Wait till AMD 7000, or not?

[DoomSlayer]

Considering upgrading to an 5950x, cause I'm nearly certain now that my 10900k is slowly dying.

Crashes happen more often, still a pain to keep cool ... I've pretty much had it with Intel and their problems. And even more so since I upgraded to a more powerful GPU.

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Full system specs are on my profile page, or down below...

final edit

Bios update + chipset/other driver updates, seemed to have fixed something. Been about a hour now, system is apparently running much better. Running my old OC, 5.2all core up to 5.4 on a 1 - 4 core load - at under 1.38v which hasn't been possible for a long time.

[_I_]

how is the 10900k dying?

its a very good cpu yet, even without overclocking
make sure its cooler is working properly

if its crashing often, update bios, reset to defaults, enable xmp
and grab the drivers (chipset, usb, lan, audio) from the mobo site

[DoomSlayer]

引用自 _I_：

how is the 10900k dying?

its a very good cpu yet, even without overclocking
make sure its cooler is working properly

if its crashing often, update bios, reset to defaults, enable xmp
and grab the drivers (chipset, usb, lan, audio) from the mobo site

Yes... haven't checked the bios yet for updates. I already recently changed the board, PCIe slot on a gigabyte z590 board started dying on me.

XMP is enabled, ram is running at its rated speed of 4400 MHz.

My cpu is oc'd. I'm finding its needing more voltage now to remain stable than before. I've backed down from a 5.2 allcore oc to 5.1 - and lowered the voltage to 1.415v (from 1.44+) to hopefully regain some stability and lower temps a hair.

Coolers? Yeah. That's a nightmare for me ever since I got this cpu. I've tried the Intel cryo cooler, nzxt z73 Kraken, msi 360mm AIO and my current Arctic liquid freezer 360.

Conveniently, the arctic one has worked the best out of them all.

Idk. I'm looking into a new cpu/motherboard setup since I'm just getting tired dealing with all this nonsense. Never had issues with my previous 3800x, no idea why I went Intel.

My full system specs are on my profile page, I'ma look into updating the bios/drivers...if there's even any updates available

[emoticorpse]

If you went with a 5950x would you still overclock it?

How long have you had that cpu? When did the problems start?

Can you run a full user benchmark and post link here? Or does it crash before it finishes?

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

引用自 DoomSlayer：

Wait till AMD 7000, or not?

Would you be so kind and tell us, what you goals are in terms of waiting/buying right now ?
What do you hope to achieve while waiting for the next gen ?
Lower prices ?
Better availability?
Lower power consumption ?
Huge performance increase ?

edit: If thats the case, let me answer it for you. A big and fat "NO" for the first three questions and a big "YES" for the last one.

edit II : BTW, the 6950XT is going to be released in a few weeks. Would that be an option ?

[DoomSlayer]

引用自 emoticorpse：

If you went with a 5950x would you still overclock it?

How long have you had that cpu? When did the problems start?

Can you run a full user benchmark and post link here? Or does it crash before it finishes?

If I went with a 5950x....would I overclock it? I kinda have a tendency to mess around with, tune anything I get...

So, yes. I'd probably OC it...lol

When did the problems start.... That's hard to say, since I've been having issues cooling the damn thing since I got it, probably a year and half ago. Forgot how long I had it for.

Yes, here's my current score on userbenchmark. The other runs were when I was tuning my GPU. CPU scores seem to vary, I have power limited at 260w in the bios, otherwise things get too hot.

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/51708115
or
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/51707969
(...This PC is likely operated by a technical master!) lmao

Thats another reason why I want to upgrade. Be a hell of a lot easier to cool a CPU that doesn't use 250+ watts under full load, or 160+ when gaming.

[DoomSlayer]

引用自 Schrute_Farms_B&B：

引用自 DoomSlayer：

Wait till AMD 7000, or not?

Would you be so kind and tell us, what you goals are in terms of waiting/buying right now ?
What do you hope to achieve while waiting for the next gen ?
Lower prices ?
Better availability?
Lower power consumption ?
Huge performance increase ?

edit: If thats the case, let me answer it for you. A big and fat "NO" for the first three questions and a big "YES" for the last one.

edit II : BTW, the 6950XT is going to be released in a few weeks. Would that be an option ?

Waiting to see if 7000 series would provide enough of a performance lift, and if its worth the extra cost of switching to DDR5; which I don't want to do. I'm more than happy with my current RAM.

