SilentAegis 2022 年 7 月 21 日 下午 10:41
Thinking of Upgrading, Need Advice (Closed)
I should preface the fact that I am inexperienced with computer hardware, which is largely why I'm here, heh. I haven't even thought about this stuff in years.

I'd like to have a setup that can easily handle games like Skyrim, Fallout 4, etc, but heavily modded with graphical enhancements (2k, mostly). I've been thinking about grabbing myself an SSD and an RTX 3070 or some such on my machine, but said machine is pretty dated. I got it back around 2016, as the specs should reflect:

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz 4.00 GHz
RAM: 16.0 GB
GPU: Geforce GTX 1080
Motherboard: ASUS Z170-K DDR4

I don't know what my power supply is, but assume it's from around that same time. Saw the words "High Power" and "80 plus" through the glass if that means anything, and it gives 600W.

Are these compatible with newer cards? Can I just buy an RTX 30-whatever, install it, and be good to go, or are these so out of date, I'm better off just getting a new setup? Yeah, something new is more expensive, but assume that's not a problem. Would something totally new be "better" or is that unnecessary and I can just slap on a new and nice card and fast hard-drive and everything will work?
最後修改者:SilentAegis; 2022 年 7 月 22 日 下午 2:18
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EDIT: I've also done some research, I don't think my power supply can support a card above a 3060. Every store I'm finding says 3070 or higher needs at least 650-750. Now I'm heavily leaning towards waiting and upgrading by next year instead. It seems like the safer option.

Most current GPUs have the "feature" of consumption spikes. Meaning they may ant 2-3x their nominal draw for a few millisecs. That the PSU may not be ready to fill, leading to system reset. Or something worse. I would be cautious to use old PSU with them even it it matches the recommended wattage.

As for the upgrade, we're just facing major changes. Ram is switching to DDR5 and amd moving to AM5 socket. What you buy now is dead end (more than usually). And who decides to pick the end of the old gen instead of risking the start of the new (it takes some time while the mobo vendors iron out the kinks) -- it's best done when the new gen is already on the market and enjoy massive price drop while the stock lasts.
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Bing Chilling 2022 年 7 月 21 日 下午 10:54 
how much do you want to spend?
also do you want 60fps? 120? 144? etc etc..
you mentioned you want to play at 2k aswel

lastly are you looking just to buy a graphics card? or do you want to upgrade
your CPU aswell?



all really depends on what experience you are looking for,what you can spend and what games you would like to play.
最後修改者:Bing Chilling; 2022 年 7 月 21 日 下午 10:56
SilentAegis 2022 年 7 月 21 日 下午 10:59 
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how much do you want to spend?
also do you want 60fps? 120? 144? etc etc..
you mentioned you want to play at 2k aswel

lastly are you looking just to buy a graphics card? or do you want to upgrade
your CPU aswell?



all really depends on what experience you are looking for and what you can spend.

In order:

Cost isn't a problem. If I can just buy the new card and an SSD, the limit is $1k.

60-120, preferably. But I want that to be stable, few dips, even if numerous enemies are on the screen. At the very least, I don't want it going below 40-50.

I am just looking to buy a graphics card. I will only upgrade my CPU if I have to.
SilentAegis 2022 年 7 月 21 日 下午 11:03 
With the set-up listed above, I can play Skyrim SE with mods that improve textures, ENBs, mods that improve meshes, etc, etc and with ReShade (added on with my choice) using the following guide: https://thephoenixflavour.com/tpf/introduction/ and of course, an ENB of my choice too.

EDIT: lol, the guide is now considered outdated, it wasn't when I used it

My frames are about 40-60 outdoors, but this can dip into 30, which I do not like, when combat gets a bit crazy. Then there's long loading screens and sometimes, when my character is sprinting/jogging, the game will freeze for a quick second before resuming. Without changing anything or trying to make everything in the game 4K or something, I just want that to stop and be mostly very smooth. I like the game to be a mix of looking nice enough to take screenshots of, but not so nice that it affects gameplay too much.

Instead of looking for things that sacrifice how it looks, I'd rather just upgrade.
最後修改者:SilentAegis; 2022 年 7 月 21 日 下午 11:07
Bing Chilling 2022 年 7 月 21 日 下午 11:09 
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how much do you want to spend?
also do you want 60fps? 120? 144? etc etc..
you mentioned you want to play at 2k aswel

lastly are you looking just to buy a graphics card? or do you want to upgrade
your CPU aswell?



all really depends on what experience you are looking for and what you can spend.

In order:

Cost isn't a problem. If I can just buy the new card and an SSD, the limit is $1k.

60-120, preferably. But I want that to be stable, few dips, even if numerous enemies are on the screen. At the very least, I don't want it going below 40-50.

