PSA: DON'T Buy The RX 6500-XT (Unless There's LITERALLY Nothing Else)

[r.linder]

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Right out of the gate, the RX 6500-XT is being outperformed by the RX 580, a 5 year old refresh of a 6 year old GPU architecture. It can sometimes win against the 580, but it loses battles against it more than it wins, and there's just other issues with the card, like the fact that it only uses up to 4 PCI-e lanes out of a x16 PCI-e slot, and lacking some encoding support like HEVC.
AMD seems to have intentionally stripped down the 6500-XT, I guess to cut cost, but the MSRP is still basically around the same as what the RX 580 was, and that number doesn't mean anything anymore because of scalpers, that card is probably still going to be scalped even though it's terrible, which makes it even worse for people who might end up buying a scalped 6500-XT.

In my opinion, don't buy the 6500-XT, you're much better off paying more for a GTX 1660 SUPER or RTX 2060. If the 6500-XT sells out, it'll only show AMD that their shady design choices are a-okay with us, but it shouldn't be, this is absolutely disgusting that a 4 year old GPU is still consistently faster than their latest. And don't give me that "well the RX 580 was the top end of Polaris" crap, they've released the RX 590, which is even faster, than the 5500-XT, which was slower than that, and now the 6500-XT, which is basically the same GPU but actually worse in some aspects. The 580 was always a mid-range GPU in actual performance when it launched, now it's just barely above entry level, this isn't acceptable.
I don't really recommend buying Radeon GPUs at all at this point. AMD is starting to become more like Intel and NVIDIA and they're doing it wrong, they're making it too obvious that they're flipping their budget users off. At least their competitors are a lot more subtle about it.

[Tomi Montana]

引用自 尺.ㄥ丨几ᗪ乇尺：

引用自 Combustible Lemonades：

To be honest, I have not heard about firmware issues outside of gigabyte motherboards, but my point stands. Not every single AMD GPU is bad but considering the RX 5700 XT's history (+ some lower end navi models) and now the RX 6500 XT fiasco, it really does give off a bad impression and buying an AMD gpu can feel like throwing a coin.

It really is. Some people on here claim to be problem-free, but they're just lucky, is all. I was too, until I wasn't.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter. AMD knows people are desperate for GPUs and many will probably bite the bullet for 6500 XT. It should not be that way at all but unfortunately reality tells a different story. The only rational way to get GPUs for a good price is second hand and maybe EVGA queue (but i cannot vouch for it at all as i have myself never used it, just heard about it)

[Monk]

引用自 UserNotFound：

引用自 Monk：

I cannot believe how many people are defending this blatant money grubbing poor excuse for a card.

Frankly, I don't care if its 'cheap' as it usnt when you think about it, it us under powered and awful.

Honestly, it's AMD back to being AMD, I guess alot are to young to remember what they were like pre FX when they were on top, they are just as bad as Intel and nvidia and faboys for any of them are the only ones who will blindly defend any of their bs.

If you only have 200 bucks to spend, look for an old second hand 1060 or 980, you'll be better off.

Oh and it isn't miners buying up these low end cards enmasse pushing the prices up, same for the high end for the most part.

Well, that's your opinion or take on the matter, what about the RTX 3050, isn't it a big money grab as well? As stated, when the RX 6500 XT is used for games at 1080P, a mix of low to med to high ingame graphics settings, it does pretty well. And given it's a new card from AMD, driver support would be forthcoming for years to come.

As for getting a used GTX 1060 (assume you'd meant the 6GB version) for 200 bucks, good luck with that! As for the GTX 980 at 200USD, that's doable.

The RX 6500 XT was never meant for high res, max ingame gaming at 1080P (perhaps only eSport titles), many reviewer even ran HD texture packs (just to cripple it more) and when running games at 1080P with reasonable settings (as long as one doesn't exceed the 4GB frame buffer, it does well enough (as was intended). That it cost close to what was considered mid range 3 years or so back is irrelevant as we can't be living in the past, COVID-19 has seen to that.

The 3050 isn't cut down nearly as much, but, yes, it's also pretty bland, but not as bad, and even the 1060 3FB will. Eat out the 6500.

