Thoughts on Nvidia's Geforce RTX 4080...

[ZeekAncient]

I was wondering what people thought of the RTX 4080.

I have been reading some initial reviews, and I have some mixed feelings on it myself.

Here are some of the reviews that I have read:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-review

https://www.techspot.com/review/2569-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080/

https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-16gb-review-performance-benchmarks/

I have read some others, but I figured I would post these as their scores vary from one an other and they provide the same important and relevant info as other review you will find.

The consensus is that the 4080 provides excellent gen-on-gen performance increases over the 30 series, and compared to the 4090, is very power efficient, and probably more worth purchasing if you are eyeing resolutions lower than 4K, like 2560 x 1440.

At 4K, it can be less than 30%% less powerful than an RTX 4090, however still a great performer at 4K, outperforming the flagships of the last generation.

However, it seems to be way overpriced. Obviously not a surprise here, as I think everyone was expecting this to be the case. But with the advent of AMD's 7900XTX, and 7900XT, to be released for $999, and $899, respectively, I was wondering what you all thought about the 4080's performance and how it should compare to AMD's RDNA3 offerings.

Some seem to think that even the 7900XTX will fall short of the 4080's overall performance, while others think that AMD's flagship will easily outperform the 4080 in rasteriztion performance, but fall short when it comes to ray tracing.

While most don't seem to care about ray tracing, or upscaling tech for that matter, I for one DO care about ray tracing performance, and love upscaling tech, especially at 4K. Most games nowadays are going to have some kind of ray tracing implemented, and more and more newer titles are going to be implementing it better, and more so. I don't think it will be very long before we see games completely rendered with ray-tracing. And not just older games like Quake II and Portal.

So, I think ray tracing performance is very important, and I don't want my next generation GPU to fall flat in that area. So, that is why I am very curious to see how AMD's next GPUs will perform in that area. I mean, if the 7900XTX can outperform the 4080 in rasterization but then be more on the level of the 40 series midrange cards when ray tracing is implemented, that might turn me off.

And then when it comes to upscaling tech, I am very interested in what DLSS 3.0 has to offer. DLSS 2.0 is already fantastic, but the performance gains that 3.0 seem to be providing, almost seem like a game changer. Considering that DLSS 3.0 can only be used on 40 series cards, unlike FSR which can be used on any card, FSR 3.0 might need to be a game changer as well if I am going to consider buying an AMD card.

I have been on Nvidia a long time, but I will be wanting to upgrade my GPU when I upgrade my display to a 4K 120Hz+ display. The RTX 4090 is just too expensive and too power hungry for me to realistically consider it. And while the 4080 seems to push all the right buttons for me when it comes to performance and power consumption, even it it still uses the 16-pin power connector, that $1199 price tag, and even more when you consider AIB cards, is way too overpriced.

If it would have been $999, or less, I think it would have been a no brainer. But it will be hard to drop $1200 or more on a GPU, when AMD's $999, or even $899, offering provide better rasterization performance. Not too mention more VRam. Even if the ray tracing will not be quite as good, and DLSS 3.0 will be a no no.

I've been impressed by what the specs, and price, of the 7900XTX and XT have shown but I guess now it all depends on how well it will perform in ray tracing and how good, and how well adopted, FSR 3.0 will be. I guess we will have to wait and see in December.

I'm kind of one that would like to stick with Nvidia since I have been there for so long, and it is comfortable for me, even with Nvidia's shady business practices, but $1200 or more for a GPU is just too much to stomach. The 4080 really should have been $200-$300 bucks cheaper. But if AMD falls flat in ray tracing, and FSR 3.0 just can't match the quality of DLSS 3.0, I just can't see myself going the AMD route. Might have to wait for Nvidia to come to their senses and drop their prices....

I might be waiting long....

Anyway, those are my very long two cents on the matter...sorry....

[Pocahawtness]

引用自 A&A：

...Nvidia's new RTX 4080 isn't overpriced ...

I think you are the only person on the planet who thinks that.

[Illusion of Progress]

To repeat my opinion for nearly the last month now...

引用自 Illusion of Progress：

I'm glad many people are starting to realize this and not being blinded by the recent distraction that was the former RTX 4080 12 GB. I've been saying that things were strongly suggesting that the RTX 4080 16 GB was no less of a disappointment. The RTX 4080 12 GB was going to exist largely to make the RTX 4080 16 look less bad, which itself exists for a similar reason to try to push the smarter buyers to the RTX 30 series oversupply OR the RTX 4090, while itself only being consumed by the... "more dollars than sense" buyers. That was my stance then and it's been my stance after seeing (more) final performance numbers.

It's one of nVidia's worst products in recent times, maybe period.

It might be a different discussion if it was $699 to $899 (no more). Or it might be a different discussion if it was priced where it is but performed where the RTX 4090 does (with the RTX 4090 therefore being something a little more).

But, neither of those are what it is. Instead, it's (what should be) an RTX x70, with an RTX x80 name, at (what should be) RTX x90 pricing.

It's literally a product that is SO glaringly bad that it almost has arrows all over it pointing to nVidia's more expensive RTX 4090, or nVidia's oversupply of RTX 30 series products, and you'd have to be... let's say "blind" not to see it and choose it above literally ANY other option. It's THAT obvious that it's THAT bad of a product. But despite the backlash, with nVidia's influence, I expect there's enough "more money than sense" consumers to allow nVidia to double dip on the situation by having it serve its real purpose of pushing those other products while ALSO selling well enough itself.

[A&A]

引用自 Pirate☠️Pocah：

引用自 A&A：

...Nvidia's new RTX 4080 isn't overpriced ...