I am just looking to buy a graphics card. I will only upgrade my CPU if I have to.
okay
so a few other questions

do you already have a high refreshrate monitor?
if you would prefer 120fps then i would suggest getting one (g-sync or free sync are also great additions but do add a decent amount to the cost of a monitor, i'd also suggest an IPS panel for optimal image quality)

another thing to mention is depending on the game you play
your CPU "may" hold you back from reaching 120fps
for example battlefront 2 (EA) or any of the more recent battlefields .
that is not to say it "wont run well" you just may struggle to hit 120fps all the time on
games with big player counts.

then, if you are including the SSD in the 1 thousand dollar budget. what size of an
ssd are you wanting aswel as, do you want a SATA ssd or a nvme m.2
(nvme SSD's are more expensive, but are faster, that said for gaming they actually aren't a huge improvement over standard 2.5inch sata ssd)

lastly. what currency do you use? USD? CAD? AUR? etc etc
aswel, do you prefer amazon? newegg? or do you not care?
i should also ask, what power supply you have.
SilentAegis 2022 年 7 月 21 日 下午 11:19 
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In order:

Cost isn't a problem. If I can just buy the new card and an SSD, the limit is $1k.

60-120, preferably. But I want that to be stable, few dips, even if numerous enemies are on the screen. At the very least, I don't want it going below 40-50.

I am just looking to buy a graphics card. I will only upgrade my CPU if I have to.
okay
so a few other questions

do you already have a high refreshrate monitor?
if you would prefer 120fps then i would suggest getting one (g-sync or free sync are also great additions but do add a decent amount to the cost of a monitor, i'd also suggest an IPS panel for optimal image quality)

another thing to mention is depending on the game you play
your CPU "may" hold you back from reaching 120fps
for example battlefront 2 (EA) or any of the more recent battlefields .
that is not to say it "wont run well" you just may struggle to hit 120fps all the time on
games with big player counts.

then, if you are including the SSD in the 1 thousand dollar budget. what size of an
ssd are you wanting aswel as, do you want a SATA ssd or a nvme m.2
(nvme SSD's are more expensive, but are faster, that said for gaming they actually aren't a huge improvement over standard 2.5inch sata ssd)

lastly. what currency do you use? USD? CAD? AUR? etc etc
aswel, do you prefer amazon? newegg? or do you not care?
i should also ask, what power supply you have.

Monitor is: Asus Designo MX279HS Monitor - 27" Full HD (1920x1080), IPS LED with 178° Wide-View, Frameless, 1080P, Low Blue Light Eye Care HDMI VGA,Silver/Black

So... I don't really know, but hopefully that answers your question.

Fortunately, the games I have an interest in playing are single player only. I just want a modded Skyrim SE setup, modded Fallout 4, and a game that's already very easy to run, it being The Sims 4. Multiplayer isn't my thing and I have no interest in playing anything else on my PC except for those.

SSD I want is 2TB, if that's what you mean by size. I don't know the difference between "SATA" and "NVME m.2". Remember, you're talking to someone VERY new at this. :P You can assume I don't really care. Anything would be better than my current HDD. From checking a lot of stores, they usually go for around $200 USD, which answers your currency question.

I do not care which store it comes from, as long as it's reliable.

I don't know what my power supply is, I'll have to open the case, but I did add in as many details for it as I could find in my original post. If that isn't enough, I'll can answer that tomorrow.
最後修改者:SilentAegis; 2022 年 7 月 21 日 下午 11:26
Bing Chilling 2022 年 7 月 21 日 下午 11:28 
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okay
so a few other questions

do you already have a high refreshrate monitor?
if you would prefer 120fps then i would suggest getting one (g-sync or free sync are also great additions but do add a decent amount to the cost of a monitor, i'd also suggest an IPS panel for optimal image quality)

another thing to mention is depending on the game you play
your CPU "may" hold you back from reaching 120fps
for example battlefront 2 (EA) or any of the more recent battlefields .
that is not to say it "wont run well" you just may struggle to hit 120fps all the time on
games with big player counts.

then, if you are including the SSD in the 1 thousand dollar budget. what size of an
ssd are you wanting aswel as, do you want a SATA ssd or a nvme m.2
(nvme SSD's are more expensive, but are faster, that said for gaming they actually aren't a huge improvement over standard 2.5inch sata ssd)

lastly. what currency do you use? USD? CAD? AUR? etc etc
aswel, do you prefer amazon? newegg? or do you not care?
i should also ask, what power supply you have.

Monitor is: Asus Designo MX279HS Monitor - 27" Full HD (1920x1080), IPS LED with 178° Wide-View, Frameless, 1080P, Low Blue Light Eye Care HDMI VGA,Silver/Black

So... I don't really know, but hopefully that answers your question.

