is an AIO worth getting vs keeping my Hyper 212 (CPU - Coolers)
i have a hyper 212 currently on my i5 8600k @4.6ghz

currently the temps are "ok"
max temps on full load are 85c
so not good, not terrible
though they currently restrict me
from overclocking my CPU any further.

Would getting an AIO water cooler be a vast improvement?
is it even worth buying a new cooler for a 8th gen intel CPU
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Let's be honest, the Hyper 212 designis showing its age.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G38vEEGbkWU
Even affordable modern air coolers can beat it.
85 is on the edge of safety if you're overclocking. There are cheap modern air coolers that beat the 212
Change the fan out with a Noctua one and re apply the paste.
which 212, orig, +, evo or a newer variant

it has had many changes, and was the best cheap cooler 10+ years ago, but not anymore

generally any evo or newer 212 is as good or better than a 120mm clc
Legutóbb szerkesztette: _I_; 2022. aug. 24., 11:13
212 is OK with a push pull config (a fan on both sides).

Most quality AiO will be better, and anything AiO worth buying in 240 will smash it.
No. Save your money and put it aside towards a whole new PC.
xSOSxHawkens eredeti hozzászólása:
212 is OK with a push pull config (a fan on both sides).

Most quality AiO will be better, and anything AiO worth buying in 240 will smash it.
push vs push+pull makes almost no difference on the 212
its stock fan is very good for it, better fan(s) do not help it by very much
Almost every 212 EVO I've had the original fan died after approx 1 year of use. Replaced with Cordair SP fan and its much better. OP has a mid range cpu so most better coolers wouldn't help its temps enough to make a purchase to change the cooler really worth it now. If that 212 cooler is not doing the job, then you may need to replace the fan, or run the fan on DC instead of PWM. And perhaps look at having better overall Case cooling/airflow
The key to an effective cooler is not so much the fans as it is the surface area of the heatsink/radiator, and the transfer rate of the heatpipes or fluid to the cooling plate.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: r.linder; 2022. aug. 24., 14:49
I would put the money towards swapping the mobo and cpu. Even a low end 13th gen is going to beat an 8600k.

As an example, the single-thread speed of an 8600k at 3.9 GHz is 2600. The i3-12100 scores 3600 at 3.3. A mid-range 13th gen even on a low end mobo and your existing memory will run faster.and cooler. 13th gen is faster than 12th according to leaked benchmarks.

Cooling is a delta. The easiest way to lower temps is to take the case side off as it should reduce the temperature of the air flow feed. If your cooler is full of dust, remove the dust.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: hawkeye; 2022. aug. 24., 15:23
_I_ eredeti hozzászólása:
xSOSxHawkens eredeti hozzászólása:
212 is OK with a push pull config (a fan on both sides).

Most quality AiO will be better, and anything AiO worth buying in 240 will smash it.
push vs push+pull makes almost no difference on the 212
its stock fan is very good for it, better fan(s) do not help it by very much

I beg to differ on this. I have had a Cooler Master 212 Evo since 2013, paired with an i7 4770K. I was able to OC this CPU to 4.5Ghz. This CPU and cooler have been great, and still going strong today.

I found that push vs. push-pull config on this cooler made quite a difference on temps. Of course, I didn't stick with the stock fans. But I also didn't get the best of the best for fans either. I got rid of the stock fan, and got two Cooler Master 120mm SickleFlow fans. However, I did find that two of these fans in push-pull config were much better than the stock fan in push.

Now, I have an older version of the 212 Evo, and it is also paired with an older proc, the 4770K. It is a good cooler for this proc, even overclocked, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it on a more modern CPU, that pushes out a lot more wattage.

Of course, a newer 212 Evo will probably have a slightly better design with a better stock fan. But even then, I might replace the stock fan with something better.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: ZeekAncient; 2022. aug. 24., 15:50
Is overclocking the cpu even worth it? The cpu is running faster, but how much does that translate to perceivable real world gains? In most games, the gpu is going to be the limiting factor.

