Why GPU's prices so high?

[ProVegaGamer]

Wanted to buy a 600 dollars card, now its almost a 1,000 dollars hahaha.
What's the deal, people think everyone is making 6 figures or something now?
Not everyone is recovering that damn fast.

[Tiberius]

Blame cryptomining

[itzRiceKrispies]

ᴹᴼᴼᴺC A T の投稿を引用：

Not sure if serious or not... Unless you are living under a rock, you can't be oblivious to the semiconductor shortage that is affecting the GPU market as well as automobiles and other electronics.

Simple supply and demand economics. Demand is currently higher than supply.

The problem is compounded by the GPU semiconductor market, which, in terms of GPUs, is a duopoly. Most people are unaware that Nvidia also makes chips for cars as well.

It is further compounded by miners hoarding cards for mining rigs.

And then you have the scalpers...

Its also not helped by our wonderful game developers and publishers wanting to push the envelope of resolution and memory consumption to the extreme with the modern games(which is causing alot of older hardware to become painfully obsolete). My poor Nvidia 1060. :'( U were once great, but alas u and my 16GB of Ram can no longer suffice.

[carl]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/988048/nvidia-research-and-development-expenses/

On the subject of research and development costs for the likes of nvidia I was quite surprised at first but it's in the billions of dollars annually.

[TCR Apex]

Everything electronic right now is crazy , blame Covid 19 lol something’s gotta give

[Monk]

Mind の投稿を引用：

Monk の投稿を引用：

What, that things get more complex over time? I think anyone with the know how to design a gpu would know that...

Not sure what you were getting at, but I suspect you have no idea what goes into making a gpu and just how complex and expensive they are to design and make.

Mind の投稿を引用：

There were far fewer people buying them back then. I think it was one of the first dedicated graphics cards, too. The voodoo2 was merely a 3d accelerator card that ran on the PCI bus with another basic 2D card. Sure, technology advances and can appear more complicated, and yes fabrication is getting more difficult as they're now reaching the quantum tunnelling stage. However, the same could be said for cars. Cars today are more complicated, but you can also get a new car today that will out perform a much older super car at a fraction of the cost (inflation taken into account).

The reason cards today are so expensive is because they've mostly been sold to big miner groups in China and elsewhere. No wonder there is scarcity because it happened so suddenly over a period of a few years. With profits high there just isn't much incentive to get the cards to the gamers.

Monk の投稿を引用：

Even the base cost of production is far higher, just look at the transistor count on those old cards compared to modern ones.

Oh and cars have gone up in price a hell of alot overall compared to 20 to 30 years ago.

Mind の投稿を引用：

But it isn't, since the plants are all setup and the more produced and sold results in lower costs. Creating a prototype chip will of course be incredibly expensive.

Cars are not more expensive now. Even poor people have them.

Monk の投稿を引用：

Yes they are, go look at the price of a hatchback 30 years ago compared to now.

Sorry but you seem to have no idea what you are talking about overall.

I sense your insecurity here.

What?

So because I point you to the obvious that things get more expensive as they get more complex I'm insecure?

You maje so little sense and get so little right on this forum its crazy, anyway I'm done for now.

[Viking2121]

A&A の投稿を引用：

Cars can be more expensive (if we're talking about the EU), they're more expensive just because they push emissions taxes, so that's why, the hell, electric cars are going to be cheaper.

Even if the technology is evolving, even if we have quantum processors, for the normal user at the moment he doesn't need this thing, he can't use it, nor will be faster than if you play an old game and so on. We see that the CPUs and GPUs from 2014 are still in use and perform well enough to this day.

Ummm no, its going to be quite the opposite, you need more electronics to run an electric car, they are already talking about the EV tax on some places here in the US, Not to mention to maintain them things are going to be a nightmare as most common garages wont be able to do some things so you get the dealer that over charges for the simplest things let alone a major repair, I will put down some money that Electric cars will not and never will be cheaper than a gas car with far less electronics becuase they know how dumb people are and how much they are willing to spend on the next best hunk of junk out there, Your going to have mechanical parts running a brake booster, A/C, of course a more complication heating system for winter, not to mention the crazy 50 different TV screens they put in them things now, not a single chance, they will bank on "The future is here!" and jack up the prices based on that alone.

[A&A]

I can agree that these electric cars are more expensive and not environmentally friendly than a gas car or diesel car or whatever the fk is it.

So that was before, now, we should tax Li Long Musk for his cars. :D
But let's not forget that there are governments that pay you to get an electric car

[itzRiceKrispies]

A&A の投稿を引用：

I can agree that these electric cars are more expensive and not environmentally friendly than a gas cat or diesel car or whatever the fk is it.

So that was before, now, we should tax Li Long Musk for his cars. :D
But let's not forget that there are governments that pay you to get an electric car

Shame about that Carbon foot print tho.....

[TCR Apex]

Ya so stupid doesn’t make sense

ILikeRiceKrispies の投稿を引用：

A&A の投稿を引用：

I can agree that these electric cars are more expensive and not environmentally friendly than a gas cat or diesel car or whatever the fk is it.

