Cheap vs expensive rtx 3080? Or any gpu in general

[Supreme carry man]

Ayo, I've been wondering for a while, but how come one rtx 3080 can cost 800 dollars, while another 3080 can cost twice as much?
Is there a big difference, small difference?
Please do enlighten me about this

[mimizukari]

Bad 💀 Motha님이 먼저 게시:

I've used pretty much every GPU there has been available to consumers since the early 1990's. Not once have I ever "had" to Liquid Cool a GPU to keep it running properly, or cooled down enough. And that goes for all of the RTX 20 and 30 series as well. There have been plenty of times when I ran a gaming PC in a room that would easily peak to around 38*C in the summer months. Still had no problems running a high end gaming PC 24/7 with such a room temp.

every single pc i have operates at like 74c~ give or take, getting higher over years if dust buildup and such. that's with liquid cooling, but i use high-end hardware like 3090 & titan RTX, etc. Dunno how good heating is on 3080/3080 Ti, but 3090/3090 Ti definitely overheat when being utilized 100% if you don't have a good cooling solution. i literally use 9 case fans + liquid cooling and it's at 74c under full load.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Bug님이 먼저 게시:

I'd say it comes down to the how the chip is binned. The best ones are pushed a little further using higher manufacturing costs. Outside of that it's scalping.

Well no, actually it is not like that. The best ones from NVIDIA example are what you get on a Founders Edition GPU. Everything else on the market is a lesser chip. It is not that the better chips are pushed further. It is that the GPU core on the FE cards are the best. They are how ALL of them should be, all of the 3rd party brands receive GPU cores that are binned as being deemed, not as good or stable as the ones on the FE cards. But I've had both FE cards as well as plenty of others from the other brands. At the end of the day its quite rare to have a 3rd party GPU just up and fail for no reason or for its GPU core to not be able to OC as much as we were able to do with the FE cards. If anything you could often OC more on 3rd party cards because of the cooler and such; but of course that would differ model to model. That's why I've been using EVGA FTW and Hybrid series for many years. ASUS, MSI and Zotac are ok. But I've rarely had a GPU from Gigabyte run as well or last as long as the others. If that makes any different to any of you. Some people dislike and refuse to use the NVIDIA FE cards because of how NVIDIA's newer design (especially for RTX 30 series) is designed and put together in a way to where they do not want you taking it apart. Ones like EVGA, ASUS, MSI; are very easy to take apart, clean, re-paste; etc.

EDIT:
Gets hotter over the years? Then you're doing something wrong there.
Why is it I can do a build and it runs the same temps for 5 years running almost every day? Maybe because I blow out the dust every 3-6 months and/or as feel the need to do so. It's actually a simple task many don't take seriously. A hand-held electric blower and a paint-brush is all I've needed to use for years to do this simple task. And I blow out the dust from PCs out-doors; never in-doors.

[mimizukari]

Bad 💀 Motha님이 먼저 게시:

Bug님이 먼저 게시:

I'd say it comes down to the how the chip is binned. The best ones are pushed a little further using higher manufacturing costs. Outside of that it's scalping.

Well no, actually it is not like that. The best ones from NVIDIA example are what you get on a Founders Edition GPU. Everything else on the market is a lesser chip. It is not that the better chips are pushed further. It is that the GPU core on the FE cards are the best. They are how ALL of them should be, all of the 3rd party brands receive GPU cores that are binned as being deemed, not as good or stable as the ones on the FE cards. But I've had both FE cards as well as plenty of others from the other brands. At the end of the day its quite rare to have a 3rd party GPU just up and fail for no reason or for its GPU core to not be able to OC as much as we were able to do with the FE cards. If anything you could often OC more on 3rd party cards because of the cooler and such; but of course that would differ model to model. That's why I've been using EVGA FTW and Hybrid series for many years. ASUS, MSI and Zotac are ok. But I've rarely had a GPU from Gigabyte run as well or last as long as the others. If that makes any different to any of you. Some people dislike and refuse to use the NVIDIA FE cards because of how NVIDIA's newer design (especially for RTX 30 series) is designed and put together in a way to where they do not want you taking it apart. Ones like EVGA, ASUS, MSI; are very easy to take apart, clean, re-paste; etc.

