temps 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 5:49
Ray Tracing is NVIDIA Hype
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VGwHoSrIEU

Lol most people can't tell the difference between games with ray tracing and games without it. (See the video for proof)

It's funny because I've seen a lot of threads in forums for my games where people are like "BUT DOES IT HAVE RAY TRACING?!?!? I WANT RAY TRACING BECAUSE I SPENT EXTRA FOR AN RTX GPU!"
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r.linder 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 5:53 
Depends on the implementation. Doesn't always end up being good/bad.

In Cyberpunk 2077, you can definitely see the difference, and it looks very nice.
Bad 💀 Motha 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 6:48 
It's not hype and also AMD has the same thing, just a different name and implantation of it.

The issues are really just that so few games have been released or upgraded to have RT, DLSS, etc. However it is very nice, especially the DLSS.

I don't take the whole "most people can't tell the difference" BS into consideration, cause many people have bad eyes and can't tell the difference between 1080p vs 2160p (4K) as well; that's their problem, not mine.

CP 2077 is one game where it looks very bad without it; making it look like some game from before 2015 or something.

Now many folks have come to me and said things like:
"I don't need RT or DLSS and I don't care about such things, why should I buy any RTX GPU"

Well because the fact remains that even if you do not use such features in your games, you're going to hit a brick wall with the best available GTX GPU. The only way to have more raw gpu performance above the best GTX card, is to step up to a better RTX card. Such as RTX 2080 Super or better. Otherwise a 1080 Ti is just fine.
temps 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 6:55 
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
Now many folks have come to me and said things like:
"I don't need RT or DLSS and I don't care about such things, why should I buy any RTX GPU"

Well because the fact remains that even if you do not use such features in your games, you're going to hit a brick wall with the best available GTX GPU.

Current-generation AMD GPUs are pretty good assuming you don't want to use ray tracing or DLSS... lol.

Funny that you act like the alternative to an NVIDIA RTX card is some several year old GTX card...
Bad 💀 Motha 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 6:59 
AMD GPUs are crap; could not pay me to use them.
They have crappy cooling, design and drivers. No thanks.
AMD hasn't had a good GPU since ATI used to make them.

The alternative is a GTX card, such as 1080 Ti, which still to this day pretty much mops the floor with even most currently available AMD GPUs.
最后由 Bad 💀 Motha 编辑于; 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 7:00
GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™ 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 7:00 
引用自 temps
Lol most people can't tell the difference between games with ray tracing and games without it.

It's funny because I've seen a lot of threads in forums for my games where people are like "BUT DOES IT HAVE RAY TRACING?!?!? I WANT RAY TRACING BECAUSE I SPENT EXTRA FOR AN RTX GPU!"
Yup. My rtx3060 is packed up and back on my shelf. My trusty ol' geforce 1070 founders edition is back in action. I wouldn't really call it a gimmick, because it is a real technique. Raytracing is definitely over-hyped though, for sure.

The rtx didn't look good inside my pc either, didn't match like the gtx. I'll probably give the rtx3060 to my daughter or something. I'm going to rock my gtx founders edition. It works better than I remember, especially in cyber punk. Plays flawlessly on medium unlike last year.
Bad 💀 Motha 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 7:04 
引用自 temps
Lol most people can't tell the difference between games with ray tracing and games without it.

It's funny because I've seen a lot of threads in forums for my games where people are like "BUT DOES IT HAVE RAY TRACING?!?!? I WANT RAY TRACING BECAUSE I SPENT EXTRA FOR AN RTX GPU!"
Yup. My rtx3060 is packed up and back on my shelf. My trusty ol' geforce 1070 founders edition is back in action. I wouldn't really call it a gimmick, because it is a real technique. Raytracing is definitely over-hyped though, for sure.

The rtx didn't look good inside my pc either, didn't match like the gtx. I'll probably give the rtx3060 to my daughter or something. I'm going to rock my gtx founders edition. It works better than I remember, especially in cyber punk. Plays flawlessly on medium unlike last year.

Maybe you simply don't like the look of the RTX 3060 you have. That is not the only design out there. Plenty of other brands with different designs. Overall the 3060 mops the floor against your old GPU. Obviously you don't play anything demanding if you went back to the 1070 and are happy with that performance. 1070 performance became not enough years ago.
temps 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 7:14 
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
AMD GPUs are crap; could not pay me to use them.
They have crappy cooling, design and drivers. No thanks.
AMD hasn't had a good GPU since ATI used to make them.

