bios updated caused windows to deactivate

[eqalidan]

anyone know what to do or is this a contact microsoft and hope they don't screw me issue?

[Ð₳Ɽ₭★𐌔Ŧ₳Ɽ]

well i know that what i am going to say wont help you, but, in my more then 20 years building systems i have never, not once, have a copy of windows deactivate on me while updating the bios.

seems really strange to me.

do you still have the windows key?

you could just buy a new key for like 15 bucks

[eqalidan]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ÐarK★StaR:

well i know that what i am going to say wont help you, but, in my more then 20 years building systems i have never, not once, have a copy of windows deactivate on me while updating the bios.

seems really strange to me.

do you still have the windows key?

you could just buy a new key for like 15 bucks

should have the key, and this issue seems to be a fun bug with windows 10 that never got resolved, some people have the problem, some don't, and its rare enough that when someone has the issue it sparks a debate in if that can even cause it rather then a solution.

as for 15$, it costs around 30, something if avoidable would be preferable.

[Ð₳Ɽ₭★𐌔Ŧ₳Ɽ]

well you should just be-able to re-inter the key and activate it, as for 15 usd windows keys , just a quick google search turned up 13$ to 15$ keys

[cakebuff]

As far as i know, Windows does Not update your BIOS, is too risky anyway, even microcode updates for the CPU are run as the OS boots, not installed into the BIOS. I have never seen an Windows update brick the motherboard, any faulty or incompatible driver update just caused Windows to BSOD (but who knows if a brick had happened once?), neither have seen any system being deactivated by an update.

From Windows 10, once a system has been activated, combination of CPU, motherboard, GPU, HDD, a HWID is made for that setup when activating your system, when you reinstall Windows 10 and reach internet, Windows will automatically reactivate with HWID, if too much changes, where replacing the CPU or motherboard triggers HWID problems faster, then system may be deactivated.

What motherboard or laptop model do you use?
Saying only the manufacturer name is not acceptable, cause that would mean we have to guess between hundreds of motherboards :d.

Did you buy the Windows 10 key, where did you buy it from? If you bought it from some website unrelated to Microsoft, it's usually not 'legal' usage according to Microsoft, it'll work, but may stop working anytime, according to Microsoft, (but in reality most people do this for tens of years and it's usually works fine), but in the case you bought it from some unreputable person, who knows if he used or sold the product key to several people and it's being used on several Windows installations, causing it to possibly seen as illegal usage and thus deactivated....

Also if you bought a product key and used that, that key will Not be stored in the BIOS of your system. If it's a laptop or premade system, a OEM product key that the system was preactivated with when you bought the system, may be stored in the BIOS and may still be there, there is a tool from Nirsoft named Produkey you can use to view that OEM key (btw, that OEM key is for that motherboard, you should not use it on other motherboards), but if you never did anything with another product key, usually the system just automatically activates just fine.


...another possibility is you reinstalled Windows 10, but used another version like Pro instead of Home?
Look, i know what you asked, but i am just grabbing at straws to give ideas, since you might made mistakes and don't know fully yourself what you did wrong.

[Philco7a]

Windows keeps its software key in motherboard BIOS. I buy used motherboards off of Ebay for $10 to get the Win 10 Pro keys.

To find the key hit the Windows button & X. At command prompt type this:

wmic path SoftwareLicensingService get OA3xOriginalProductKey

Will provide you your Windows key if you have one

[eqalidan]

Diposting pertama kali oleh cakebuff:

As far as i know, Windows does Not update your BIOS, even microcode updates for the CPU are run as the OS boots, not installed into the BIOS. I have never seen an Windows update brick the motherboard, any faulty or incompatible driver update just caused Windows to BSOD (but who knows if a brick had happened once?), neither seen any system being deactivated.

From Windows 10, once a system has been activated, combination of CPU, motherboard, GPU, HDD, a HWID is made for that setup when activating your system, when you reinstall Windows 10 and reach internet, Windows will automatically reactivate with HWID, if too much changes, where replacing the CPU or motherboard triggers HWID problems faster, then system may be deactivated.

What motherboard or laptop model do you use?
Saying only the manufacturer name is not acceptable, cause that would mean we have to guess between hundreds of motherboards :d.

Did you buy the Windows 10 key, where did you buy it from? If you bought it from some website unrelated to Windows 10, it's usually not 'legal' according to Microsoft, it'll work, but may stop working anytime (but in reality most do this for tens of years and it's usually fine), but in the case you bought it from an unreputable person, who knows if he used or sold the product key to several people and it's being used on several Windows installations, causing it to possibly seen as illegal usage and thus deactivated....

