PSA: DON'T Buy The RX 6500-XT (Unless There's LITERALLY Nothing Else)

[r.linder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFpuJqx9Qmw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArW4-mkGHSw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmE8iZWaLWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5_oM3Ow_CI

Right out of the gate, the RX 6500-XT is being outperformed by the RX 580, a 5 year old refresh of a 6 year old GPU architecture. It can sometimes win against the 580, but it loses battles against it more than it wins, and there's just other issues with the card, like the fact that it only uses up to 4 PCI-e lanes out of a x16 PCI-e slot, and lacking some encoding support like HEVC.
AMD seems to have intentionally stripped down the 6500-XT, I guess to cut cost, but the MSRP is still basically around the same as what the RX 580 was, and that number doesn't mean anything anymore because of scalpers, that card is probably still going to be scalped even though it's terrible, which makes it even worse for people who might end up buying a scalped 6500-XT.

In my opinion, don't buy the 6500-XT, you're much better off paying more for a GTX 1660 SUPER or RTX 2060. If the 6500-XT sells out, it'll only show AMD that their shady design choices are a-okay with us, but it shouldn't be, this is absolutely disgusting that a 4 year old GPU is still consistently faster than their latest. And don't give me that "well the RX 580 was the top end of Polaris" crap, they've released the RX 590, which is even faster, than the 5500-XT, which was slower than that, and now the 6500-XT, which is basically the same GPU but actually worse in some aspects. The 580 was always a mid-range GPU in actual performance when it launched, now it's just barely above entry level, this isn't acceptable.
I don't really recommend buying Radeon GPUs at all at this point. AMD is starting to become more like Intel and NVIDIA and they're doing it wrong, they're making it too obvious that they're flipping their budget users off. At least their competitors are a lot more subtle about it.

[ZeekAncient]

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I don't live anywhere near a Microcenter. In fact, there isn't even a Microcenter in my State. I decided I was going to buy a new GPU at the end of April 2021. I wanted an RTX 3080. I ended up getting an RTX 3070 Ti at MSRP at the end of July. Sure I could have paid insane scalped prices before then and gotten a GPU. But I decided to wait and play the searching game.

That meant being signed up for website's early notification system when they got stock, signing up for the Newegg shuffle everyday, monitoring Youtube pages that alert when stores had stock at MSRP, searching sites diligently as much as I could everyday for when they got stock at MSRP, and praying. So, finally I got my EVGA RTX 3070Ti at pretty much MSRP. It was a little over $800 but MSRP for that card on EVGA.com right now is $829, so that is pretty much what I paid. I got it as part of a bundle, so I had to buy a couple other components.

But I used those components to build myself a new rig at the beginning of August. A lot better than paying the scalped price of $1200 or more, for just the GPU. So, there are ways of getting a new GPU at a decent price. Some might not consider an EVGA RTX 3070 Ti FTW3 Ultra at $829 a decent price. But that is what it goes for, and I am happy with it. It is already factory overclocked, and it is a great additional overclocker, so I have clocked it even more, and it actually performs close to a vanilla 3080.

So, like I said, there are ways of getting a new card at regular price, but you just have to put the work in. But I wouldn't want to have to go through that process again right now. I got lucky then, I don't know if I would be able to get as lucky now. Where I bought the card, they have similar bundles now for like 3060 and 3060 TIs, but they are not as well priced as they were last year. Most of them aren't worth it. So, I would say that last summer was a little easier to buy a card than it is now.

But the same could be said for anything? people can buy a fridge second hand, a car, clothes, anything. And yet they still purchase things new. So for those things the logic of "save some money, do some work, get better value off something second hand" isn't being applied. So it isn't consistent. They are only saying people should get better value by buying second hand because it fits their narrative meanwhile it's really like "buy the same things I buy second hand".

I mean some handyman or DIY maintenance pro can come at anyone here and be like "you know you're freaking stupid as hell right man? I mean you could just buy a fridge somewhere that doesn't work replace a few parts and have it working like new like I do? You need to stop wasting your money, I don't like it".

I don't understand what you are saying? What do you mean second hand? Everything I was talking about was new. The GPU I got was new. I don't live near a Microcenter, and I didn't want to buy a scalped GPU. So, I waited patiently, searched, did my work, and I got a new GPU at MSRP. I never mentioned anything about a second hand GPU, I clearly stated new.

[emoticorpse]

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But the same could be said for anything? people can buy a fridge second hand, a car, clothes, anything. And yet they still purchase things new. So for those things the logic of "save some money, do some work, get better value off something second hand" isn't being applied. So it isn't consistent. They are only saying people should get better value by buying second hand because it fits their narrative meanwhile it's really like "buy the same things I buy second hand".

