How long will the new AMD socket last?

[Citizen Cook]

My current PC features an intel CPU. But for my new PC build next month i think I’ll make the switch to AMD since Intel 13th gen CPU’s and motherboards don’t offer future compatibility.

My plan is to hopefully ride my new AMD CPU for a number of years and then replace the CPU at some distant point in the future while retaining my motherboard and ram. At that point I’ll pop in a new gpu and double the ram.
That way I’ll be saving considerable expense on the third build since many of the components will be reused (case,psu,motherboard,ram,cooler+fans)

Does this seem like a good idea to you fine people?

Being unfamiliar with AMD i was wonder on average, how long does a socket find support?
All I’ve heard is that AMD seem to support motherboard sockets longer than intel.

[Fake]

You'll be happier if you spent $1,500 every 5 years vs spending $3,000 every 10 years.

The pc that you can build right now for $3000, will be surpassed by a $500 pc in 10yrs.

As for upgradability, how many people are constantly upgrading their systems?

[Citizen Cook]

Originalmente postado por 🦆Cloud Boy🦆:

AM5 socket will last for next 2 to 3 generations. If you buy a Ryzen 5800x now, it will last for next 5 years. So, you don't need to think about AM5's longevity.

Look, 5 years old intel i7-8700k is still doing fine, that's a 6c/12t CPU.
Ryzen 5800x is 8c/16t.

Originalmente postado por 🦆Cloud Boy🦆:

AM5 socket will last for next 2 to 3 generations. If you buy a Ryzen 5800x now, it will last for next 5 years. So, you don't need to think about AM5's longevity.

Look, 5 years old intel i7-8700k is still doing fine, that's a 6c/12t CPU.
Ryzen 5800x is 8c/16t.

And how long is a generation?

[JohnMars78]

Originalmente postado por Citizen Cook:

And how long is a generation?

Two years, more or less. There were 3 CPU generations on AM4 within a 6 year interval, counting the next launch as the end of it.
There can be multiple launches within said generations. Zen+ "refresh" (Ryzen 2000 series) came just one year after the first Zen (R 1000). Zen 2 APUs were launched less than a year after initial Zen 2.
Each launch brings something new and potentially worthy of upgrading to.

[Citizen Cook]

Originalmente postado por JohnMars78:

Originalmente postado por Citizen Cook:

And how long is a generation?

Two years, more or less. There were 3 CPU generations on AM4 within a 6 year interval, counting the next launch as the end of it.
There can be multiple launches within said generations. Zen+ "refresh" (Ryzen 2000 series) came just one year after the first Zen (R 1000). Zen 2 APUs were launched less than a year after initial Zen 2.
Each launch brings something new and potentially worthy of upgrading to.

Originalmente postado por JohnMars78:

Originalmente postado por Citizen Cook:

And how long is a generation?

Two years, more or less. There were 3 CPU generations on AM4 within a 6 year interval, counting the next launch as the end of it.
There can be multiple launches within said generations. Zen+ "refresh" (Ryzen 2000 series) came just one year after the first Zen (R 1000). Zen 2 APUs were launched less than a year after initial Zen 2.
Each launch brings something new and potentially worthy of upgrading to.

Ok. So let’s say I buy a new AM5 processor next month from AMD.
Then I wait say… 5 years and buy the latest and perhaps last CPU for AM5. I then doubt my existing DDR5 RAM from 32GB to 64. I replace my 4080 with say... a 7080.
Does that sound feasible?
Keeping the case, motherboard, cooler, fans and existing RAM.

[Fake]

Originalmente postado por Citizen Cook:

Ok. So let’s say I buy a new AM5 processor next month from AMD.
Then I wait say… 5 years and buy the latest and perhaps last CPU for AM5. I then doubt my existing DDR5 RAM from 32GB to 64. I replace my 4080 with say... a 7080.
Does that sound feasible?
Keeping the case, motherboard, cooler, fans and existing RAM.

No one knows if your gen1 AM5 board will support the last AM5 cpu.

[Citizen Cook]

Originalmente postado por Fake:

Originalmente postado por Citizen Cook:

Ok. So let’s say I buy a new AM5 processor next month from AMD.
Then I wait say… 5 years and buy the latest and perhaps last CPU for AM5. I then doubt my existing DDR5 RAM from 32GB to 64. I replace my 4080 with say... a 7080.
Does that sound feasible?
Keeping the case, motherboard, cooler, fans and existing RAM.

No one knows if your gen1 AM5 board will support the last AM5 cpu.

Might as well go with AMD though, since Intel are ending support for their socket with 13th gen.

[emoticorpse]

Originalmente postado por Citizen Cook:

Originalmente postado por Fake:

No one knows if your gen1 AM5 board will support the last AM5 cpu.