EDIT:
Gets hotter over the years? Then you're doing something wrong there.
Why is it I can do a build and it runs the same temps for 5 years running almost every day? Maybe because I blow out the dust every 3-6 months and/or as feel the need to do so. It's actually a simple task many don't take seriously. A hand-held electric blower and a paint-brush is all I've needed to use for years to do this simple task. And I blow out the dust from PCs out-doors; never in-doors.

even a brand new pc with a 3090 Ti gets verrrry hot. I'm not sure how you don't see that, unless you're running weaker hardware like 3070 or base 3080, even the 3080 Ti gets a bit toasty, doesn't it?

EDIT: Well, actually earlier you said you have a modified 3080 Ti(branded) to begin with, so of course you don't see the issue. Stock GPUs overheat, that's the point.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Unless you run a very tight PC Case; then not really no. Not anymore hot then previous GPU models like 1080 Ti or 2080 Super or Ti. Both of our 3080 Ti here tops out at around 78*C on air.

But like any GPU, I never run it "as-is". I always have to fiddle with the fan-curve so that my settings cool it better then the stock settings. That and I use a Case such as BeQuiet Dark Base Pro 900 Rev2 with plenty of Fans to help ensure proper airflow. The only thing that makes any noise is the GPU, when actually under heavy loads; like when Gaming.

Sure, I have done liquid cooling plenty of times for GPUs. But that was more of a want then a need.

[Raoul]

Haven't checked in a while and wouldn't expect it to be double the price but certain models with more ram higher clock speed and better cooling and features have always cost more. Honestly though most features are just marketing gimmickry or aesthetics and even higher clocked models aren't always worth it since the base models will generally hit that oc anyway in my experience. I wouldn't splash out double on any card if there aftermarket cooling optiosn which certainly always are going to be cheaper and way better if you cared about the absolute best cooling you could get for the card.

[Meatball]

Enjoy the low GPU prices as long as you can because these are the last few weeks before the storm.
Ethereum Classic is coming and it's coming hard just like expected.

[mimizukari]

Bad 💀 Motha님이 먼저 게시:

Unless you run a very tight PC Case; then not really no. Not anymore hot then previous GPU models like 1080 Ti or 2080 Super or Ti. Both of our 3080 Ti here tops out at around 78*C on air.

But like any GPU, I never run it "as-is". I always have to fiddle with the fan-curve so that my settings cool it better then the stock settings. That and I use a Case such as BeQuiet Dark Base Pro 900 Rev2 with plenty of Fans to help ensure proper airflow. The only thing that makes any noise is the GPU, when actually under heavy loads; like when Gaming.

hmmm, that makes more sense, the way i read before i thought you were saying it peaked at 38c while gaming which made no sense, even with mods a 3080 ti running full force at 38c is... insane.

I can typically keep my 3090 to around 69-74c at 100% load and that's with liquid cooling, a decent sized case and good ventilation but living in a hotter area (93f right now)

[Hugh J nuss]

deneb altair vega님이 먼저 게시:

Bad 💀 Motha님이 먼저 게시:

Unless you run a very tight PC Case; then not really no. Not anymore hot then previous GPU models like 1080 Ti or 2080 Super or Ti. Both of our 3080 Ti here tops out at around 78*C on air.

But like any GPU, I never run it "as-is". I always have to fiddle with the fan-curve so that my settings cool it better then the stock settings. That and I use a Case such as BeQuiet Dark Base Pro 900 Rev2 with plenty of Fans to help ensure proper airflow. The only thing that makes any noise is the GPU, when actually under heavy loads; like when Gaming.

hmmm, that makes more sense, the way i read before i thought you were saying it peaked at 38c while gaming which made no sense, even with mods a 3080 ti running full force at 38c is... insane.

I can typically keep my 3090 to around 69-74c at 100% load and that's with liquid cooling, a decent sized case and good ventilation but living in a hotter area (93f right now)

That seems really hot still. My 3080 runs 60c constant, but throttles down to 2100mhz at that temp to maintain it and I'm air cooled.