'driver support for years to come' is such a bs way to defend this rubbish.

Oh its not meant for high settings... So what? How is that a good reason to put out a cut down laptop gpu with lower specs than the 6 year old card it's based off of!?!?

I've said it many times, fanboying for any company is daft.

AMD is being scummy with this release.

[Monk]

引用自 Fuzzy_Dunlop：

引用自 AbedsBrother：

Saw that outrage - a lot of it centered around the RTX 3070 and 6600XT. 8GB is more than enough for any game.

Good joke. Almost every current AAA game on Ultra and high resolution needs more than 8GB Ram. Im currently playing Cyberpunk, RDR2, Far Cry 6, FS2020 and Control and every single game needs more than 8GB of VRAM.
I honestly don't know what you're talking about.

RDR2 even uses 13-15GB on 4K-1440p and Ultra.

No they don't, assigned vram does not equal required or used vram.
Fc6 only asks for so much if you use the optional high def texture pack which is not needed abd is barely noticeable.

Rdr2 in the settings asks for about 6GB and has 7GB in use maxed out at 4k.

Cp2077 is using around 8.3GB vram, again, maxed out, 4k.

Finally let me go check fc6 as I conveniently have these 3 installed and yes, with the high res pack it asks for 9.5GB, but, that is optional and all but in-noticeable from stock.

This is on a 3090 so I have vram to spare.

I am afraid, you seem to be the one who doesn't know what they are talking about.

So with the possible exception of fc6, you could run all 3 games on 8GB vram.

[emoticorpse]

引用自 Monk：

引用自 UserNotFound：

Well, that's your opinion or take on the matter, what about the RTX 3050, isn't it a big money grab as well? As stated, when the RX 6500 XT is used for games at 1080P, a mix of low to med to high ingame graphics settings, it does pretty well. And given it's a new card from AMD, driver support would be forthcoming for years to come.

As for getting a used GTX 1060 (assume you'd meant the 6GB version) for 200 bucks, good luck with that! As for the GTX 980 at 200USD, that's doable.

The RX 6500 XT was never meant for high res, max ingame gaming at 1080P (perhaps only eSport titles), many reviewer even ran HD texture packs (just to cripple it more) and when running games at 1080P with reasonable settings (as long as one doesn't exceed the 4GB frame buffer, it does well enough (as was intended). That it cost close to what was considered mid range 3 years or so back is irrelevant as we can't be living in the past, COVID-19 has seen to that.

The 3050 isn't cut down nearly as much, but, yes, it's also pretty bland, but not as bad, and even the 1060 3FB will. Eat out the 6500.

'driver support for years to come' is such a bs way to defend this rubbish.

Oh its not meant for high settings... So what? How is that a good reason to put out a cut down laptop gpu with lower specs than the 6 year old card it's based off of!?!?

I've said it many times, fanboying for any company is daft.

AMD is being scummy with this release.

Its not meant for high settings means it's available for people who want to do bare bones gaming. It's available for people looking for that experience, instead of forcing them to fight among the rest of you for the overpriced higher tier cards like a 3070 when all they freaking want to do is play something simple and maybe even old. It can't be broken down any further. The people angry over this are just mad they can't the card they want at the price they want and don't know who else to blame. Even if this card didn't come out your situation would be the same.

[Monk]

No, they could of just released a non neutered card, it is worse than the 6 year old card it is based on, you would be better off buying second hand than this crap, it serves no purpose beyond putting cash in amd's pocket for a bad product.

There are plenty of better options for the same price and second hand market is far more viable than this thing.

[r.linder]

引用自 emoticorpse：

引用自 Monk：

The 3050 isn't cut down nearly as much, but, yes, it's also pretty bland, but not as bad, and even the 1060 3FB will. Eat out the 6500.

'driver support for years to come' is such a bs way to defend this rubbish.

Oh its not meant for high settings... So what? How is that a good reason to put out a cut down laptop gpu with lower specs than the 6 year old card it's based off of!?!?

I've said it many times, fanboying for any company is daft.