Might as well go with AMD though, since Intel are ending support for their socket with 13th gen.

It seems like you're dead set on an "upgrade path". So just know it's been said already that the answer isn't clear. Your hypothetical of upgrading from an am5 to another in the future depends on which cpu you go from to which CPU you go to.

If you just build a decent one you don't have to worry about socket support. Even if it costs more now, realize the investment will pay off in the future when you DON'T have to spend on the upgrade down the line. And you will have the performance the entire time. This pretty much applies to any build whether it's Intel or AMD. If you want to determine what specs you need choose your gaming resolution and frame rate and stick with it for 5 years.

[Citizen Cook]

Originalmente postado por emoticorpse:

Originalmente postado por Citizen Cook:

Might as well go with AMD though, since Intel are ending support for their socket with 13th gen.

It seems like you're dead set on an "upgrade path". So just know it's been said already that the answer isn't clear. Your hypothetical of upgrading from an am5 to another in the future depends on which cpu you go from to which CPU you go to.

If you just build a decent one you don't have to worry about socket support. Even if it costs more now, realize the investment will pay off in the future when you DON'T have to spend on the upgrade down the line. And you will have the performance the entire time. This pretty much applies to any build whether it's Intel or AMD. If you want to determine what specs you need choose your gaming resolution and frame rate and stick with it for 5 years.

Well at least with AMD I have the POSSIBILITY of an upgrade path. With Intel their is no such possibility. The Ryzen 9 7900X seems pretty beefy so I get long term performance and the hope of an upgrade 5 years from now as well.

[ugafan]

I don't know how long AM5 will last, but I will tell you that I went from first gen ryzen bought in 2017 and upgraded to a 5600 this year. The new cpu cost $144. It felt pretty good not having to buy a new motherboard and ram and it should last me another few years.

[Citizen Cook]

Originalmente postado por ugafan:

I don't know how long AM5 will last, but I will tell you that I went from first gen ryzen bought in 2017 and upgraded to a 5600 this year. The new cpu cost $144. It felt pretty good not having to buy a new motherboard and ram and it should last me another few years.

That’s exactly what I’m hoping for!☺️
Do you think a 7900X is overkill for 4K/60fps gaming with ray tracing?
With a 4080 RTX, with a 7700X bottleneck the system at this settings?

[ugafan]

Most games aren't going to utilize 12C/24T. I would probably save some money and go with the 8C/16T. You could wait for benchmarks and then compare performance before making a decision.

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

Originalmente postado por Citizen Cook:

Originalmente postado por ugafan:

I don't know how long AM5 will last, but I will tell you that I went from first gen ryzen bought in 2017 and upgraded to a 5600 this year. The new cpu cost $144. It felt pretty good not having to buy a new motherboard and ram and it should last me another few years.

That’s exactly what I’m hoping for!☺️
Do you think a 7900X is overkill for 4K/60fps gaming with ray tracing?
With a 4080 RTX, with a 7700X bottleneck the system at this settings?

And, by using old motherboard, you will miss many updated features. For example: Latest USB type support, PCIE Gen support etc.

5 years is a along time, if you can afford parts like RTX 4080 and and the latest Ryzen 9 (as you said). You can spend another $200 for a new motherboard in every 5 years, instead of putting your brand new new-gen CPU on a 5 years old outdated motherboard.

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

Originalmente postado por ugafan:

It felt pretty good not having to buy a new motherboard and ram and it should last me another few years.

New RAM won't be needed, Ryzen 1st gen and the latest Ryzen 5000 series use same DDR4 Ram.

[emoticorpse]

Originalmente postado por Citizen Cook:

Originalmente postado por emoticorpse:

It seems like you're dead set on an "upgrade path". So just know it's been said already that the answer isn't clear. Your hypothetical of upgrading from an am5 to another in the future depends on which cpu you go from to which CPU you go to.

If you just build a decent one you don't have to worry about socket support. Even if it costs more now, realize the investment will pay off in the future when you DON'T have to spend on the upgrade down the line. And you will have the performance the entire time. This pretty much applies to any build whether it's Intel or AMD. If you want to determine what specs you need choose your gaming resolution and frame rate and stick with it for 5 years.

Well at least with AMD I have the POSSIBILITY of an upgrade path. With Intel their is no such possibility. The Ryzen 9 7900X seems pretty beefy so I get long term performance and the hope of an upgrade 5 years from now as well.

Yeah, it is better than nothing. You might be on to something too since and motherboards might get more expensive now that the pins are on the motherboard. Not sure about this but I thought that was why Intel motherboards were more expensive. If that is the case motherboard cost will be significant.

[JohnMars78]

Depends largely on the chipset and features. Current AM4 MBs are not that much cheaper than Intel's socket 1700 ones.