Do you also have backplate cooling? It makes a 10* difference

[mimizukari]

TC SKATES님이 먼저 게시:

deneb altair vega님이 먼저 게시:

hmmm, that makes more sense, the way i read before i thought you were saying it peaked at 38c while gaming which made no sense, even with mods a 3080 ti running full force at 38c is... insane.

I can typically keep my 3090 to around 69-74c at 100% load and that's with liquid cooling, a decent sized case and good ventilation but living in a hotter area (93f right now)

That seems really hot still. My 3080 runs 60c constant, but throttles down to 2100mhz at that temp to maintain it and I'm air cooled.

Do you also have backplate cooling? It makes a 10* difference

I have it overclocked also 3090 draws more power than base 3080, thus more heat.

[Hugh J nuss]

deneb altair vega님이 먼저 게시:

TC SKATES님이 먼저 게시:

That seems really hot still. My 3080 runs 60c constant, but throttles down to 2100mhz at that temp to maintain it and I'm air cooled.

Do you also have backplate cooling? It makes a 10* difference

I have it overclocked also 3090 draws more power than base 3080, thus more heat.

Oh true. I didn't think it would be that much hotter as the heatsink is also giant. My 3080 only has two pcie ports too

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deneb altair vega님이 먼저 게시:

Bad 💀 Motha님이 먼저 게시:

Unless you run a very tight PC Case; then not really no. Not anymore hot then previous GPU models like 1080 Ti or 2080 Super or Ti. Both of our 3080 Ti here tops out at around 78*C on air.

But like any GPU, I never run it "as-is". I always have to fiddle with the fan-curve so that my settings cool it better then the stock settings. That and I use a Case such as BeQuiet Dark Base Pro 900 Rev2 with plenty of Fans to help ensure proper airflow. The only thing that makes any noise is the GPU, when actually under heavy loads; like when Gaming.

hmmm, that makes more sense, the way i read before i thought you were saying it peaked at 38c while gaming which made no sense, even with mods a 3080 ti running full force at 38c is... insane.

I can typically keep my 3090 to around 69-74c at 100% load and that's with liquid cooling, a decent sized case and good ventilation but living in a hotter area (93f right now)

You typed 38c a couple of times, you may have had a bit of dyslexia because Bad Motha does say 78c, and I'm running the same EVGA 3080 ti FTW3 and it'll run 78c without too much trouble. Ambient temps, specifics of the loads you're putting on it. And I'm running 1440p/144hz so I'm probably not hitting the maximum load for the card in most games. It certainly could thermal throttle a bit I'm sure. But there's lots of variables governing that so I'm wary of blanket temp/performance claims.

And then I sort of bought into the fuss and ended up undervolting it at 850 mVolts/1815mhz and it runs high 60's low 70's in God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn 120FPS, 1440p, Max settings. The extra performance from higher clocks is almost within margin of error, and it's a lot more power for practically nothing. And at 1815mhz it's still like 150mhz faster than stock. I could probably hit 1900mhz at 875 or 900mv and not lose too much in the way of cooling. But I probably wouldn't gain more than 1-2 FPS either. So why bother?

At any rate I don't think throttling the boost clock down really equates to overheating. But I suppose it depends on that your expectations are.

[mimizukari]

Snakub Plissken님이 먼저 게시:

deneb altair vega님이 먼저 게시:

hmmm, that makes more sense, the way i read before i thought you were saying it peaked at 38c while gaming which made no sense, even with mods a 3080 ti running full force at 38c is... insane.

I can typically keep my 3090 to around 69-74c at 100% load and that's with liquid cooling, a decent sized case and good ventilation but living in a hotter area (93f right now)

You typed 38c a couple of times, you may have had a bit of dyslexia because Bad Motha does say 78c, and I'm running the same EVGA 3080 ti FTW3 and it'll run 78c without too much trouble. Ambient temps, specifics of the loads you're putting on it. And I'm running 1440p/144hz so I'm probably not hitting the maximum load for the card in most games. It certainly could thermal throttle a bit I'm sure. But there's lots of variables governing that so I'm wary of blanket temp/performance claims.

And then I sort of bought into the fuss and ended up undervolting it at 850 mVolts/1815mhz and it runs high 60's low 70's in God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn 120FPS, 1440p, Max settings. The extra performance from higher clocks is almost within margin of error, and it's a lot more power for practically nothing. And at 1815mhz it's still like 150mhz faster than stock. I could probably hit 1900mhz at 875 or 900mv and not lose too much in the way of cooling. But I probably wouldn't gain more than 1-2 FPS either. So why bother?