AMD is being scummy with this release.

Its not meant for high settings means it's available for people who want to do bare bones gaming. It's available for people looking for that experience, instead of forcing them to fight among the rest of you for the overpriced higher tier cards like a 3070 when all they freaking want to do is play something simple and maybe even old. It can't be broken down any further. The people angry over this are just mad they can't the card they want at the price they want and don't know who else to blame. Even if this card didn't come out your situation would be the same.

I think you're misinterpreting AMD's decisions with the design and manufacturing of the 6500-XT, it sounds almost as if you're implying that AMD actually cares about their less fortunate users and bricked their GPU on purpose to help them get a GPU, and if that's the case, I'm sorry to say that you're wrong. Corporations like AMD, Intel, and NVIDIA don't care as long as people are buying it, that's the only real reason why they did this, it's the same reason why Turing GPUs sold pretty well even though it was a marginal improvement over Pascal, the simple principle of "build it and they will come." They did it knowing that people would hate it, and have others come to its defense.

If all they want to do is play something "simple or old" then they could easily do it with just a Ryzen APU or a used GPU, you don't need to spend money on a brick with the worst launch anyone has seen in this industry.

And we're ticked by it because AMD is being scummy with this, they chose to release a card that's slower while claiming it's "delivering high-speed 1080p gaming with the fastest clocks on a gaming card." They chose to release a card that contradicts their old blog post about 4GB RAM not being enough, back in 2020, and they chose to release a card with so many corners cut just to save money, and the best part of it is that they knew it would have fierce defenders such as yourself that actually think that AMD is doing something decent for their low end users, but really, they're just flipping them off. It's not "high speed 1080p gaming" when it's slower than the 5500-XT, it's direct predecessor, while only using around 23 watts less in games (which was also a bit slower than the RX 590, much to the disappointment of some that expected more), and it's sure as hell slower than its 6 year old ancestor, the RX 580, which delivers a noticeably better "high speed 1080p gaming" experience.

It would've been better if it had released as a card that performed at least 10% better than the 5500-XT, with almost the same specs (i.e. bandwidth, bus, etc.) and MSRP as it is right now. Doesn't matter if it would get bought by miners, they aren't buying that many cards, the problem is scalping, but they ultimately don't care because they're making money anyway, and at the end of the day, it's first come first serve. If you didn't get it, you didn't get it, it's not the end of the freaking world.

[Monk]

The whole fastest clocks mean nothing when even the 6900xt is held back by the slow memory / bus, let alone this pile.

[r.linder]

引用自 Mind：

6900XT is much cheaper than the 3080Ti and considerably cheaper than the 3090 (current prices) yet manages to perform just as well without ray tracing (give or take a few percent). Nvidia is just overpriced, and most of the current AAA titles aren't even worth the time. The 6500xt didn't stand up well, but I am sure it'll run a lot of older games adequately. For somebody without a card due to technical fault this may make a decent placeholder if the price is right. It's something I would do if my card died now, it would see me through to the next gen.

It basically becomes a lot less worth it the higher it is above MSRP, it's already almost 400 Euros in some EU countries when the MSRP is around 179 Euros. Better off with a used GPU.

[r.linder]

引用自 Mind：

引用自 尺.ㄥ丨几ᗪ乇尺：

It basically becomes a lot less worth it the higher it is above MSRP, it's already almost 400 Euros in some EU countries when the MSRP is around 179 Euros. Better off with a used GPU.

But this applies to all graphics cards now or anything else popular. This won't change until online sites like Ebay and Amazon are put on a leash. The complaint is universal.

Yeah, exactly, so there's no reason to make a brick of a GPU, it'll be overpriced anyway, so may as well use a Ryzen APU to compromise

[r.linder]

引用自 Mind：

引用自 尺.ㄥ丨几ᗪ乇尺：

Yeah, exactly, so there's no reason to make a brick of a GPU, it'll be overpriced anyway, so may as well use a Ryzen APU to compromise

Perhaps, but they're currently available for the asking price, so the situation isn't nearly as bad as the high end cards. I think the only time I saw those at msrp was during the early preorders.