So that was before, now, we should tax Li Long Musk for his cars. :D
But let's not forget that there are governments that pay you to get an electric car

Shame about that Carbon foot print tho.....

[HHH33]

Monk の投稿を引用：

HHH33 の投稿を引用：

3dfx Voodoo3 3500 cost $200 in 1999. Apparently that's $333 in today's dollars. The TNT2 Ultra was only a little more, for lower capability.

And today's cards aren't 1000x more complicated and expensive to build / design or anything....

transistor counts are up 3000x for gaming gpus, 300x for gaming cpus. the prices scale almost exactly to this 10x difference in change. but games will be built for the high end, and this means pc gaming is dead.

interestingly, 20 years ago there were various Pentium shortages. Not being able to get silicon you want is nothing new.

[ProVegaGamer]

I just notice there's a user name "monk" in this thread. Man i love that tv show.

[Monk]

Never seen it, I take my name from ye olde engludh monks who did nothing but make and drink beer all day :)

[Turbo6MTawD]

Mind の投稿を引用：

A&A の投稿を引用：

Cars can be more expensive (if we're talking about the EU), they're more expensive just because they push emissions taxes, so that's why, the hell, electric cars are going to be cheaper.

I can't vouch for electric cars, but emission taxes isn't market driven. It's government imposed. Yes, this interference can price things out of reach, which is what they did with smoking. They will probably push fuel up too, whilst congratulating themselves over it.

Okay, let's pretend everyone is going to drive EVs. Most are already too expensive even after govt subsidies. What do you think will happen when fuel tax revenues completely evaporate? EVs will become even more expensive, or electricity will and even people who don't drive are going to be directly paying more.

Inflation has a lot to do with it also. The US has increased their cash in the system by over 30% since the pandemic started. That's insane.

Then cryptocurrency mining has made GPUs into a profit-making asset. So all GPUs are going to be bought up immediately as long as the cryptocurrency dog pile is happening.

Last but not least, you have trade wars, political instability, and pandemic shutdowns which are all affecting the supply chain.

You won't see PC gaming be affordable for many years, because prices have already "normalized" in the sense that they're here to stay.

[HHH33]

Turbo6MTawD の投稿を引用：

Mind の投稿を引用：

I can't vouch for electric cars, but emission taxes isn't market driven. It's government imposed. Yes, this interference can price things out of reach, which is what they did with smoking. They will probably push fuel up too, whilst congratulating themselves over it.

Okay, let's pretend everyone is going to drive EVs. Most are already too expensive even after govt subsidies. What do you think will happen when fuel tax revenues completely evaporate? EVs will become even more expensive, or electricity will and even people who don't drive are going to be directly paying more.

Inflation has a lot to do with it also. The US has increased their cash in the system by over 30% since the pandemic started. That's insane.

Then cryptocurrency mining has made GPUs into a profit-making asset. So all GPUs are going to be bought up immediately as long as the cryptocurrency dog pile is happening.

Last but not least, you have trade wars, political instability, and pandemic shutdowns which are all affecting the supply chain.

You won't see PC gaming be affordable for many years, because prices have already "normalized" in the sense that they're here to stay.

it seems to mostly be due to pro and gaming capabilities merging. Top of the line cpus for gaming are not the largest cpus, they are cheaper cpus. So you don't game on Xeon or Epyc. You actually lose gaming performance when you pay more money, pretty much like it's always been. But when it comes to GPU, there is nothing better in the industry than gaming GPU. Say you have a business 3D graphics application. You will basically get an A6000 or a 3090, if you need the top of the line.

[Turbo6MTawD]

HHH33 の投稿を引用：

Turbo6MTawD の投稿を引用：

Okay, let's pretend everyone is going to drive EVs. Most are already too expensive even after govt subsidies. What do you think will happen when fuel tax revenues completely evaporate? EVs will become even more expensive, or electricity will and even people who don't drive are going to be directly paying more.

Inflation has a lot to do with it also. The US has increased their cash in the system by over 30% since the pandemic started. That's insane.

Then cryptocurrency mining has made GPUs into a profit-making asset. So all GPUs are going to be bought up immediately as long as the cryptocurrency dog pile is happening.

Last but not least, you have trade wars, political instability, and pandemic shutdowns which are all affecting the supply chain.

You won't see PC gaming be affordable for many years, because prices have already "normalized" in the sense that they're here to stay.

it seems to mostly be due to pro and gaming capabilities merging. Top of the line cpus for gaming are not the largest cpus, they are cheaper cpus. So you don't game on Xeon or Epyc. You actually lose gaming performance when you pay more money, pretty much like it's always been. But when it comes to GPU, there is nothing better in the industry than gaming GPU. Say you have a business 3D graphics application. You will basically get an A6000 or a 3090, if you need the top of the line.

Yes but the CCDs used in say a 5800X are also used in the Epyc. I definitely agree with you, it certainly affects it, but not to the extent that inflation, mining, and strained supply chains do.