Also you bought a product key and used that, that key would not be stored in the BIOS of your system. If it's a laptop or premade system, the key may still be in the BIOS, there is a tool from Nirsoft named Produkey you can use to view that OEM key (btw, that OEM key is for that motherboard, you should not use it on other systems), but if you never did anything with another product key, usually the system just automatically activates just fine.


...another possibility is you reinstalled Windows 10, but used another version like Pro instead of Home?

it was a bios update, little brother got a new gpu, and wanted smart access memory because its available to him, among other incremental performance improvements, so update the bios we go.

after update, apparently the motherboard enabled tpm and wouldn't work with the usb keyboard correctly so it reverted to the old bios a few times, but eventually got that problem sorted out and into windows, but now the activate windows watermark is there, and before we do anything I wanted to check if this was a known issue, turns out its a rare enough issue that people know it happens, and every time it happens it causes a debate on if its possible.

he had the gpu for 2-3 days without issue, however the bios update tripped it.

not sure where the key ultimately came from, but it was likely someone reselling the extra activations on a version they had. if this happened outside of working before the bios update and not working after, I would agree, but the way that the activation works, at least as far as I know, is it works on X computers then stops, further tries to activate it wouldn't trip a full code refusal.

windows wasnt re installed, it was just a pain to get it to boot again because tpm got enabled and the keyboard wouldn't take us to bios due to usb... and while the key isn't stored in the bios, alot of info is made available to windows, im thinking the possibility of the gpu and then the bios update may have tripped something, it at least makes some sense to me, 100% ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ but it does make some sense.

[eqalidan]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Philco7a:

Windows keeps its software key in motherboard BIOS. I buy used motherboards off of Ebay for $10 to get the Win 10 Pro keys.

To find the key hit the Windows button & X. At command prompt type this:

wmic path SoftwareLicensingService get OA3xOriginalProductKey

Will provide you your Windows key if you have one

I thought bios stored keys were only for oem

[cakebuff]

Diposting pertama kali oleh eqalidan:

it was a bios update, little brother got a new gpu, and wanted smart access memory because its available to him, among other incremental performance improvements, so update the bios we go.

after update, apparently the motherboard enabled tpm and wouldn't work with the usb keyboard correctly so it reverted to the old bios a few times, but eventually got that problem sorted out and into windows, but now the activate windows watermark is there, and before we do anything I wanted to check if this was a known issue, turns out its a rare enough issue that people know it happens, and every time it happens it causes a debate on if its possible.

he had the gpu for 2-3 days without issue, however the bios update tripped it.

not sure where the key ultimately came from, but it was likely someone reselling the extra activations on a version they had. if this happened outside of working before the bios update and not working after, I would agree, but the way that the activation works, at least as far as I know, is it works on X computers then stops, further tries to activate it wouldn't trip a full code refusal.

windows wasnt re installed, it was just a pain to get it to boot again because tpm got enabled and the keyboard wouldn't take us to bios due to usb... and while the key isn't stored in the bios, alot of info is made available to windows, im thinking the possibility of the gpu and then the bios update may have tripped something, it at least makes some sense to me, 100% ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ but it does make some sense.

Ok, so you or your lite brother upgraded the BIOS (either through Windows with a executable file {obtained from the manufacturers website} or through using the BIOS file {that you obtained from thr manufacturers website}, and selecting upgrade BIOS within the settings of the BIOS of your motherboard) and from then on problems started happening.

Which motherboard are you using and to which BIOS version did you update? Also, TPM likely did not your keyboard to stop working, probably something else funky is going on.

As far as i know, TPM usually is disabled on most BIOS of motherboards...unless this is different for the update of your BIOS, probably because new BIOS update of manufacturer wants to make default setting better for Windows 11, since TPM is required by Microsoft? And even if it did cause a problem, you can turn it off in the BIOS if needed to test.

You probably mean Secure Boot? But even then, that probably isn't it...maybe some chipset update or other driver update needed in Windows 10 for stuff updated in the BIOS to make keyboard, or USB port itself work, usually it some device doesn't work properly in Windows, in Device Manager options in Windows you see a yellow warning next to a device, when checking in optiosn you see message driver is needed or something like that.


I really dunno, with very limited information you give i can only guess about the rest and try ignore the assumptions/noise you make that you think might solve it or be the problem, i do not even know what motherboard or BIOS version, what method you updated the BIOS, if you use Windows 10 or 11, what keyboard you use that stopped working and if you tested if any other USB device did work, if your system was preactivated by the manufacturer (OEM key in the BIOS, you can check with Produkey from Nirsoft, will say if it's from the BIOS or software in Windows) or you used some key from a shady place...