Only because it's a card that few people actually want. Doesn't make it any good for the price. The 6600 is at least 50% faster, should always look at 6600 options before even thinking about it.

[carl]

引用自 尺.ㄥ丨几ᗪ乇尺：

引用自 Mind：

Perhaps, but they're currently available for the asking price, so the situation isn't nearly as bad as the high end cards. I think the only time I saw those at msrp was during the early preorders.

Only because it's a card that few people actually want. Doesn't make it any good for the price. The 6600 is at least 50% faster, should always look at 6600 options before even thinking about it.

This is what makes me wonder why AMD decided to give the card a 6500 series name as the size of the performance difference with the RX 6600 is pretty large. More cards could be released in future to fit that gap I suppose. AMD may think it too difficult to justify the 200 USD pricing if they named it 6300/6400. There was an RX 5300 for OEM release only.

It is AMD's first 6mm GPU so that may warrant the name.

[r.linder]

引用自 carl：

引用自 尺.ㄥ丨几ᗪ乇尺：

Only because it's a card that few people actually want. Doesn't make it any good for the price. The 6600 is at least 50% faster, should always look at 6600 options before even thinking about it.

This is what makes me wonder why AMD decided to give the card a 6500 series name as the size of the performance difference with the RX 6600 is pretty large. More cards could be released in future to fit that gap I suppose. AMD may think it too difficult to justify the 200 USD pricing if they named it 6300/6400. There was an RX 5300 for OEM release only.

It is AMD's first 6mm GPU so that may warrant the name.

Yeah and just like the Radeon VII, it was a flop for their first x nm GPU.

[Illusion of Progress]

引用自 Monk：

Honestly, it's AMD back to being AMD, I guess alot are to young to remember what they were like pre FX when they were on top, they are just as bad as Intel and nvidia and faboys for any of them are the only ones who will blindly defend any of their bs.

What did AMD do back then? I recall the offering-faster-products-than-the-awful-Pentium-4-while-simultaneously-being-cheaper days. I recall the Intel-making-anti-trust-deals-with-PC-manufacturers-to-use-Intel-CPUs-only days. I recall the not-making-poor-choices-to-go-with-RDRAM-and-having-expensive-platforms-and-then-having-to-backtrack-to-SDRAM-on-a-platform-that-is-seriously-bandwidth-starved days. Not (yet) AMD, but I also recall the nVidia-cheating-texture-ffiltering-on-GeForce-FX-to-boost-frame-rate-scores-for-reviews days when the Radeon 9000 series was the competition. What other big things happened back then, especially with AMD? The soonest one that comes to mind for me is the whole calling it an 8 core CPU when it was either 8 limited non-full cores or 4 cores with double of some resources, depending on how you look at it, and yeah that was bad, but that came much later than when they were on top so I guess you're not referring to that.

I don't recall anything bad about AMD when they were on top, unless you're going to refer to the original FX CPUs being expensive (not the bad line of them that came later but the original ones in the mid 2000s) because of how good they were, but... that'd be a silly thing to say is "bad" when that's just business so I am wondering if you're referring to something I've forgotten.

[emoticorpse]

引用自 尺.ㄥ丨几ᗪ乇尺：

引用自 emoticorpse：

Its not meant for high settings means it's available for people who want to do bare bones gaming. It's available for people looking for that experience, instead of forcing them to fight among the rest of you for the overpriced higher tier cards like a 3070 when all they freaking want to do is play something simple and maybe even old. It can't be broken down any further. The people angry over this are just mad they can't the card they want at the price they want and don't know who else to blame. Even if this card didn't come out your situation would be the same.

I think you're misinterpreting AMD's decisions with the design and manufacturing of the 6500-XT, it sounds almost as if you're implying that AMD actually cares about their less fortunate users and bricked their GPU on purpose to help them get a GPU, and if that's the case, I'm sorry to say that you're wrong. Corporations like AMD, Intel, and NVIDIA don't care as long as people are buying it, that's the only real reason why they did this, it's the same reason why Turing GPUs sold pretty well even though it was a marginal improvement over Pascal, the simple principle of "build it and they will come." They did it knowing that people would hate it, and have others come to its defense.

