PC restart loop after small over clock of non K processor.

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I have an I74790 processor (non K) and Windows 7.

I recently changed the BLCK settings from auto to 105.0 which forces the boost clock to 4ghz on all cores as opposed to the previous 3.8ghz on all cores.

I have been playing games fine with it and no issues what so ever but for some reason, when I start my coputer up after it's been off for a while it will go into a continuous restart loop.

This does not happen if I turn the computer off for a few minutes and turn it back on agian.

[Jamebonds1]

Monk님이 먼저 게시:

Turbo is stock setting, anything manually increased beyond stock is an overclock, forcing g all cores to run at the single core turbo is overclocking.

You can overclock non K chips, it's just I'll advised as the bclk can mess up the entire system and is very hard to get stable.

Edit.
Also that forum post doesn't show anything g beyond that those posting don't know what they are on about.

I see many, many evidence that it does not overclock. i7 4770 non K can only go for 4 more ratio because of turbo mode max 3.9 GHz. So, it is still called turbo mode. I don't see any i7 4770 non-K overclocked to 4.5 GHz and that's it. The picture that I saw on other link does not proven that it can overclock. Also there are another link. http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/771317-How-Can-I-overclock-my-i7-4770

Just my opioion.

[Monk]

Then you don't understand what overclock means, ANYTHING beyond stock is an overclock, turbo only boosts one core on the majority of processors.
Just because it's difficult to get stable, messes with the timing GS of the entire system and is ill-advised doesn't mean it's not overclocking.

Edit.
Altering the bclk will affect all cores while turbo and boosts usually do not (most only boost one core not all).

[tacoshy]

Jamebonds1님이 먼저 게시:

I see many, many evidence that it does not overclock. i7 4770 non K can only go for 4 more ratio because of turbo mode max 3.9 GHz. So, it is still called turbo mode. I don't see any i7 4770 non-K overclocked to 4.5 GHz and that's it. The picture that I saw on other link does not proven that it can overclock. Also there are another link. http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/771317-How-Can-I-overclock-my-i7-4770

Just my opioion.

I'm very sorry that you do not have the knowledge to know the difference between Overclock and Turbo Boost which by this point has been explaine multiple times to you. I'm evry sorry that you cant therefor also not tell the difference if a CPU has been OC'ed or not by looking at pictures.

To get you up to the technical knowledge required to comment this at all in a professional matter I will explain it to you one last time:

Turbo Boost: A CPU has an information how much ehat it is allowed to produce. That information is called Thermal Design Power (TDP). Turbo Boost basically deactivates core (put the core into an idle C-State) so that this core doesnt do any calculations and therefor doesnt produce heat. Turbo Boost now transfer the TDP that this core would produce to another core which means that other core is allowed to run hotter. Since that the other core is now allowed to run hotter, that core will be able to run faster (higher frequency). to run at the maximum speed stated in Turbo Boost you have all cores despite the last disabled (idle).


Overclock: Means a CPU will run faster then the stock rating. For a 4770 it would be faster then 3.6GHz. The 3.9GHz Turbo Boost is not an OC see above. The main difference is outside of record breaking OC is, that it will run all cores of the CPU at higher speed and not just 1. The speed of a CPU is determined by 2 factors:

CPU Frequency = Bus Speed (BCLK) * CPU Multiplier

The K-CPU's on the package does not say Overclockable as every CPU is overclockable. Its says on the Box: UNLOCKED. Unlocked means the CPU multiplier is unlocked and you can change the multiplier. As you see the equasion above you will realize that changing the multiplier will make the CPU Frequency higher.

But also you will or have to realize that you also could change the Bus Speed BCLK to raise the CPU frequency. That can be changed by every Z motherboard and is not depending on the CPU. Therefor you can OC every CPU.


Why is BCLK not recommended? Because Not only the CPU will be OC'ed by changing the BCLK but everything. RAM, GPU, iGPU etc. as they all have their own multipliers and are multiplied with the same Bus Speed. So unless the rest of your hardware can run stable with the same multiplier you have to lwoer their multipliers to back to nromal speed again which cost a lot of time to test and find stable settings. This is hard and time consuming aswell as it takes a lot of experience to find out what actually caused a crash when failing. Frankly, everybody needing to ask how to OC and therefor a recommendation is not experienced enough to do this. Every Hardcore OC Enthusiast actually does. If you see every record in OC you realize that the BCLK aswell as the Multipliers have been raised.




So I hope you know understand this and realize that personal opinions does not matter when it comes down to technical facts.

[Jamebonds1]

Yes. I understand and know how overclock. I look and look, there are no i7 4770 non k overclock to 4.5 GHz. Only 3.8 GHz in turbo mode. I have i7 3770k too at 4.5 GHz, that is overclock, not turbo mode. This is fact. I had really like to see evidence that it can overclock beyond 3.9 GHz, but there is not.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2705735/cpu-overclockable.html
https://ark.intel.com/products/75122/Intel-Core-i7-4770-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz

[Monk]

It doesn't need to be a high overclock to be an overclock, you've had this explained multiple times now.
Increasing the BCLK will I crease all cores speed where the base turbo only increases the speed of one core.

Honestly tacoshy explained this very well and clearly, it's ok to not get everything to begin with, but trust us here, non K can be overclocked, it's just REALLY not advised.

[Jamebonds1]

Monk님이 먼저 게시:

It doesn't need to be a high overclock to be an overclock, you've had this explained multiple times now.
Increasing the BCLK will I crease all cores speed where the base turbo only increases the speed of one core.

Honestly tacoshy explained this very well and clearly, it's ok to not get everything to begin with, but trust us here, non K can be overclocked, it's just REALLY not advised.

Like I said, this is my opinion to begin with. No need big deal on this. And for that, I'm sorry that I can't give member,who is really good at hardware, what they want.

[tacoshy]

Jamebonds1님이 먼저 게시:

Monk님이 먼저 게시:

It doesn't need to be a high overclock to be an overclock, you've had this explained multiple times now.
Increasing the BCLK will I crease all cores speed where the base turbo only increases the speed of one core.

Honestly tacoshy explained this very well and clearly, it's ok to not get everything to begin with, but trust us here, non K can be overclocked, it's just REALLY not advised.

Like I said, this is my opinion to begin with. No need big deal on this. And for that, I'm sorry that I can't give member,who is really good at hardware, what they want.

yeah your opinion is that everythign below tubo boost clocks is not an overclock which is technical wrong. Everybody has their own opinion but just because your opinion is different then a technical fact doesnt make the the technical fact wrong.

And to prove that it can be even OCed beyond 3.9GHz to finally end this:

https://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_4770/

Record on that site has been validated with 4281.6MHz = 4.28GHz and 2nd place also with 4.27GHz.

So your personal opinion is wrong and the validations absolutly proof the technical fact that you can OC non-K CPU's

[Monk]

Sorry this isn't really an opinion thing, but more of a factual and technical situation.

[Jamebonds1]

Now that is evidence I had like to see.