Many games break on 4K 17.2inch screen.

[Dog]

I have a LAPTOP with 4K 3840x2160 RESOLUTION screen but the physical screen itself is 17.2inch.
I know for a fact that 4K 17.2inch screen is the issue and not other things because I can fix it for all the game by simply lowering my Window OS screen display resolution down from 4K 3840x2160 to 1080P 1920x1080 to fit the native 17.2inch screen size resolution and it fixes this issue for all the game. But of course I didn't buy a 4K screen only to use it as a 1080P screen.

So the problem is that many games such as but not exclusive to: Dying Light, Ark survival Evolve, Tales Of Zesteria, Nier Automata and even game on other platform like Starcraft II. They all run like ass with an average of 1-20fps and some even have massive screen flicker.
(List of game WITH NO ISSUE running at max setting 4K for comparison to show that it is not a performance related issue: Cyberpunk 2077, Assassin Creed Odyssy, Tales Of Arise, Baldur Gate 3)
Only changeing Window OS Screen Display Setting from the "default/recommended" 4K 3840x2160 resolution down to 1080P 1920x1080 resolution will fix the issue.

I have over 1000 games in my Steam library and other platform and this issue occur to alittle over 100 games which is around 10% of all the game i own but 100 games is still alot.

Please read fully before commenting and don't tell me basic stuff like to to update or reinstall my driver, vsyn setting or that my device is physically defective. I already made it clear that all those stuff is not the issue. I have already pinpointed the issue but just can't find proper fix.


My spec in case someone didn't read my description properly and want to blame my low fps for using a potato device:
MSI Titan GT77
Nvidia RTX 3080ti 16GB
128GB RAM (32GBx4)
Gen 4 8TB SSD (2TBx4)
Intel 12th Gen Core i9-12900HX
4K 17.2inch UHD screen

If you actually know how to fix this then please help... Also I don't understand why I'm literally the only one posting this issue. Gaming laptop with 4K 17.3inch screen is indeed new but it isn't that rare or maybe the other owner of this specific laptop simply haven't had the chance to played one of the affected game yet?

[_I_]

sounds like its using dsr/vsr to draw at 4k on a 1080p display

use the gpu control panel and disable those, and set the res to native 1080p for best image quality

[Dog]

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sounds like its using dsr/vsr to draw at 4k on a 1080p display

use the gpu control panel and disable those, and set the res to native 1080p for best image quality

But I have a 4K UHD native display... and yes I mentioned in my main post, downgrading my resolution from the native 4K to 1080P does help. But i dont want to use 1080P on a 4K screen.

[_I_]

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sounds like its using dsr/vsr to draw at 4k on a 1080p display

use the gpu control panel and disable those, and set the res to native 1080p for best image quality

But I have a 4K UHD native display...

post a cpuz validation link
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
cpuz -> validate button -> submit button
it will open a browser, copy the url (address) and paste it here

[emoticorpse]

Might be a piece of software on your pc causing this. take anything off startup or shut down anything you don't need. try disabling antivirus also just to test.

[JohnMars78]

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sounds like its using dsr/vsr to draw at 4k on a 1080p display

use the gpu control panel and disable those, and set the res to native 1080p for best image quality

Not the first time when I'm wondering if you're actually reading anything other than the initial post.

Dumb question here, OP: is the laptop plugged into the wall socket at all times, or it's used on battery only at some point?

[Dog]

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İlk olarak _I_ tarafından gönderildi:

sounds like its using dsr/vsr to draw at 4k on a 1080p display

use the gpu control panel and disable those, and set the res to native 1080p for best image quality

Not the first time when I'm wondering if you're actually reading anything other than the initial post.

Dumb question here, OP: is the laptop plugged into the wall socket at all times, or it's used on battery only at some point?

My device is only 20 days old but I tried to preserve my battery health by not overcharging the battery. So I keep it plugging in while doing intensive gaming and unplug and let the battery drain but not below 20% if used for other thing that isn't gaming or when playing low system demanding game.

[nullable]

I mean 4k on a 17 inch screen I can't help but wonder if a high level of Windows scaling is the root cause. Some of these games were written when before that would have been a concern. Or could have been oversight by developers, akin to how lots of games don't account for widescreen formats.

That might explain why setting the resolution to 1080p resolves the issue because you've removed the underlying issue, 1080p doesn't need to be scaled. Even if it isn't Windows scaling per-se I wouldn't be surprised if it was something in that vein.

The alternative would look up what experiences other people have had in specific games on similar settings. If most people agree they have to run Terraria in 1080p on a 17inch screen and there's an explanation for that, then that's probably that. And it could apply to other games as well.