I mean some handyman or DIY maintenance pro can come at anyone here and be like "you know you're freaking stupid as hell right man? I mean you could just buy a fridge somewhere that doesn't work replace a few parts and have it working like new like I do? You need to stop wasting your money, I don't like it".

I don't understand what you are saying? What do you mean second hand? Everything I was talking about was new. The GPU I got was new. I don't live near a Microcenter, and I didn't want to buy a scalped GPU. So, I waited patiently, searched, did my work, and I got a new GPU at MSRP. I never mentioned anything about a second hand GPU, I clearly stated new.

Oh, my bad. Sorry I skimmed through your post quickly and rushed to thinking you were in the same boat as the others and second hand stuff.

So yeah, second hand part wasn't directed do you.

[ZeekAncient]

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I don't understand what you are saying? What do you mean second hand? Everything I was talking about was new. The GPU I got was new. I don't live near a Microcenter, and I didn't want to buy a scalped GPU. So, I waited patiently, searched, did my work, and I got a new GPU at MSRP. I never mentioned anything about a second hand GPU, I clearly stated new.

Oh, my bad. Sorry I skimmed through your post quickly and rushed to thinking you were in the same boat as the others and second hand stuff.

So yeah, second hand part wasn't directed do you.

Maybe I should have been more specific. Where I got my GPU was ANTonline.com. But it was part of a bundle. I had to buy an EVGA PSU(which I used in my build), an EVGA mouse and keyboard(which I am using now), and a game from Steam(Days Gone). All the parts were new, and what I paid for the bundle, it came out to the parts being at MSRP. So around $829 for the EVGA 3070 TI. They are usually out of stock but they have a bundle right now for a 3080 Ti and 3060, but the bundles are not as good value as they were last year. Thus, the parts are a little over MSRP. Still, better than scalped prices.

And I say that their bundles are not really worth it right now because the 3060 bundle goes for $740 but if you add all the components together it is only worth around $590. So you are paying around $150 over MSRP. The price of my bundle at the end of July was a better value than that. Everything came out to about MSRP. However, the tax is included in that $740, so I guess it isn't that bad. And it is a lot better than scalped prices.

[Monk]

People buy second hand when they cannot afford or justify new.

I only recently bought a new fridge, second hand saved alot of cash in the past and have been fine for years, second hand washing machine for the sane reason.

Ive ridden motorbikes for over 20 years, the newest I've ever owned is an ex-demo scooter (Peugeot speedfight) back in 98!
Half the mountain bikes I've owned have been secondhand and I only have a new car now (oddly another Peugeot, a 3008 hybrid4) because I got it on motobility very heavily discounted, everything else has always been second hand.

Etc, etc, etc.

Infact, I'd say the majority buy second hand vehicles.

There is nothing wrong with buying second hand, just do your due diligence to inspect and see that stuff is as advertised and you can save alot of money.

Why don't I buy second hand pc parts generally? Because I spend a huge ammount of my income on my pc as such I can afford to buy new at the top end.

But, we are not talking about those buying 3080 and 3090's etc.

We are talking about the opposite end of the scale with a couple hundred bucks to spare on a gpu, not a couple thousand, at this point, second hand is a great option.

When it comes to a fridge, I didn't need to spend £2-500 on one when a £50 second hand one did the same job.
I didn't need a £30k car when a £2000 one did the job, I didn't buy a new motorbike because I preferred the older models (my zzr1400) or I could get a much nicer bike second hand for the money than new.

These same thoughts don't exactly translate to a 3090.

A 2080ti, while it can still play all the games a 3090 can, doesn't do it as well, however, when I bought my 3090, you could buy 2080ti's for as little as £500!, not so much now.

However, you can buy a bunch of cards second hand that match or beat the 6500xt for the same price or less.

This is where it makes sense.

Hell, if I didn't yet have a 3090, I'd likely look second hand, new, you are looking at £2500 for a strix, if you can find one, vs second hand you can get them (from me even lol) for £2000.
Yes it was used for mining for 6 months, but it was kept cool and clean running an undervolt and under far less harsh loads than the one I game on which got bios swapped and overclocked.

[carl]

Get ready for the RX 6500 (non XT version)

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-preparing-radeon-rx-6x50xt-refresh-for-june-july-rx-6500-non-xt-expected-in-may

Intriguing since it may not need an external pcie power cable but that may drop it down to GTX 1650 performance. 1650 is going for £225 to 250 in my local market. This RX 6500 could launch for £150 going by the RX 6500 XT pricing. I heard early predictions on the intel arc entry level cards being on paar with 1650 in performance too.

[r.linder]

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Get ready for the RX 6500 (non XT version)

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-preparing-radeon-rx-6x50xt-refresh-for-june-july-rx-6500-non-xt-expected-in-may

Intriguing since it may not need an external pcie power cable but that may drop it down to GTX 1650 performance. 1650 is going for £225 to 250 in my local market. This RX 6500 could launch for £150 going by the RX 6500 XT pricing. I heard early predictions on the intel arc entry level cards being on paar with 1650 in performance too.

