AMD ComboAM4PIV2 1.2.0.5 Performance issues?

[Cheetah]

I am sombody who always want to have a up to date Bios Firmware. But I heard about lower Performance Issues with the AMD ComboAM4PIV2 1.2.0.5 Update.
I have a MSI B450 Pro M2 Max Mainboard.

Does somebody of you have a bad experience about this update?

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

I skipped Agesa 1.2.0.5 and stayed on 1.2.0.3B because of various reasons. (1.2.0.6B isnt working well either.)
One of them being that many manufacturers (like ASUS and especially Gigabyte) completely removed the PBO core boost option which is a big no-no for folks who run OCed systems.
Another problem is the poor memory OC compatibility. It just wasnt worth the trouble.

Buglist also contains :

- 100Mhz drops in Single Core
- 150Mhz drops in Multicore
- CCX issues
- low FCLK which literally destroys the RAM timings
- WHEA 18&19

May I ask what you hope to achieve with upgrading to the newest possible BIOS version everytime a new one gets released ?

[Bad 💀 Motha]

As long as the updated bios pertains to your hardware, sure.

But this won't always be the case.

For example if I have a Ryzen 3xxx series cpu and the latest bios update is for the 5xxx series. Then it's not for me, don't update to it.

[Cheetah]

Originally posted by Schrute_Farms_B&B:

I skipped Agesa 1.2.0.5 and stayed on 1.2.0.3B because of various reasons. (1.2.0.6B isnt working well either.)
One of them being that many manufacturers (like ASUS and especially Gigabyte) completely removed the PBO core boost option which is a big no-no for folks who run OCed systems.
Another problem is the poor memory OC compatibility. It just wasnt worth the trouble.

Buglist also contains :

- 100Mhz drops in Single Core
- 150Mhz drops in Multicore
- CCX issues
- low FCLK which literally destroys the RAM timings
- WHEA 18&19

May I ask what you hope to achieve with upgrading to the newest possible BIOS version everytime a new one gets released ?

Okay thank you i let my old version 1.2.0.2. i always want a 100 updated system that gives me a good feeling but with these issues i wait for the next bios version.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

What CPU do you have?

[Cheetah]

R5 3600

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Then you have nothing to update to.
BIOS updates for 3xxx series are all done.
They only going to provide updates for newer CPUs now.

Just ensure to keep your AMD Chipset Driver up to date; as this helps.

If you want more/better features; buy a better Motherboard; such as decent B550 board.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Schrute_Farms_B&B:

I skipped Agesa 1.2.0.5 and stayed on 1.2.0.3B because of various reasons. (1.2.0.6B isnt working well either.)
One of them being that many manufacturers (like ASUS and especially Gigabyte) completely removed the PBO core boost option which is a big no-no for folks who run OCed systems.
Another problem is the poor memory OC compatibility. It just wasnt worth the trouble.

Buglist also contains :

- 100Mhz drops in Single Core
- 150Mhz drops in Multicore
- CCX issues
- low FCLK which literally destroys the RAM timings
- WHEA 18&19

May I ask what you hope to achieve with upgrading to the newest possible BIOS version everytime a new one gets released ?

^
On the latest beta BIOS for MSI boards, some users were reporting SVI2 TFN being capped to around 1.2V, which resulted in CPUs that were capable of up to 5.05 GHz only boosting to between 4.7~4.8 GHz because the voltage wouldn't exceed 1.2V.

Unless you have a legitimate need for it (i.e. your new CPU isn't supported on older BIOS version), do not update your BIOS. Your 3600 will not benefit from newer AGESA versions, actually it's more likely to suffer because the newer versions focus specifically on the newer CPUs and could lead to lost performance and bugs on older generation processors, which is what I experienced with my 3900X on X470, only in my case, Gigabyte wouldn't let me ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ roll back at all.

It's crap like this that made me switch back to Intel and made me hate Gigabyte.

[Cheetah]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Then you have nothing to update to.
BIOS updates for 3xxx series are all done.
They only going to provide updates for newer CPUs now.

Just ensure to keep your AMD Chipset Driver up to date; as this helps.