[nullable]

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İlk olarak JohnMars78 tarafından gönderildi:

Not the first time when I'm wondering if you're actually reading anything other than the initial post.

Dumb question here, OP: is the laptop plugged into the wall socket at all times, or it's used on battery only at some point?

My device is only 20 days old but I tried to preserve my battery health by not overcharging the battery. So I keep it plugging in while doing intensive gaming and unplug and let the battery drain but not below 20% if used for other thing that isn't gaming or when playing low system demanding game.

You don't need to play grabass with the battery, it's not 2002 anymore.

[Dog]

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İlk olarak ? tarafından gönderildi:

My device is only 20 days old but I tried to preserve my battery health by not overcharging the battery. So I keep it plugging in while doing intensive gaming and unplug and let the battery drain but not below 20% if used for other thing that isn't gaming or when playing low system demanding game.

You don't need to play grabass with the battery, it's not 2002 anymore.

İlk olarak Snakub Plissken tarafından gönderildi:

I mean 4k on a 17 inch screen I can't help but wonder if a high level of Windows scaling is the root cause. Some of these games were written when before that would have been a concern. Or could have been oversight by developers, akin to how lots of games don't account for widescreen formats.

That might explain why setting the resolution to 1080p resolves the issue because you've removed the underlying issue, 1080p doesn't need to be scaled. Even if it isn't Windows scaling per-se I wouldn't be surprised if it was something in that vein.

The alternative would look up what experiences other people have had in specific games on similar settings. If most people agree they have to run Terraria in 1080p on a 17inch screen and there's an explanation for that, then that's probably that. And it could apply to other games as well.

I suspect the same but while at default 4K with 250% scaling, I tried changing the scaling to 100% but keep it at 4K, ofcourse everything on the screen turn small it only take up space on the corner of my screen which is not pleasant to look at, but regardless, the performance didn't improve at all.

Old habit die hard about the battery thingy.

Also I am dumbfounded by how I'm literally the only person making forum about this issue be it on steam forum or other forum. This seem as if it suppose to happen to all 4K 17.2inch laptop since they all scale at 250% by default. Laptop with this spec maybe uncommon due to it price but still... someone other than me has to have it right?

[MancSoulja]

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You don't need to play grabass with the battery, it's not 2002 anymore.

İlk olarak Snakub Plissken tarafından gönderildi:

I mean 4k on a 17 inch screen I can't help but wonder if a high level of Windows scaling is the root cause. Some of these games were written when before that would have been a concern. Or could have been oversight by developers, akin to how lots of games don't account for widescreen formats.

That might explain why setting the resolution to 1080p resolves the issue because you've removed the underlying issue, 1080p doesn't need to be scaled. Even if it isn't Windows scaling per-se I wouldn't be surprised if it was something in that vein.

The alternative would look up what experiences other people have had in specific games on similar settings. If most people agree they have to run Terraria in 1080p on a 17inch screen and there's an explanation for that, then that's probably that. And it could apply to other games as well.

I suspect the same but while at default 4K with 250% scaling, I tried changing the scaling to 100% but keep it at 4K, ofcourse everything on the screen turn small it only take up space on the corner of my screen which is not pleasant to look at, but regardless, the performance didn't improve at all.

Old habit die hard about the battery thingy.

Also I am dumbfounded by how I'm literally the only person making forum about this issue be it on steam forum or other forum. This seem as if it suppose to happen to all 4K 17.2inch laptop since they all scale at 250% by default. Laptop with this spec maybe uncommon due to it price but still... someone other than me has to have it right?

Just disable DPI scaling in the properties of each .exe before launching it and it wont matter what resolution scale you use.

[Dog]

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I suspect the same but while at default 4K with 250% scaling, I tried changing the scaling to 100% but keep it at 4K, ofcourse everything on the screen turn small it only take up space on the corner of my screen which is not pleasant to look at, but regardless, the performance didn't improve at all.

Old habit die hard about the battery thingy.

Also I am dumbfounded by how I'm literally the only person making forum about this issue be it on steam forum or other forum. This seem as if it suppose to happen to all 4K 17.2inch laptop since they all scale at 250% by default. Laptop with this spec maybe uncommon due to it price but still... someone other than me has to have it right?

Just disable DPI scaling in the properties of each .exe before launching it and it wont matter what resolution scale you use.

Tried it just now with about 10 games. For what ever reason as soon as the game launch, the setting reverted back to being Override the App DPI and of course the flicker and low fps persist. Can't seem to find a way to make the setting not reverted back as soon as the game launch.