Or is it possible you forgot you activated your system using some software like KMSpico (ps dev stopped devloping that tool, anyone using that tool, plan about uninstalling it and using something else like KMS_VL_All, or actually using a product key, Also Stop Downloading possibly Infected/malware bundled ♥♥♥♥/activators from random Torrents or shady websites that you don't even verify if they are the same as the ones from the devs, Only Download from the devs, they are on MyDigitalLife, Nowhere Else, and No, your petty AV, no matter if you pay money, will likely not detect the malware in your possibly infected activator), or KMS_VL_ALL or Microsoft Toolkit, but some AV deleted the activator files (which you didn't whitelist), causing your system to deactivate, which coincidentally happened when you upgraded your BIOS, so you thought it was the fault of the BIOS?

Earlier you also said some people have the problem and some don't, where did you read that or what brought you to that conclusion?

I do not even know if you or your little brother made any other changes that could have caused the problems, but you witheld that information because you forgot or don't think it causes the problem.


Maybe give information about your hardware, OS, software your running, exactly everything you did, etc.
I mean, it's better than saying something similiar to ("Hello, my computer has a problem, it shows a message, it's a hacker i think, please give solution" "ok, lemme grab my detective uniform and look in my magic ball" :) ).

[Bad 💀 Motha]

The key should already be there; save the key by installing and running SPECCY.
Once that loads up, click on Operating System. You can highlight the text there and press CTRL+C to Copy and then go Paste that to a Text file.

If it fails to re-activate, call MS and explain what happened, very simple. They should be able to either connect to your PC and fix the issue, or run you through a series of steps to correct the problem.

[Philco7a]

Log into Windows 10 with your Microsoft account, since its a non OEM motherboard. Should auto validate windows. It's tied to your Microsoft account

[Out Of Bubblegum]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Philco7a:

Log into Windows 10 with your Microsoft account, since its a non OEM motherboard. Should auto validate windows. It's tied to your Microsoft account

This.
I had to reactivate Windows once when my CMOS battery died. I think that was it. I talked to MS on the phone and he could do nothing. The only way is to use an MS account. Log in and reactivate. If you don't have a MS account, you will have to make one. I did. I never wanted a MS account before that. I still don't want one but it is useful to register your PC with your key.

[eqalidan]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Out Of Bubblegum:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Philco7a:

Log into Windows 10 with your Microsoft account, since its a non OEM motherboard. Should auto validate windows. It's tied to your Microsoft account

This.
I had to reactivate Windows once when my CMOS battery died. I think that was it. I talked to MS on the phone and he could do nothing. The only way is to use an MS account. Log in and reactivate. If you don't have a MS account, you will have to make one. I did. I never wanted a MS account before that. I still don't want one but it is useful to register your PC with your key.

tried that, it came back with nothing is activated on that account,
the Microsoft tech support said that something was corrupt so reinstall over the old version, that didn't work, and now he formatted the drive and reinstalled that didn't work

Diposting pertama kali oleh cakebuff:

Diposting pertama kali oleh eqalidan:

it was a bios update, little brother got a new gpu, and wanted smart access memory because its available to him, among other incremental performance improvements, so update the bios we go.

after update, apparently the motherboard enabled tpm and wouldn't work with the usb keyboard correctly so it reverted to the old bios a few times, but eventually got that problem sorted out and into windows, but now the activate windows watermark is there, and before we do anything I wanted to check if this was a known issue, turns out its a rare enough issue that people know it happens, and every time it happens it causes a debate on if its possible.

he had the gpu for 2-3 days without issue, however the bios update tripped it.

not sure where the key ultimately came from, but it was likely someone reselling the extra activations on a version they had. if this happened outside of working before the bios update and not working after, I would agree, but the way that the activation works, at least as far as I know, is it works on X computers then stops, further tries to activate it wouldn't trip a full code refusal.

windows wasnt re installed, it was just a pain to get it to boot again because tpm got enabled and the keyboard wouldn't take us to bios due to usb... and while the key isn't stored in the bios, alot of info is made available to windows, im thinking the possibility of the gpu and then the bios update may have tripped something, it at least makes some sense to me, 100% ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ but it does make some sense.

Ok, so you or your lite brother upgraded the BIOS (either through Windows with a executable file {obtained from the manufacturers website} or through using the BIOS file {that you obtained from thr manufacturers website}, and selecting upgrade BIOS within the settings of the BIOS of your motherboard) and from then on problems started happening.

Which motherboard are you using and to which BIOS version did you update? Also, TPM likely did not your keyboard to stop working, probably something else funky is going on.