At any rate I don't think throttling the boost clock down really equates to overheating. But I suppose it depends on that your expectations are.

Nah i think i misread when they said that the room was 38c. not used to seeing room temps in c so assumed that was the GPU temp. user of f temps here aside from PC parts.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

deneb altair vega님이 먼저 게시:

Bad 💀 Motha님이 먼저 게시:

Unless you run a very tight PC Case; then not really no. Not anymore hot then previous GPU models like 1080 Ti or 2080 Super or Ti. Both of our 3080 Ti here tops out at around 78*C on air.

But like any GPU, I never run it "as-is". I always have to fiddle with the fan-curve so that my settings cool it better then the stock settings. That and I use a Case such as BeQuiet Dark Base Pro 900 Rev2 with plenty of Fans to help ensure proper airflow. The only thing that makes any noise is the GPU, when actually under heavy loads; like when Gaming.

hmmm, that makes more sense, the way i read before i thought you were saying it peaked at 38c while gaming which made no sense, even with mods a 3080 ti running full force at 38c is... insane.

I can typically keep my 3090 to around 69-74c at 100% load and that's with liquid cooling, a decent sized case and good ventilation but living in a hotter area (93f right now)

No I said with even the room temp getting up to around 38*C I still had no issues keeping my PC cooled properly. Yes it did of course get hotter compared to the colder months. But it did not thermal throttle or over-heat during the blazing summer months.

It is possible though to get those RTX 30 series down to around 55*C or lower under max loads with proper custom-loop liquid cooling.

[dOBER]

Bad 💀 Motha님이 먼저 게시:

deneb altair vega님이 먼저 게시:

hmmm, that makes more sense, the way i read before i thought you were saying it peaked at 38c while gaming which made no sense, even with mods a 3080 ti running full force at 38c is... insane.

I can typically keep my 3090 to around 69-74c at 100% load and that's with liquid cooling, a decent sized case and good ventilation but living in a hotter area (93f right now)

No I said with even the room temp getting up to around 38*C I still had no issues keeping my PC cooled properly. Yes it did of course get hotter compared to the colder months. But it did not thermal throttle or over-heat during the blazing summer months.

It is possible though to get those RTX 30 series down to around 55*C or lower under max loads with proper custom-loop liquid cooling.

Custom is much lower then this. 55c would be above 100% fan air cooled (21C ambient). My 3090 520w runs at about 40c (21C ambient) while running a timespy benchmark (33C water) with a custom loop. In gaming with less load then 520w powerlimit its cooler.

Anything more then 3080 is wasted money this gen because both use ga102 and have near same powerlimit. 3080 is so powerfull for much lower budget.

If i compare my air cooled 3080 450w vs chilled water 3090 520w there is a 17% difference.
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/15901828/spy/25125835#

For 17% more i payed 4 times as much as a single 3080. Should be clear 3080 is the winner by far.

[Hugh J nuss]

dOBER님이 먼저 게시:

Bad 💀 Motha님이 먼저 게시:

No I said with even the room temp getting up to around 38*C I still had no issues keeping my PC cooled properly. Yes it did of course get hotter compared to the colder months. But it did not thermal throttle or over-heat during the blazing summer months.

It is possible though to get those RTX 30 series down to around 55*C or lower under max loads with proper custom-loop liquid cooling.

Custom is much lower then this. 55c would be above 100% fan air cooled (21C ambient). My 3090 520w runs at about 40c (21C ambient) while running a timespy benchmark (33C water) with a custom loop. In gaming with less load then 520w powerlimit its cooler.

Anything more then 3080 is wasted money this gen because both use ga102 and have near same powerlimit. 3080 is so powerfull for much lower budget.

If i compare my air cooled 3080 450w vs chilled water 3090 520w there is a 17% difference.
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/15901828/spy/25125835#

For 17% more i payed 4 times as much as a single 3080. Should be clear 3080 is the winner by far.

Especially the 12gb one. I hit 10000 in timespy extreme on it air cooled