Lol the AMD GPUs perform better in benchmarks than the NVIDIA cards on modern games (assuming ray tracing and DLSS are not being used)... and with regard to DLSS... super resolution techniques like DLSS do not produce the same visual quality as native rendering, especially with motion.

So if all you want to do is play video games and you don't want the reduced visual quality of DLSS and you don't care about ray tracing (which is rational since most people can't even see the difference with ray tracing anyway); AMD is clearly better.
最后由 temps 编辑于; 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 7:18
GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™ 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 7:16 
Yeah the rtx3060 is twice as fast just about, but I just run medium instead of ultra and honestly I'm just as happy. The founders edition 1070 beats the tar out of rdr2 on medium:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1484451761861358796/5799AE80F1E6059FC23FB3F77AAD3E85C0948BF7/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

It also runs better than I remember too, so it matured.
Bad 💀 Motha 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 7:21 
引用自 temps
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
AMD GPUs are crap; could not pay me to use them.
They have crappy cooling, design and drivers. No thanks.
AMD hasn't had a good GPU since ATI used to make them.

Lol the AMD GPUs perform better in benchmarks than the NVIDIA cards on modern games (assuming ray tracing and DLSS are not being used)... and with regard to DLSS... super resolution techniques like DLSS do not produce the same visual quality as native rendering, especially with motion.

So if all you want to do is play video games and you don't want the reduced visual quality of DLSS and you don't care about ray tracing (which is rational since most people can't even see the difference with ray tracing anyway); AMD is clearly better.

Do you play below 4K by any chance?
AbedsBrother 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 8:33 
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
CP 2077 is one game where it looks very bad without it; making it look like some game from before 2015 or something.
Control is another.
Haruspex 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 8:42 
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
AMD GPUs are crap; could not pay me to use them.
They have crappy cooling, design and drivers. No thanks.
AMD hasn't had a good GPU since ATI used to make them.

The alternative is a GTX card, such as 1080 Ti, which still to this day pretty much mops the floor with even most currently available AMD GPUs.

*Looks up sadly at beautiful Sapphire RX 5700 XT Nitro+, which has been rock solid, quiet as a whisper, and cool as a cucumber for as long as I've had it.*

"Shh, it's okay. He didn't mean it."
N0REGARD4LIFE 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 9:02 
I have an RTX card and tried it one time and saw how it affected performance and turned it right off. Screen space reflections are good enough for me.
nullable 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 9:25 
引用自 temps
Ray Tracing is NVIDIA Hype

So is every feature in its early days. AA was hype. T&L was hype. And then eventually it becomes so widely implemented and used, that we can't live without it.

So sure if a game does traditional lighting really well it might be hard to tell without seeing it side by side. Or if the ray tracing used is subtle that could be tough to spot too. But it's hard to deny the stark differences ray tracing makes to something like Quake 2 or Minecraft.

At the end of the day it's one more tool that will help games look pretty nice. Hardware will get better, and so will techniques and examples of implementation. Give it another five years and it'll be everywhere and games without ray tracing will look dated in comparison.
temps 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 9:57 
引用自 8bitbeard
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
AMD GPUs are crap; could not pay me to use them.
They have crappy cooling, design and drivers. No thanks.
AMD hasn't had a good GPU since ATI used to make them.

The alternative is a GTX card, such as 1080 Ti, which still to this day pretty much mops the floor with even most currently available AMD GPUs.

*Looks up sadly at beautiful Sapphire RX 5700 XT Nitro+, which has been rock solid, quiet as a whisper, and cool as a cucumber for as long as I've had it.*

"Shh, it's okay. He didn't mean it."

I have to agree, in my personal experience I've been just fine with AMD cards. And I've alternated between buying NVIDIA and AMD cards on my last 3 PC builds... haven't noticed a difference... aside from the performance improvement with each upgrade. But granted, none of my AMD cards were from the more controversial RX 5000 series.
最后由 temps 编辑于; 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 10:08
Lord Flashheart 2021 年 11 月 29 日 下午 10:08 
Ray tracing is exceptionally demanding, even with dedicated hardware.
I am not too fussed out it yet.
When the RTX cards came out, nvidia claimed ray tracing was the future.

Long term, gaming will be tray tracing the whole scene with some very very good AI based upscaling. It would make game development much easier, and hopefully out of the hands of companies like electonic arts.
It is improving. I very much hope it is NOT eventually controlled by Nvidia.

We will see.
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