[nullable]

Well instead of turning it off, what if you only did like 150% just as a test. It would still be too small in some cases, but if you got a positive result suddenly you could infer the issue was with scaling when it's high enough. Maybe there's a better comfortable medium too.

Sure a 3080 ti should run anything at $k. So it suggests the 3080 ti isn't always being used, or there's some other weird behavior where it's maybe not clocking up like expected under weird conditions.

[emoticorpse]

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İlk olarak Snakub Plissken tarafından gönderildi:

You don't need to play grabass with the battery, it's not 2002 anymore.

İlk olarak Snakub Plissken tarafından gönderildi:

I mean 4k on a 17 inch screen I can't help but wonder if a high level of Windows scaling is the root cause. Some of these games were written when before that would have been a concern. Or could have been oversight by developers, akin to how lots of games don't account for widescreen formats.

That might explain why setting the resolution to 1080p resolves the issue because you've removed the underlying issue, 1080p doesn't need to be scaled. Even if it isn't Windows scaling per-se I wouldn't be surprised if it was something in that vein.

The alternative would look up what experiences other people have had in specific games on similar settings. If most people agree they have to run Terraria in 1080p on a 17inch screen and there's an explanation for that, then that's probably that. And it could apply to other games as well.

I suspect the same but while at default 4K with 250% scaling, I tried changing the scaling to 100% but keep it at 4K, ofcourse everything on the screen turn small it only take up space on the corner of my screen which is not pleasant to look at, but regardless, the performance didn't improve at all.

Old habit die hard about the battery thingy.

Also I am dumbfounded by how I'm literally the only person making forum about this issue be it on steam forum or other forum. This seem as if it suppose to happen to all 4K 17.2inch laptop since they all scale at 250% by default. Laptop with this spec maybe uncommon due to it price but still... someone other than me has to have it right?

Doesn't appear many people have this laptop. Most of the times you'd find at least some reviews from random people online on the world's most popular sites like Amazon or Youtube actual gaming experiences but I can't find squat. Seems like you're one of the few people who bought this and not surprising. For that money most people would have just built a kickin' desktop. I'm not criticizing your purchase, just saying that you may very well be one of the few people who have ran into this uncommon behavior with this hardware. Also it seems like it is a very new laptop so possibly they need to speak up in order for them to realize it needs to be fixed. Even the forum seems a bit empty.

[Dog]

İlk olarak Snakub Plissken tarafından gönderildi:

Well instead of turning it off, what if you only did like 150% just as a test. It would still be too small in some cases, but if you got a positive result suddenly you could infer the issue was with scaling when it's high enough. Maybe there's a better comfortable medium too.

Sure a 3080 ti should run anything at $k. So it suggests the 3080 ti isn't always being used, or there's some other weird behavior where it's maybe not clocking up like expected under weird conditions.

Tried it already. No change. Not even small one.

[Dog]

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I suspect the same but while at default 4K with 250% scaling, I tried changing the scaling to 100% but keep it at 4K, ofcourse everything on the screen turn small it only take up space on the corner of my screen which is not pleasant to look at, but regardless, the performance didn't improve at all.

Old habit die hard about the battery thingy.

Also I am dumbfounded by how I'm literally the only person making forum about this issue be it on steam forum or other forum. This seem as if it suppose to happen to all 4K 17.2inch laptop since they all scale at 250% by default. Laptop with this spec maybe uncommon due to it price but still... someone other than me has to have it right?

Doesn't appear many people have this laptop. Most of the times you'd find at least some reviews from random people online on the world's most popular sites like Amazon or Youtube actual gaming experiences but I can't find squat. Seems like you're one of the few people who bought this and not surprising. For that money most people would have just built a kickin' desktop. I'm not criticizing your purchase, just saying that you may very well be one of the few people who have ran into this uncommon behavior with this hardware. Also it seems like it is a very new laptop so possibly they need to speak up in order for them to realize it needs to be fixed. Even the forum seems a bit empty.

True, but I do see 4 video on youtube of people doing an in-dept review of this laptop and each of the 4 video is also made by a very reputable reviewer. But the problem is that all of them are reviewing the very rare 1080P screen version of this laptop instead of the standard 4K screen version that i have. Maybe they cheap out and didn't want to get the significantly more expensive 4K screen version to do the review on? I don't know but what ever the case is, the 1080P screen version doesn't seem to have any issue as far as I know.

But I don't even know where the hell did those people got the 1080P screen version from. On the official MSI announcement event, they only talk about releasing 4K screen version and on all the store (that I ever visited in real life and on the internet) also only have the 4K screen version for sales.