Not needing external power would be a positive change for Radeon's modern gaming cards, it'd actually work with most PSUs

[xSOSxHawkens]

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Цитата допису carl:

Get ready for the RX 6500 (non XT version)

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-preparing-radeon-rx-6x50xt-refresh-for-june-july-rx-6500-non-xt-expected-in-may

Intriguing since it may not need an external pcie power cable but that may drop it down to GTX 1650 performance. 1650 is going for £225 to 250 in my local market. This RX 6500 could launch for £150 going by the RX 6500 XT pricing. I heard early predictions on the intel arc entry level cards being on paar with 1650 in performance too.

Not needing external power would be a positive change for Radeon's modern gaming cards, it'd actually work with most PSUs

Most of the XT only need the 6pin for show.

Most models are 80-95w under load or less even if they have higher TDP's with 75w of that off the PCIe slot. Anything with a PSU should be able to run an XT even it it just uses a Molex/Sata to 6pin for the extra 5-15w.

But for the supper low power builds it will be an interesting enough card if it can keep up a bit on performnce. If it pulls 1050ti levels but can be a single slot low profiile with no ext power, that would be nice :)

[r.linder]

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Most of the XT only need the 6pin for show.

Most models are 80-95w under load or less even if they have higher TDP's with 75w of that off the PCIe slot. Anything with a PSU should be able to run an XT even it it just uses a Molex/Sata to 6pin for the extra 5-15w.

But for the supper low power builds it will be an interesting enough card if it can keep up a bit on performnce. If it pulls 1050ti levels but can be a single slot low profiile with no ext power, that would be nice :)

Well, you have to hope AMD doesn´t go the same route with 6500 non xt as they did with 6500 XT. People are really gonna be thrown off if it´s gonna have similiar performance to 1050 Ti
I mean, Performance above GTX 1650 without any additional power cables would be great honestly, but only if AMD doesn´t go RX 6500 XT business route with 6500 non XT.

It could be the same, but the non-XTs just binned too low to run at the 6500-XT factory spec. I wouldn't be surprised, just like nobody should be surprised when the 3090 Ti comes out, and then SUPER cards.

[A&A]

Well, maybe they should start selling the VRAM as the RAM :D

[r.linder]

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Well, maybe they should start selling the VRAM as the RAM :D

Imagine having socketed RAM on your GPU, with GDDRx modules you could install lmao

But then you'd have people putting 16+GB RAM onto a GTX 1050.

[A&A]

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Well, maybe they should start selling the VRAM as the RAM :D

Imagine having socketed RAM on your GPU, with GDDRx modules you could install lmao

But then you'd have people putting 16+GB RAM onto a GTX 1050.

lmao, just rush Rx550s, they are way cheaper than GTX 1050Ti cards : D

[PopinFRESH]

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Well, maybe they should start selling the VRAM as the RAM :D

Imagine having socketed RAM on your GPU, with GDDRx modules you could install lmao

But then you'd have people putting 16+GB RAM onto a GTX 1050.

Imagine that...like its not something that's ever happened before.... :)

http://vgamuseum.info/media/k2/items/cache/063ee9aeb9f60efa02823e51450f82ce_XL.jpg

[HHH33]

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Imagine having socketed RAM on your GPU, with GDDRx modules you could install lmao

But then you'd have people putting 16+GB RAM onto a GTX 1050.

Imagine that...like its not something that's ever happened before.... :)

http://vgamuseum.info/media/k2/items/cache/063ee9aeb9f60efa02823e51450f82ce_XL.jpg

People don't realize that in the 90's people assumed that in the future pcs would be highly modular at the sub level by now. that's why upgrades in games were sometimes based on generic "chips". Instead we have specialization and lots of incompatibility.

[PopinFRESH]

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Imagine that...like its not something that's ever happened before.... :)

http://vgamuseum.info/media/k2/items/cache/063ee9aeb9f60efa02823e51450f82ce_XL.jpg

People don't realize that in the 90's people assumed that in the future pcs would be highly modular at the sub level by now. that's why upgrades in games were sometimes based on generic "chips". Instead we have specialization and lots of incompatibility.

Yeah, as many co-processors were developed that was the thinking. Sound cards also used to have memory expansion like that as well. GPUs kinda killed that whole notion off with shader programs allowing massive parallelism to handle a lot of those specialties in software, e.g. PhysX.

[carl]

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidia-rtx-3060-tidom-3070-ti-amd-radeon-rx-6600-lead-bestselling-gpu-charts-in-the-us-uk-germany/amp/

This article reports the RX 6500 XT to be selling well with one major UK PC hardware specialist retailer. I don't know if stock availability is a factor.

I think Overclockers.co.uk are owned by caseking.de