I think you are the only person on the planet who thinks that.

Good luck finding RTX 4090 under 2000$
At least the 4080 can be found near MSRP

[Crawl]

引用自 Rodders：

No DP 2.1 no buy. Just about to enter a new era of high end displays with 8k Ultrawide starting it of in January. And LG prepping 27 inch panels if they are 4k 165hz or 4k 240hz that means Nvidia cant come play... Only AMD users will be able to enjoy new displays.

Wrong. DP 1.4 can do 4k 240hz as long as the display supports DSC and any high end display should.

[Illusion of Progress]

引用自 A&A：

引用自 Pirate☠️Pocah：

I think you are the only person on the planet who thinks that.

Good luck finding RTX 4090 under 2000$
At least the 4080 can be found near MSRP

Yeah, that's the conundrum. The RTX 4090 is very likely a very low volume part, so when consumers who WOULD be looking at it can't get it, the RTX 4080 becomes the next best thing (in performance alone).

I would imagine the RTX 4080 is only going for closer to MSRP than the RTX 4090 because the latter is a better value when both are at MSRP, so there's more room that the latter can move above that before falling to the same point the RTX 4080 is already at. Also, the higher the price, the more you are in the "money is no object" consumer territory, so I think the RTX 4090 being above MSRP when the less expensive RTX 4080 may not be is a poor example of why the "normal high end" should accept such a ridiculous value.

Higher end cards get more attention, but it's not what most people buy. The implication is that this is how nVidia helps normalize a higher new normal for everyone; by starting at the top and getting it normalized there and then trickling it down. If the RTX 4080 doesn't even make people flinch, don't be surprised if the RTX 4060 Ti (the former RTX 4080 12 GB) comes out and is called an RTX 4070/4070 Ti at RTX 4080 pricing. After all, that's still a small step better than what they literally just attempted with it. At this rate the x60 wouldn't shock me if it was such a cut down chip that would be an x50 in any other timeline, yet priced at $599 to $649+.

[DeadBeat]

引用自 A&A：

Good luck finding RTX 4090 under 2000$
At least the 4080 can be found near MSRP

In my view for a non Ti version even at MSRP it isn't worth the asking price.

[r.linder]

If NVIDIA hadn't raised the price, AMD would be screwed.

[Zef]

I'm going to back to AMD for the first time in over 10 years.

Nvidia needs to be humbled a bit. 4090's are selling for 3000EUR in europe. ♥♥♥♥ nvidia

7900XTX gang

[SinCanDory]

引用自 zef：

I'm going to back to AMD for the first time in over 10 years.

Nvidia needs to be humbled a bit. 4090's are selling for 3000EUR in europe. ♥♥♥♥ nvidia

7900XTX gang

4090 goes for 2500-2700€ and 4080 goes for 2000-2200€ depending on the model. Totally pass.

[Rod]

引用自 Crawl：

引用自 Rodders：

No DP 2.1 no buy. Just about to enter a new era of high end displays with 8k Ultrawide starting it of in January. And LG prepping 27 inch panels if they are 4k 165hz or 4k 240hz that means Nvidia cant come play... Only AMD users will be able to enjoy new displays.

Wrong. DP 1.4 can do 4k 240hz as long as the display supports DSC and any high end display should.

Who the hell wants thier image compressed? And what makes you sure the 8k Ultrawides will support DSC? They made a big point of 8k Ultrawide and 4k 240hz. Would i buy a GPU at those prices with DP 1.4 and compress the image? No i respect myself more than that and i will bet no displays support DSC either.

[Crawl]

引用自 Rodders：

引用自 Crawl：

Wrong. DP 1.4 can do 4k 240hz as long as the display supports DSC and any high end display should.

Who the hell wants thier image compressed? And what makes you sure the 8k Ultrawides will support DSC? They made a big point of 8k Ultrawide and 4k 240hz. Would i buy a GPU at those prices with DP 1.4 and compress the image? No i respect myself more than that.

DSC is a lossless compression so there is no change to image quality. You are trying to create an issue where there isn't one.

[Rod]

引用自 Crawl：

引用自 Rodders：

Who the hell wants thier image compressed? And what makes you sure the 8k Ultrawides will support DSC? They made a big point of 8k Ultrawide and 4k 240hz. Would i buy a GPU at those prices with DP 1.4 and compress the image? No i respect myself more than that.

DSC is a lossless compression so there is no change to image quality. You are trying to create an issue where there isn't one.

The monitors are likely not going to support DSC though, If DSC is so good why bother? I dont believe compression can be lossless thats marketing bs. It makes zero sense in reality and ill wager no new displays add support. The AW3423DW did not have DSC.

[A&A]

DSC will cause a little extra latency and quality loss, but we're already losing in the quality and latency because of DLSS, FSR, and the other scaling technologies.

[Crawl]

引用自 Rodders：

引用自 Crawl：

DSC is a lossless compression so there is no change to image quality. You are trying to create an issue where there isn't one.

The monitors are likely not going to support DSC though, If DSC is so good why bother? I dont believe compression can be lossless thats marketing bs. It makes zero sense in reality and ill wager no new displays add support. The AW3423DW did not have DSC.

I didn't realize you had inside information on what future monitors will and will not support. The nice thing about facts is it doesn't matter if you believe them or not they don't change. As for the AW3423DW its a 1440p 175hz display which DP 1.4 can already do so DSC isn't needed.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Also you need to dig deeper into how that all works. As it's possible that the compression of image only occurs for the means of faster digital signal transit.