Availability for 7000 series, I'm expecting it to be hard to get a chip on launch. If anything, I'd expect a price drop on 5000 series CPUs.

Power consumption? Doubt it'd be worse than my current 10900k.

Prices? Eh. If I'm already expecting to spend $500+ on a CPU...I honestly don't really care as long as I have a trouble-free experience.


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And...6950? EH. I literally just upgraded to my 6800 XT. Apparently, won the silicon lottery with it, getting more performance than a 3090. Big difference switching from my 5700 XT.

I'm running 1440p...no complaints here. I'm loving the near triple FPS i'm getting. I will wait till the 7000 series RX cards come out.

For example...Doom Eternal...my 5700 XT never broke 200+ fps. I'm averaging 350+ and breaking 400 at times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp8IJlwCs-g

[A&A]

This does not automatically mean that your 10900k is the problem. It is possible to be from the regestry, I still think a lot of work needs to be done on Windows 11

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

In that case, wait. :)
The 6800XT ROCKS and the prices for Zen 3 are falling big time. Around 25-50 bucks a month.
But a 5900X would also do just fine. Or even a 5800X if youre just into gaming.
Youll usually wont need more than 8 cores for gaming. Im using a 5950X myself and the gaming performance is almost 1:1 compared to a 5800X.

Regarding your CPU issues, well need more infos to help you. For starters, are we talking freezes, CTDs or just a crash ? What does the reliability monitor/ event manager say at the very momentyoure having a problem with you system ?
.Does it also happen when you remove OC and XMP profile ?

A complete list of your specs would also help.

[DoomSlayer]

引用自 Schrute_Farms_B&B：

In that case, wait. :)
The 6800XT ROCKS and the prices for Zen 3 are falling big time. Around 25-50 bucks a month.
But a 5900X would also do just fine. Or even a 5800X if youre just into gaming.
Youll usually wont need more than 8 cores for gaming. Im using a 5950X myself and the gaming performance is almost 1:1 compared to a 5800X.

Regarding your CPU issues, well need more infos to help you. For starters, are we talking freezes, CTDs or just a crash ? What does the reliability monitor/ event manager say at the very momentyoure having a problem with you system ?
.Does it also happen when you remove OC and XMP profile ?

A complete list of your specs would also help.

"A complete list of your specs would also help."

Check my profile page, went very in-depth on my entire setup...

But TLDR:
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CPU: Intel I9 - 10900K Overclocked to 5.1GHz All-core - up to 5.3 (4.8GHz Cache) @1.41mv
Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II (360)
Thermal Paste: Thermal Grizzly Krynonaut
GPU: XFX Radeon RX 6800 XT Speedster SWFT 319 Core
RAM: GSKILL Trident Z Royal 4400MHz CL17 (2x16GB)
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z590 Gaming Edge WiFi
SSD: Crucial MX500 1TB
M2 SSD: WD Black SN750 NVMe SSD 1TB
HDD: Seagate BarraCuda 5400 4TB
PSU: EVGA Supernova 850 G5 80+ Gold
Sound-Card: Sound Blaster Z PCIe Gaming Sound Card
Case: DEEPCOOL MATREXX 50 RGB 4F ATX Mid-Tower Case (Soon to be changed...idk)
OS: Windows 11 Pro
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Yeah, I'm probably going to wait. Getting what I want to get, would be a lot of money when I'm currently saving for College and other things. Considering what I already spent on a GPU...no regrets, but OUCH. I won't complain about GPU prices again lmao!

Crashes are in terms of complete system freezes/lockups & BSODs. Event manager just says 'Critical system error' or something along those lines, doesn't give much information to go off of.

Now that I have a very powerful GPU, its making these instabilities a little more known...and also a teeny tiny bit...annoying.

I would get a 5950x mainly cause I do tend to play a lot of CPU intensive games, and programs that rely on having a lot of cores/threads.

I did just update my chipset drivers and some other things from the motherboard site...will see if that changes anything or not.

Edit:

Updated drivers + Bios, must've fixed something. Been running for about a hour now, at lower voltages than I had before and no cache errors. Which is interesting to me since it would happen within 15 - 30 mins if the voltage was too low.

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

Lets hope its just the chipset driver although it seems be too good to be true.
Keep in mind that it always helps, to temporarily remove all OC settings, even the XMP profile and let everything run on stock settings to get sure that it wasnt bad timings/settings/whatchamaccalit.

