess we will have to wait and see in December.

I'm kind of one that would like to stick with Nvidia since I have been there for so long, and it is comfortable for me, even with Nvidia's shady business practices, but $1200 or more for a GPU is just too much to stomach. The 4080 really should have been $200-$300 bucks cheaper. But if AMD falls flat in ray tracing, and FSR 3.0 just can't match the quality of DLSS 3.0, I just can't see myself going the AMD route. Might have to wait for Nvidia to come to their senses and drop their prices....

I might be waiting long....

Anyway, those are my very long two cents on the matter...sorry....

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

I can't find a good value in this new series. I honestly can't think of even one reason to try and get one of these.

For me it's a forgetful series.

[Illusion of Progress]

Hardʬare Hero původně napsal:

I can't find a good value in this new series. I honestly can't think of even one reason to try and get one of these.

For me it's a forgetful series.

To be fair, not that I'm defending it, but the RTX 40 series currently only has two SKUs, the very high end and the high end. One is one of the worst values nVidia has released in recent times, and the other is "okay" (but looks better because of the state of the surrounding GPU market, at least nVidia's own part of it) but is at a price point that is too high for most.

And given the RTX 30 series was overproduced to meet a now gone infinite demand, it means the RTX 40 series is more complimenting the RTX 30 series by sitting atop it, rather than intending to replacing it. So I would expect value from the RTX 40 series any time soon.

[ZeekAncient]

Honestly, I really like the RTX 4080...as a product, and as a GPU. Just looking at benchmarks, it really is what I am looking for in a GPU. Especially at 4K. But I guess the 4090 does that as well but man is it power hungry. And those unreliable 16 pin adapters, yuck!!!

But the 4080 has the performance I am looking for, awesome power consumption in relation to last gen, and the thermals are great.

It is just ruined by that price tag. Way too high!. If it would have been closer to the MSRP of the 3080 at launch, I would have said, "Awesome, great gen on gen performance increase. Great GPU!"

But as it stands, it is just too much. Even $1000 would have been too high for this card. Knock $400 off and we will talk.

Really hoping that AMD brings something great to the table in December. Even if to just kick Nvidia in the ass a bit. We all know that the 7900 XTX will not trounce the 4090, but if the performance can be on par with the 4080, that would be awesome.

However, specs aside, initial perceptions are mixed. Some think that it will just be shy of the 4080 in overall performance, while some seem to think it will trounce it in rasterization, but fall short in ray tracing.

Ray tracing for me is the unknown quantifier that will determine if I jump over to AMD or not. If performance is great, and ray tracing good enough that I will still get decent frames at 4K, I will probably get a 7900 XTX. However, if its rasterization performance is great and we are talking ray tracing performance that still can't equal what a 3080 or 3090 can do, I will still be looking toward Nvidia.

We shall see in December I guess.

[r.linder]

ZeekAncient původně napsal:

Honestly, I really like the RTX 4080...as a product, and as a GPU. Just looking at benchmarks, it really is what I am looking for in a GPU. Especially at 4K. But I guess the 4090 does that as well but man is it power hungry. And those unreliable 16 pin adapters, yuck!!!

But the 4080 has the performance I am looking for, awesome power consumption in relation to last gen, and the thermals are great.

It is just ruined by that price tag. Way too high!. If it would have been closer to the MSRP of the 3080 at launch, I would have said, "Awesome, great gen on gen performance increase. Great GPU!"

But as it stands, it is just too much. Even $1000 would have been to high for this card. Knock $400 and we will talk.

Really hoping that AMD brings something great to the table in December. Even if to just kick Nvidia in the ass a bit. We all know that the 7900 XTX will not trounce the 4090, but if the performance can be on par with the 4080, that would be awesome.

However, specs aside, initial perceptions are mixed. Some think that it will just be shy of the 4080 in overall performance, while some seem to think it will trounce it in rasterization, but fall short in ray tracing.

Ray tracing for me is the unknown quantifier that will determine if I jump over to AMD or not. If performance is great, and ray tracing good enough that I will still get decent frames at 4K, I will probably get a 7900 XTX. However, if its rasterization performance is great and we are talking ray tracing performance that still can't equal what a 3080 or 3090 can do, I will still be looking toward Nvidia.

We shall see in December I guess.