Try this test: Pick a game and run a benchmark. Next, lower your cpu MHz by 100 and run the benchmark again. How much of a difference in fps did it actually make? Was it something perceivable to you or just a number on the screen?
It all depends from game to game. If playing at a lower res, like 1080p, or even lower, and/or playing a game that is extremely CPU bound, overclocking your CPU can have a significant, or at least marginal, increase in performance.

I found over the years, that running my 4770K at 4.5Ghz, or even 4.4Ghz, over its stock turbo clock of 3.9Ghz, made a decent impact on FPS, especially the lows. And especially when I was playing at 1920 x 1080.

However, since I have had my 10700K, I have been running at stock and have not really bothered to overclock it yet. First, I am playing at 4K, and the performance increase by giving it a 5.1 all core OC lets say, would not be substantial. And second, the thermal increase is significant. So, the limited performance gain I am getting playing at 4K, is not worth the OC, and the extra heat output.

If I was playing at 1080p, or even 1440p in some cases, overclocking the 10700K to 5.1 Ghz, or more, all core is significant. And would be worth it for the extra performance increase.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: ZeekAncient; 2022. aug. 24., 16:00
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_I_ eredeti hozzászólása:
push vs push+pull makes almost no difference on the 212
its stock fan is very good for it, better fan(s) do not help it by very much

I beg to differ on this. I have had a Cooler Master 212 Evo since 2013, paired with an i7 4770K. I was able to OC this CPU to 4.5Ghz. This CPU and cooler have been great, and still going strong today.

I found that push vs. push-pull config on this cooler made quite a difference on temps. Of course, I didn't stick with the stock fans. But I also didn't get the best of the best for fans either. I got rid of the stock fan, and got two Cooler Master 120mm SickleFlow fans. However, I did find that two of these fans in push-pull config were much better than the stock fan in push.

Now, I have an older version of the 212 Evo, and it is also paired with an older proc, the 4770K. It is a good cooler for this proc, even overclocked, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it on a more modern CPU, that pushes out a lot more wattage.

Of course, a newer 212 Evo will probably have a slightly better design with a better stock fan. But even then, I might replace the stock fan with something better.
https://www.overclock.net/threads/hyper-212-testing-push-vs-pull-vs-push-pull-also-horizontal-vs-vertical-positioning.1199135/

with 212+, he did lots of testing
cant be much different with newer variants
_I_ eredeti hozzászólása:
https://www.overclock.net/threads/hyper-212-testing-push-vs-pull-vs-push-pull-also-horizontal-vs-vertical-positioning.1199135/

with 212+, he did lots of testing
cant be much different with newer variants

Just as I did, he had the best results with a push-pull sickleflow config. This is currently what I have on my i7 4770K.

However, while his results were not much different from each other, I thought I remember that my results were more varied between the push-pull with sickleflow fans, and having just one stock fan. Though, my testing was done almost nine years ago, and I don't have any proof of my results. Just memory.

It doesn't really matter anyway. I am not going back to do some testing again, lol. I am just going to keep the setup the way it is. Not my main PC anyway. And also, I wouldn't recommend someone get a 212 Evo for a modern processor anyway. It was great back in 2013, and at a great price, but there are better options for air cooling today. At similar or better prices.

Also, I noticed that his testing was done with an i5 760 at 3.8Ghz, while I have mine on an i7 4770K at 4.5Ghz. My case is also a Cooler Master HAF 912 with 2 200mm(1 intake, 1 exhaust) and 2 120mm(1 intake, 1 exhaust) case fans. So it appears my airflow is much better than his, a Cooler Master Elite 335. Though, I don't know how much difference this would all make in determining whether push-pull config is better than just one fan in push config.

But his results did show that push-pull config, with sickleflows like I have it, was slightly better than just having one fan. I do remember there being more of a discrepancy however. He also stating that his GPU was not at load, and mine was. So, again, I don't really know how much difference that would make.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: ZeekAncient; 2022. aug. 24., 18:01
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