Fortunately, the games I have an interest in playing are single player only. I just want a modded Skyrim SE setup, modded Fallout 4, and a game that's already very easy to run, it being The Sims 4. Multiplayer isn't my thing. :P

SSD I want is 2TB. From checking a lot of stores, they usually go for around $200 USD, which answers your currency question.

I do not care which store it comes from, as long as it's reliable.

I don't know what my power supply is, I'll have to open the case, but I did add in as many details for it as I could find in my original post. If that isn't enough, I'll can answer that tomorrow.
Your monitor is 60hz https://www.asus.com/us/Displays-Desktops/Monitors/Designo/Designo-MX279HS/techspec/


so you wont actually see the higher framecount,
also, that monitor is only 1080p
as such, if you want 1440p at 120hz (fps)
you will need to upgrade the monitor.
i can suggest one if you'd like

then, if you could find out what Power supply you have
it would be very helpful as we need to know wattage and what cables it is
(you don't wanna buy a GPU then find out you don't meet the requirements and also don't have the correct cables)

a 2tb SSD is a good choice. i also googled your motherboard and you do not have a nvme m.2 drive slot, so you will have to go with standard SATA (still a good choice)
i'd suggest ether
Samsung : https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Inch-Internal-MZ-77E4T0B-AM/dp/B08QB93S6R
or
Crucial : https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX500-NAND-SATA-Internal/dp/B003J5JB12/
they are both very good choice, the samsung drive is about 5-10% faster and about 5-10% more expensive

ether of them are great choices. i have both a samsung ssd and a crucial SSD
and i can easily recommend ether of them.
最後修改者:Bing Chilling; 2022 年 7 月 21 日 下午 11:30
Mailer 2022 年 7 月 21 日 下午 11:45 
If you are attempting to run Skyrim in any capacity above capped 60 FPS then you will inevitably encounter problems because the engine is not built for this, as much prior discussion on the subject has stated:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/3196992771949550559/

For the sake of visuals only you are free to try the experience anyway though I would not expect any improvements from a gameplay perspective at that point; rather you should be looking for consistent capped 60 FPS performance, instead of highs of 120.

I'm throwing this out there since the OPs prospects of FPS in Skyrim are a bit beyond reasonable expectation if you are just trying to "play the game as intended" and with stability in mind. This may just as well apply to Fallout 4 as well so it's something to be mindful of for your use-case.
最後修改者:Mailer; 2022 年 7 月 21 日 下午 11:55
SilentAegis 2022 年 7 月 22 日 上午 12:01 
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If you are attempting to run Skyrim in any capacity above capped 60 FPS then you will inevitably encounter problems because the engine is not built for this, as much prior discussion on the subject has stated:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/3196992771949550559/

For the sake of visuals only you are free to try the experience anyway though I would not expect any improvements from a gameplay perspective at that point; rather you should be looking for consistent capped 60 FPS performance, instead of highs of 120.

I'm throwing this out there since the OPs prospects of FPS in Skyrim are a bit beyond reasonable expectation if you are just trying to "play the game as intended" and with stability in mind. This may just as well apply to Fallout 4 as well so it's something to be mindful of for your use-case.

Ah, you're right, I had forgotten about that. I remember once I (accidentally) set my framerate in game to be over 200 and needless to say... things got real weird, real fast, heh. So yes, just a nice and stable 60 will do.
SilentAegis 2022 年 7 月 22 日 上午 12:05 
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Monitor is: Asus Designo MX279HS Monitor - 27" Full HD (1920x1080), IPS LED with 178° Wide-View, Frameless, 1080P, Low Blue Light Eye Care HDMI VGA,Silver/Black

So... I don't really know, but hopefully that answers your question.

Fortunately, the games I have an interest in playing are single player only. I just want a modded Skyrim SE setup, modded Fallout 4, and a game that's already very easy to run, it being The Sims 4. Multiplayer isn't my thing. :P

SSD I want is 2TB. From checking a lot of stores, they usually go for around $200 USD, which answers your currency question.

I do not care which store it comes from, as long as it's reliable.

I don't know what my power supply is, I'll have to open the case, but I did add in as many details for it as I could find in my original post. If that isn't enough, I'll can answer that tomorrow.
Your monitor is 60hz https://www.asus.com/us/Displays-Desktops/Monitors/Designo/Designo-MX279HS/techspec/


so you wont actually see the higher framecount,
also, that monitor is only 1080p
as such, if you want 1440p at 120hz (fps)
you will need to upgrade the monitor.
i can suggest one if you'd like

then, if you could find out what Power supply you have
it would be very helpful as we need to know wattage and what cables it is
(you don't wanna buy a GPU then find out you don't meet the requirements and also don't have the correct cables)

a 2tb SSD is a good choice. i also googled your motherboard and you do not have a nvme m.2 drive slot, so you will have to go with standard SATA (still a good choice)
i'd suggest ether
Samsung : https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Inch-Internal-MZ-77E4T0B-AM/dp/B08QB93S6R
or
Crucial : https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX500-NAND-SATA-Internal/dp/B003J5JB12/
they are both very good choice, the samsung drive is about 5-10% faster and about 5-10% more expensive

ether of them are great choices. i have both a samsung ssd and a crucial SSD
and i can easily recommend ether of them.

