The ("New") RTX 2060 12GB version

[A&A]

Why Nvidia is launching a GPU which is just the updated version of RTX 2060 Super with smaller memory width???

This GPU have a performance close to RTX 3060, but we cant even have RTX 2060 (6GB) or 3060 for a normal price , so what is the point of launching it? Why they cant just launch something like RTX 3050 with 4GB VRAM??

[ZeekAncient]

I think the pandemic genuinely threw the industry a curve ball. Coupled with the spike in crypto and mining which caused the demand for GPUs to skyrocket and silicon manufacturers couldn't keep up with it. So scalpers bought up all the stock and are reselling them at outrageous prices. But I do think that if the pandemic wouldn't of happened that supply could have kept up with demand and we wouldn't be seeing these outrageous prices.

[Illusion of Progress]

引用自 ZeekAncient：

But I do think that if the pandemic wouldn't of happened that supply could have kept up with demand and we wouldn't be seeing these outrageous prices.

Have to disagree on this part (though I agree with the rest of what you said). I think we'd be experiencing similar GPU pricing and availability issues regardless.

I know I state this a lot, but Etherium's profitability is currently largely what's been dictating GPU pricing and availability this year.

The further supply issues definitely aren't helping, mind you, and I'm not intending to just write off such issues as they are also issues in and of themselves, but I really don't see things being a whole lot better even with more supply because of the nature of the current demand being one that can't be satisfied, so to speak (because the cause for the demand is "this product generates profit" so naturally its pricing and thus also its availability will be massively dictated by the level of which it can generate profit). In other words, more supply would simply sell out as well.

You can even use the past for reference. This very situation you propose (mining boom with no pandemic) occurred before and it played out much the same way, albeit less pronounced. The pricing and availability wasn't as bad because the profitability levels weren't as high as they are now.

Ergo, profitability of crypto being positive while using the product in question is largely what's dictating these pricing and availability conditions of said product as it's the thing setting into play the infinite saturation point/unsatisfiable demand (whereas a "traditional" market of just gamers would have an eventual saturation point), and the severity follows in line with the level of profitability. All of this would be just as true in a world without a pandemic (and once was), even if that's also caused additional issues.

[ZeekAncient]

I mean, you could be right. I wasn't stating a fact that if the pandemic wouldn't have happened that supply could have kept up, it was just an opinion. But at the same time, not a strong opinion, lol. I mean, I am sure that the semiconductor manufacturing companies have been affected by the pandemic, just as every other company as. But, again, you are probably right that even if the pandemic would have happened or not, we might still be in the same situation. Alls I know is that GPU prices are through the roof and is very hard to get one at a decent price.

[MoonC A T]

引用自 Tesseract：

i mean the price and shortage of subsequent series feels deliberately nefarious

might be wrong

Yeah, you're wrong. The chip shortage is affecting cars too, pretty sure it's not some nefarious conspiracy. Also seeping into consumer electronics.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

Isn't it because of their manufactioring process?
Like everything new is 7nm (?) and the 2060 still works with 10 or 14nm (?) so they can produce more. (Don't knew the exact numbers but it's fact that there are still capacitys left)

But i still wouldn't buy it. It's going to be scalped and it's too little of an updgrade for me with my rx580.
(Oh and pssst, amd is recommended for Linux anyways ;)

[Illusion of Progress]

引用自 ZeekAncient：

I mean, you could be right. I wasn't stating a fact that if the pandemic wouldn't have happened that supply could have kept up, it was just an opinion. But at the same time, not a strong opinion, lol. I mean, I am sure that the semiconductor manufacturing companies have been affected by the pandemic, just as every other company as. But, again, you are probably right that even if the pandemic would have happened or not, we might still be in the same situation. Alls I know is that GPU prices are through the roof and is very hard to get one at a decent price.

Yeah, I know it was an opinion, and I was just stating mine in turn with reasoning. That's part of what the discussion boards are for. What I stated was merely my own opinion so it's also open to being wrong.

[MoonC A T]

The issue is made worse by the fact that the gpu market is largely a duopoly. Clearly that doesn't help.

[Illusion of Progress]

Yeah, and they've been caught price fixing decades ago so I don't expect their behavior is any better now, but the largest factor causing this truly is well and out of their direct control, so it's not so much on them (unless nVidia and/or AMD are at least in part driving Etherium's demand behind the scenes or something). The fact that they capitalize on that market while it is there and thriving, much to the detriment of gamers, isn't a "wrong" thing for them to do as a company though.

[Heretic]

引用自 Illusion of Progress：

Yeah, and they've been caught price fixing decades ago so I don't expect their behavior is any better now, but the largest factor causing this truly is well and out of their direct control, so it's not so much on them (unless nVidia and/or AMD are at least in part driving Etherium's demand behind the scenes or something). The fact that they capitalize on that market while it is there and thriving, much to the detriment of gamers, isn't a "wrong" thing for them to do as a company though.

In the short term, unless PC gaming is even more volatile than Ethereum. I'm hoping more people move away from this overly expensive PC platform. It will reduce demand and lower prices for an eventual resurgence of non-RGB tack PCs in the coming years.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

引用自 Mind：

引用自 Illusion of Progress：

Yeah, and they've been caught price fixing decades ago so I don't expect their behavior is any better now, but the largest factor causing this truly is well and out of their direct control, so it's not so much on them (unless nVidia and/or AMD are at least in part driving Etherium's demand behind the scenes or something). The fact that they capitalize on that market while it is there and thriving, much to the detriment of gamers, isn't a "wrong" thing for them to do as a company though.

In the short term, unless PC gaming is even more volatile than Ethereum. I'm hoping more people move away from this overly expensive PC platform. It will reduce demand and lower prices for an eventual resurgence of non-RGB tack PCs in the coming years.

Or just be like me and buy a rx580 for less than 200 bucks mid 2020 (short before chip shortage) and be happy with it. Seriously. Although it's not the fastest. It's still enough.

And you always have to ask yourself. "Is it worth" paying 500 bucks for a 6700xt?" Of course it's faster can handle raytracing. But my current card can handle all games just fine. So no reason to update currently