A fresh OS also doesnt hurt. And you need to be a bit specific about the event manager/reliability monitor error code. "Something along these lines" doesnt rly help to get to the root of your problem. ;) Could you "doubleklick it" and go a tad more into detail if possible ?
Some screenshots would also help.

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引用自 DoomSlayer：

Crashes are in terms of complete system freezes/lockups & BSODs.

That sucks and can literally be everything from a bad driver to faulty hardware. What does the BSOD say ? Could you download "bluescreenview" and share a screenshot ?

[Bad 💀 Motha]

What cooler is on your i9 cpu?

What cpu and gpu Temps do you get under full load stress tests?

When is the last time you did a clean Win10 install. As it's a good idea to clean install the latest version on such a setup. If using USB flash drive for Win10 install, wipe that out and remake it with latest Win10 media creation tool to get the latest Win10 version/build by default.

Is your Motherboard good enough for an i9? And have you updated the bios?

If going to change Motherboard to use a newer cpu, I'd wait and look at Intel 13th Gen or AMD AM5 stuff. All coming later this year.

For now I would troubleshoot the system you have now. It's probably something more simple then first thought.

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

It's highly unlikely that your CPU is dying. The problem is going to be with the computer itself, the way it's configured, bios, drivers, overclocks etc.

If you switch over to AMD you'll likely find their firmware problematic. You definitely won't be running your ram at 4400 speeds with AMD you'll definitely be lowering that.

[DoomSlayer]

引用自 Bad 💀 Motha：

What cooler is on your i9 cpu?

What cpu and gpu Temps do you get under full load stress tests?

When is the last time you did a clean Win10 install. As it's a good idea to clean install the latest version on such a setup. If using USB flash drive for Win10 install, wipe that out and remake it with latest Win10 media creation tool to get the latest Win10 version/build by default.

Is your Motherboard good enough for an i9? And have you updated the bios?

If going to change Motherboard to use a newer cpu, I'd wait and look at Intel 13th Gen or AMD AM5 stuff. All coming later this year.

For now I would troubleshoot the system you have now. It's probably something more simple then first thought.

1. For probably the third time...specs are on my profile, or in a reply above.

2. If you're asking for my specs, you probably don't know I'm running a Z590 MSI MPG board.

3. Bios update I'm currently in the process of doing, I'm 1 version behind.

4. Been having these issues for months. Regardless if I'm running win 10 or win 11. In fact, I had more problems on my old win 10 install, which was clean installed multiple times.

5. I'm ALWAYs, monitoring voltages/temps whatever. I'm one of those ppl who have HWiNFO opening 24/7 including MSI Afterburner OSD.

5.5. CPU temps in games are in the high 60s, low to mid 70s. Under full load, I'd usually see around 80 to 85c under a 250+ watt load.

5.6. GPU Temps, as seen in a video above - are very manageable.

and finally...yes, smart thing is to wait. Which I will most likely be doing.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

And they also have not seemed to confirm just yet if AMD AM5 will use DDR4 or 5. As it could end up being like how Intel 12th Gen is where you have offerings for both kinds of Motherboard. Some supporting ddr4 while others support ddr5. However ddr5 is much more expensive. Intel wants the various board makers to stop making boards that support ddr4. All seems to be in an effort to push high priced ddr5 onto consumers as well as oem builders; yielding higher overall system prices for next to zero real world gains at the user's level.

Yea I tried that MSI Motherboard. Was not too happy with it. Ended up sticking to the higher end offerings from ASUS and EVGA

[DoomSlayer]

引用自 Bad 💀 Motha：

And they also have not seemed to confirm just yet if AMD AM5 will use DDR4 or 5. As it could end up being like how Intel 12th Gen is where you have offerings for both kinds of Motherboard. Some supporting ddr4 while others support ddr5. However ddr5 is much more expensive. Intel wants the various board makers to stop making boards that support ddr4. All seems to be in an effort to push high priced ddr5 onto consumers as well as oem builders; yielding higher overall system prices for next to zero real world gains at the user's level

Yea I tried that MSI Motherboard. Was not too happy with it. Ended up sticking to the higher end offerings from ASUS and EVGA

Yeah...I don't want to switch to DDR5. Its still very expensive & I don't really understand DDR5 either, in terms of clock speeds and CAS Latencys. If AM5 has a DDR4 option, I'd consider it...if it not then...whatever ig, I'd wait till RAM prices drop.

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Whats wrong with the board lol? I like this a lot more than the 'z590 aorus elite ax' I had before. Considering the PCIE slot isn't dead yet, unlike the gigabyte, ^ I'd say its working well for me.