If all they want to do is play something "simple or old" then they could easily do it with just a Ryzen APU or a used GPU, you don't need to spend money on a brick with the worst launch anyone has seen in this industry.

And we're ticked by it because AMD is being scummy with this, they chose to release a card that's slower while claiming it's "delivering high-speed 1080p gaming with the fastest clocks on a gaming card." They chose to release a card that contradicts their old blog post about 4GB RAM not being enough, back in 2020, and they chose to release a card with so many corners cut just to save money, and the best part of it is that they knew it would have fierce defenders such as yourself that actually think that AMD is doing something decent for their low end users, but really, they're just flipping them off. It's not "high speed 1080p gaming" when it's slower than the 5500-XT, it's direct predecessor, while only using around 23 watts less in games (which was also a bit slower than the RX 590, much to the disappointment of some that expected more), and it's sure as hell slower than its 6 year old ancestor, the RX 580, which delivers a noticeably better "high speed 1080p gaming" experience.

It would've been better if it had released as a card that performed at least 10% better than the 5500-XT, with almost the same specs (i.e. bandwidth, bus, etc.) and MSRP as it is right now. Doesn't matter if it would get bought by miners, they aren't buying that many cards, the problem is scalping, but they ultimately don't care because they're making money anyway, and at the end of the day, it's first come first serve. If you didn't get it, you didn't get it, it's not the end of the freaking world.

They're a business. They're there to make money. Everything else comes second, third, etc. I know this. Seem like you JUST FIGURED IT OUT. I mean come on.

Some people do choose APU's you know. Or don't you?. They can still say you know what. I want 15 fps I'll get an APU, or I want 60 FPS so I'll get the 6500 XT. They can still do that. The choice is there and man are you mad about it. Mad about what other people will be able to choose from now. You really want to go full ommunism and tell them THEY MUST get an APU if they don't want a $500 GPU setup, or spend their time digging around for a used 1050 ti.

So they posted something about 4GB not being enough. What are you saying? it's not? this card plays games. It's out there. The results are out. 4 GB is aparently enough to game and you're claiming it's not? I guess this is where you come back with "If you're not running far cry 6 + HD mods THEN YOU'RE NOT GAMING".

"It would have been better....". It would have been even better than that if they could get me a 3090 for $50 bucks while we're at it. I want one of those.

It's not the end of the world but by the way some of you are acting it may as well be.

[Monk]

Yes I am refering to the whole pricing abd core debacle, that others have done shaddier things does not mean their actions are any less bad and I am in no way defending the actions if Intel or nvidia, this is why fanboying for anyone is pointless.

As with everyone else, the second they were on top, their prices went crazy and suddenly the whole were on the consumers side, Intel is bad for being so expensive went out the window.

The phenom chips and athlon that preceeded them offered great performance and value mostly, then when they dropped the FX line, prices went nuts as they advertised 8 cores (now commonly known to not be exactly honest) etc, they tried to push that crap as high performance and many fanboys bought into it, for me, this was when I swapped to Intel.

Same is true now, ryzen 5000 series had price hikes above that of Intel, their gpu's went up in price, despite shooting themselves in the foot with bad memory choice again and now they are trying to unload this crap gpu on the public as a blatant cash grab.

Yes, the 6900xt is great for non raytraced work, but, it's not THAT much cheaper at msrp (when you are at this level a couple hundred makes zero difference) to give up the extras offered by nvidia, and msrp is the only fair way to look at this as thst is what they thought it to be worth.

And makes some great cpu's, but, their gpu's leave something to be desired especially when it comes to drivers and getting AMD optimised games to drop crazy high def texture packs that sit just outside of the average nvidia cards vram count is a cheap marketing ploy also, which, as others have said, sort of blows up in their face when they previously said 4GB wasn't enough to play games to push their cards with 12 and 16GB vs Nvidia's 8 and 10, only to drop this thing with 4.

No company that is successful is beyond shady poop to get an advantage which is why you shouldnt simp for them.