As far as i know, TPM usually is disabled on most BIOS of motherboards...unless this is different for the update of your BIOS, probably because new BIOS update of manufacturer wants to make default setting better for Windows 11, since TPM is required by Microsoft? And even if it did cause a problem, you can turn it off in the BIOS if needed to test.

You probably mean Secure Boot? But even then, that probably isn't it...maybe some chipset update or other driver update needed in Windows 10 for stuff updated in the BIOS to make keyboard, or USB port itself work, usually it some device doesn't work properly in Windows, in Device Manager options in Windows you see a yellow warning next to a device, when checking in optiosn you see message driver is needed or something like that.


I really dunno, with very limited information you give i can only guess about the rest and try ignore the assumptions/noise you make that you think might solve it or be the problem, i do not even know what motherboard or BIOS version, what method you updated the BIOS, if you use Windows 10 or 11, what keyboard you use that stopped working and if you tested if any other USB device did work, if your system was preactivated by the manufacturer (OEM key in the BIOS, you can check with Produkey from Nirsoft, will say if it's from the BIOS or software in Windows) or you used some key from a shady place...

Or is it possible you forgot you activated your system using some software like KMSpico (ps dev stopped devloping that tool, anyone using that tool, plan about uninstalling it and using something else like KMS_VL_All, or actually using a product key, Also Stop Downloading possibly Infected/malware bundled ♥♥♥♥/activators from random Torrents or shady websites that you don't even verify if they are the same as the ones from the devs, Only Download from the devs, they are on MyDigitalLife, Nowhere Else, and No, your petty AV, no matter if you pay money, will likely not detect the malware in your possibly infected activator), or KMS_VL_ALL or Microsoft Toolkit, but some AV deleted the activator files (which you didn't whitelist), causing your system to deactivate, which coincidentally happened when you upgraded your BIOS, so you thought it was the fault of the BIOS?

Earlier you also said some people have the problem and some don't, where did you read that or what brought you to that conclusion?

I do not even know if you or your little brother made any other changes that could have caused the problems, but you witheld that information because you forgot or don't think it causes the problem.


Maybe give information about your hardware, OS, software your running, exactly everything you did, etc.
I mean, it's better than saying something similiar to ("Hello, my computer has a problem, it shows a message, it's a hacker i think, please give solution" "ok, lemme grab my detective uniform and look in my magic ball" :) ).

I believe the motherboard is a gigabyte aorus x570 master...

and nah, he used a legit key, one of the places we don't consider cracks an option is the base os as its far less a hassle to buy a key and use it for 5+ years then deal with any kind of crack constantly being patched out of working.

his original win 10 was a 7 upgrade, and when he got a new motherboard, he bought a key for it.

im kind of thinking he is going to need to re buy windows 10 again... as every route for reactivation is seeming less and less likely to work.

[cakebuff]

Ok, latest BIOS update 'F35e' does indeed enable TPM (fTPM is software TPM 2.0 of the CPU), changelog:

"Major vulnerabilities updates, customers are strongly encouraged to update to this release at the earliest.
Credits to "Assaf Carlsbad and Itai Liba from SentinelOne"
• Introduce capsule BIOS support starting this version.

Checksum : FCEE
Update AGESA ComboV2 1.2.0.4 A
Change default status of AMD PSP fTPM to Enabled for addressing basic Windows 11 requirements (https://support.microsoft.com/windows/1fd5a332-360d-4f46-a1e7-ae6b0c90645c)"

As for problems that it might cause for activation, looking into that if i can find something about it...

[cakebuff]

Diposting pertama kali oleh eqalidan:

and nah, he used a legit key, one of the places we don't consider cracks an option is the base os as its far less a hassle to buy a key and use it for 5+ years then deal with any kind of crack constantly being patched out of working.

his original win 10 was a 7 upgrade, and when he got a new motherboard, he bought a key for it.

im kind of thinking he is going to need to re buy windows 10 again... as every route for reactivation is seeming less and less likely to work.

While it is fine if you want to call KMS_VL_ALL a 'crack' if you want to, it will work just fine if you want to use it to activate your system, it's definitely not going to deactivate that easily Any time soon and is trustworthy, but if you get it, get it from MyDigitalLife Forums (you'll need an account), not some random Google'd up ♥♥♥♥♥♥ download website, torrent or any such shaddy sources.
Of course activating with a real key is a better option...unless maybe someone wanted to use Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC...


....onwards to looking into problems related to your motherboard and that BIOS update (and previous BIOS versions).

[eqalidan]

I think he is doing one last thing before ill just have him activate it that way, he can live with it till he goes to windows 11