You can disregard the stuff about framerate, as someone pointed out, this is not feasible. But no worries, I just want it to be at a smooth and constant (or as constant as possible, anyway) 60.

The power supply, since you've been helpful so far, I was initially just going to wait until tomorrow as it's late here (and honestly, I was feeling lazy), but nah, I decided to open up my case and peek inside. It is a High Power 80plus 600W supply. Model is HPG-600ST-F12s. Hopefully this is what you needed to know.

Heh, you suggested the very SSD I was eyeing, the Samsung one. :D
最後修改者:SilentAegis; 2022 年 7 月 22 日 上午 12:12
Rumpelcrutchskin 2022 年 7 月 22 日 上午 12:13 
I would just save money for a year and build new next gen PC. Both Intel and AMD are gone release new CPUs and motherboards soon, DDR5 RAM is gone be more common, cheaper and more reliable and both Nvidia and AMD have new generation of graphics cards out.
Trying to upgrade now from what you have is kinda counter productive and waste of money in the long run.
🦜Cloud Boy🦜 2022 年 7 月 22 日 上午 2:53 
Something like RTX 3070 will be suitable for you, it's around 50% more powerful than GTX 1080. Anything more powerful will be bottlenecked by your CPU. Make sure you have at least a 600w power supply.
最後修改者:🦜Cloud Boy🦜; 2022 年 7 月 22 日 上午 4:09
pasa 2022 年 7 月 22 日 上午 11:08 
ssd is always a great upgrade. You should have had one from beginning, but it's never too late.

upgrading 1080 to 3070 is IMO questionable. Do you really need that little more FPS?
If you have abundant money I'd rather leave this box alone and make a new one down the road with modern stuff and designed to work well together. Now, next year, or as you find convenient. Then pass the current box.
Agent 2022 年 7 月 22 日 上午 11:10 
引用自 Rumpelcrutchskin
I would just save money for a year and build new next gen PC. Both Intel and AMD are gone release new CPUs and motherboards soon, DDR5 RAM is gone be more common, cheaper and more reliable and both Nvidia and AMD have new generation of graphics cards out.
Trying to upgrade now from what you have is kinda counter productive and waste of money in the long run.
This and move to 32GB of RAM.
CrowZer0 2022 年 7 月 22 日 上午 11:25 
I've skimmed through your posts and info, for your games a 3070 (even a 3060ti) is more than enough at 1080p in 60fps, and a SSD will drastically improve your load times and noticeable daily usage. For the games you have mentioned and your monitor (1080p @60hz) I would wholly recommend to go and jump on the upgrade, the gains would be significant. 4 cores are fine for a majority of games especially older ones, will there be improvements if you upgraded everything including cpu/mobo yes. But not without upgrading your monitor and games, but at 1080p 60hz most triple a games will run fine with a 3060ti

I say do it. If you have options of Amazon in your country worst case scenario you don't like the results send it back, and for your mobo it's simply plug in new mobo, upgrade drivers and play.

If you do want to wait for ddr5/next gen cpu's you can do so and just use your existing gpu (if you buy the 3x) and ssd in the new system.

Edit: You do not need nor will you benefit from 32gb of ram for most solo games at 1080p, some exceptions might be escape from tarkov etc, you don't *need* it but if you have two spare slots ram upgrades are relatively cheap right now, in the UK its around 50-80ish for 16GB more ddr4.
最後修改者:CrowZer0; 2022 年 7 月 22 日 上午 11:27
SilentAegis 2022 年 7 月 22 日 下午 1:18 
Bah, the replies here are making me torn. On one hand, I am willing to wait until I can just get a new PC entirely as I like the idea of all the parts being modern. Plus, I can just save money and get myself a PS5 instead. I still haven't joined that club, heh. On the other, I do not need anything crazy strong to play the games I want to play. 32GB of RAM sounds like overkill when every game I've said I want to play does not go past the release date of 2015.

But to counter the above, there is one game that will come out in the future I would want to play on PC and that's Elder Scrolls 6, which we don't know what its requirements will be, although I doubt they'll be that crazy.

EDIT: I've also done some research, I don't think my power supply can support a card above a 3060. Every store I'm finding says 3070 or higher needs at least 650-750. Now I'm heavily leaning towards waiting and upgrading by next year instead. It seems like the safer option.
最後修改者:SilentAegis; 2022 年 7 月 22 日 下午 1:22
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