If they had kept the MSRP between 700 and 900 (700 was the MSRP for the 3080) then the card would have been a bigger hit. It also doesn't even need the 16-pin connector because you can get it down to using only around 250W without really losing anything, it's actually quite power efficient considering it's up to 30% faster than a 3090 Ti, which can use up to twice that.

[ZeekAncient]

尺．し工几句ヨ尺 původně napsal:

If they had kept the MSRP between 700 and 900 (700 was the MSRP for the 3080) then the card would have been a bigger hit. It also doesn't even need the 16-pin connector because you can get it down to using only around 250W without really losing anything, it's actually quite power efficient considering it's up to 30% faster than a 3090 Ti, which can use up to twice that.

Power consumption and thermals are what really make the 4080 stand out IMO. Like you said, considering it is 30% more powerful than a 3090 Ti, but can use less power than a 3080, that is amazing.

And considering that most of the cards are still using the same GPU shroud around the PCB as the 4090, it is allowing the 4080 to have great thermals. True these GPUs are big, but I already have an EVGA RTX 3070 Ti which is pretty big, so technically these GPUs aren't that much bigger.

Man I just wish the price was so much better. I already spent $800 on my 3070 Ti last year, and I told myself I wasn't going to overspend on a GPU like that again. True, that it was during a shortage and a lot of scalpers were selling the 3070 TI for well over $1000 at the time, but there is no shortage anymore, and I can get a 3080 Ti now for what I paid for my 3070 Ti. Even less for a 6900 or 6950XT.

No, $1200 or more for a 4080 is just too much.

[Illusion of Progress]

Agreed, the RTX 4080 would have been rather great at $699 to $799, but between increasing manufacturing costs (TSMC charging more, large monolithic chips being expensive, part of the chip being devoted to RTX and not helping rasterized performance, etc.), inflation, and last but definitely not least (probably the most important actually), there's the old RTX 30 series supply needing to sell without being so cheap it becomes a big loss for nVidia. Blame the cryptocurrency demand for that one. That's all why the RTX 4080 can't be cheaper than it is. I almost wonder why it even exists, but with people showing they are willing to pay above MSRP for the RTX 4090, it did leave a rather large gap for something to fit into even shorter term. And by being an intentionally bad value, it makes the other stuff around it look that much better than it is.

I just made a post in the other thread, but I said there that I wouldn't be surprised if after the RTX 30 series stuff sells, the price of the RTX 4080 would be able to drop, and then you might see the RTX 4080 Ti appear around the price the RTX 4080 is now.

I'm not sure how nVidia's mid-range will shape up but that's also likely not coming until much later anyway. It's really looking like AMD will retain their better price to (rasterized) performance offering, so unless ray tracing is important, or you have some intangible reason/preference for nVidia, I think AMD might be the better option for cost conscious buyers this generation. The RTX 4090 will be good for those wanting the outright best (well, presuming the whole connector thing is sorted, but I haven't been following it to see what the deal with it is).

[ZAP]

Illusion of Progress původně napsal:

(well, presuming the whole connector thing is sorted, but I haven't been following it to see what the deal with it is).

The PCI Group is scrapping the connector and Nvidia now has another lawsuit. These cards will never be in full spec in the future of any standard, ie proprietary plug never to be seen again.

[Komarimaru]

ZAP původně napsal:

Illusion of Progress původně napsal:

(well, presuming the whole connector thing is sorted, but I haven't been following it to see what the deal with it is).

The PCI Group is scrapping the connector and Nvidia now has another lawsuit. These cards will never be in full spec in the future of any standard, ie proprietary plug never to be seen again.

Not scrapped, revised.
https://static.tweaktown.com/news/8/9/89428_04_pci-sig-now-considering-changes-to-problematic-12vhpwr-connector_full.jpg

Oddly just extending the sense pins back and giving a grip on them. Nothing high power goes through them, so a bit of a weird design change.

[Crawl]

ZAP původně napsal:

Illusion of Progress původně napsal:

(well, presuming the whole connector thing is sorted, but I haven't been following it to see what the deal with it is).

The PCI Group is scrapping the connector and Nvidia now has another lawsuit. These cards will never be in full spec in the future of any standard, ie proprietary plug never to be seen again.

In the US you can sue anyone for any reason, doesn't mean you are going to win. The fact that there were only about 50 cases world wide (about .04% of sales), they have proof of user error in most if not all of those cases and they are also still replacing those cards even though it was user error tells me that lawsuit is going nowhere.

The revision to the sense pins is so that they will not make contact if the adapter isn't fully plugged in and thus that card will not power on. They have to try and make it idiot proof since some people can't manage to fully seat a plug and make sure the retention clip is engaged.

[Pocahawtness]

Well, they aren't selling.

Outlets are reporting that the 4090 sold out in 1 day.

The 4080 has sold about 1/3 of the stock in the first week.

In other words, it's a universal "no thanks" from gamers.

The card is way, way too expensive.

[Komarimaru]

Pirate☠️Pocah původně napsal:

Well, they aren't selling.

Outlets are reporting that the 4090 sold out in 1 day.

The 4080 has sold about 1/3 of the stock in the first week.

In other words, it's a universal "no thanks" from gamers.

The card is way, way too expensive.

Well, I mean... if AMD's event showed, buying a 4080 is a waste of money with the 7900XT and 7900XTX coming out.

Why buy a 4080, if the 7900XTX is not only cheaper, but probably faster? lol

[Pocahawtness]

Komarimaru původně napsal:

Pirate☠️Pocah původně napsal:

Well, they aren't selling.

Outlets are reporting that the 4090 sold out in 1 day.

The 4080 has sold about 1/3 of the stock in the first week.

In other words, it's a universal "no thanks" from gamers.

The card is way, way too expensive.

Well, I mean... if AMD's event showed, buying a 4080 is a waste of money with the 7900XT and 7900XTX coming out.

Why buy a 4080, if the 7900XTX is not only cheaper, but probably faster? lol

I find I have a real problem when an "upgrade" costs $1000+

But at least AMD are cheaper, and you are right, I think the wise money will be with AMD this time around.

Apparently, AMD have some sort of sale of the previous generation cards and they are outselling NVIDIA on those too.

[AmaiAmai]

"Lossless compression" = oxymoron of the century.

That said, what do I think about the 4080?

1. Overpriced, esp. at a time when the economy is trash in many countries

2. As long as Nvidia's Linux support is pathetic, so are their offerings.

3. I'd get more bang for my buck "leveling up" to a handheld so I don't have to worry about chasing FPS like a drone.

4. Speaking of handhelds, I can build a fairly powerful one myself for that price -- at least better than anything on the market, or get one already made and modded and be happier than purchasing a card that does the same thing every other one does except with more marketing BS.

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REAL OPINION:

Typically I would only buy cards up until a certain dollar value because a GPU's value, ignoring the mining boom, almost always depreciates with time just like every other electronic purchase.

To make matters worse, you already know there is something better that Nvidia has but simply won't release because they want to make money, so why be in a rush to buy anything on the market if what you have already works?

Unless you get a service where you can "swap up" I find it incredibly stupid to chase the latest and greatest, even if I were a billionaire I wouldn't do it -- and they wouldn't do it either UNLESS there was a 100%+ uplift in power efficiency AND performance.

But that's not what is happening here, it's more akin to what is happening with Qualcomm Snapdragons. Offering the same performance where it matters most, but the "top" looks a little different. And that is not really a generational leap IMO, despite what anyone claims or says.

I don't fall for marketing and I don't care for it either. To make me move my money, NV better fix their crappy Linux and BSD support esp. when it comes to virtualization, compute, or other advanced tasks.

As long as they don't do that, they won't get a penny from me unless Nvidia can excel at power-performance in a way that makes sense. So far the scaling is unimpressive to me, and it's essentially e-waste when the 4080 ti or SUPER comes out, and also bad it's using an outdated spec 1.4 .

Doesn't sound worth a premium to me.

For a premium price, better be premium everything

[r.linder]

Pirate☠️Pocah původně napsal:

Well, they aren't selling.

Outlets are reporting that the 4090 sold out in 1 day.

The 4080 has sold about 1/3 of the stock in the first week.

In other words, it's a universal "no thanks" from gamers.

The card is way, way too expensive.

There's dozens of 4080s sitting on shelves in each Micro Center in the US, pretty much

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Technically it`s actually decent card with better performance and less power draw then RTX 3090 Ti but price is just terrible. It should cost $700-800 max.