If you want more/better features; buy a better Motherboard; such as decent B550 board.

tbh. I don't like my computer.... It was a already built computer. The MSI Mainboard is not the best. The Palit RTX 2060 Super is from the performance very good. But the cooling is very bad. very loud too. I just have one Case Fan cooler. I want to buy a new computer end of this year with a Ryzen 6000s CPU and a AMD Radeon 7000s

[Cheetah]

Originally posted by 尺.し工几句ヨ尺:

Originally posted by Schrute_Farms_B&B:

I skipped Agesa 1.2.0.5 and stayed on 1.2.0.3B because of various reasons. (1.2.0.6B isnt working well either.)
One of them being that many manufacturers (like ASUS and especially Gigabyte) completely removed the PBO core boost option which is a big no-no for folks who run OCed systems.
Another problem is the poor memory OC compatibility. It just wasnt worth the trouble.

Buglist also contains :

- 100Mhz drops in Single Core
- 150Mhz drops in Multicore
- CCX issues
- low FCLK which literally destroys the RAM timings
- WHEA 18&19

May I ask what you hope to achieve with upgrading to the newest possible BIOS version everytime a new one gets released ?

^
On the latest beta BIOS for MSI boards, some users were reporting SVI2 TFN being capped to around 1.2V, which resulted in CPUs that were capable of up to 5.05 GHz only boosting to between 4.7~4.8 GHz because the voltage wouldn't exceed 1.2V.

Unless you have a legitimate need for it (i.e. your new CPU isn't supported on older BIOS version), do not update your BIOS. Your 3600 will not benefit from newer AGESA versions, actually it's more likely to suffer because the newer versions focus specifically on the newer CPUs and could lead to lost performance and bugs on older generation processors, which is what I experienced with my 3900X on X470, only in my case, Gigabyte wouldn't let me ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ roll back at all.

Okay thank you for your info with the ryzen 3000s series. I let my old bios how it is from May 2021. I just will update my chipset driver like bad Motha has said.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by TigerC1907:

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Then you have nothing to update to.
BIOS updates for 3xxx series are all done.
They only going to provide updates for newer CPUs now.

Just ensure to keep your AMD Chipset Driver up to date; as this helps.

If you want more/better features; buy a better Motherboard; such as decent B550 board.

tbh. I don't like my computer.... It was a already built computer. The MSI Mainboard is not the best. The Palit RTX 2060 Super is from the performance very good. But the cooling is very bad. very loud too. I just have one Case Fan cooler. I want to buy a new computer end of this year with a Ryzen 6000s CPU and a AMD Radeon 7000s

They used pretty much the cheapest MSI board available, that's why, and used a garbage air cooler if not the weak sauce Wraith Stealth that ships with most 3600s.

Ryzen 6000 won't exist, they're skipping straight to 7000 series with the next generation in Q4 2022 ~ Q1 2023 because it's Zen4 architecture on a 5nm process. Probably a similar story for RDNA3. The pre-builts won't be any better, really.

I'd recommend waiting to see what Intel comes out with for 13th or 14th gen, your system is fine as is, and I wouldn't keep much faith in AMD anymore now that Intel has better management and has been recruiting all of their renowned engineers that were involved in past projects that almost put AMD out of business, while AMD is focusing too much on 3D cache that already needs to be redone from scratch because they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, it's too hot to allow overclocking on the first X3D CPUs. They focus on cache because they know they can't go toe-to-toe with Intel once they actually try to stomp AMD into the ground again.

[Cheetah]

Originally posted by 尺.し工几句ヨ尺:

Originally posted by TigerC1907:

tbh. I don't like my computer.... It was a already built computer. The MSI Mainboard is not the best. The Palit RTX 2060 Super is from the performance very good. But the cooling is very bad. very loud too. I just have one Case Fan cooler. I want to buy a new computer end of this year with a Ryzen 6000s CPU and a AMD Radeon 7000s

They used pretty much the cheapest MSI board available, that's why, and used a garbage air cooler if not the weak sauce Wraith Stealth that ships with most 3600s.

Ryzen 6000 won't exist, they're skipping straight to 7000 series with the next generation in Q4 2022 ~ Q1 2023. Probably a similar story for RDNA3. The pre-builts won't be any better, really.

okay good to know that with the 7000s ryzen serie. The CPU Cooler is ok it is a cosmo lc 120 but i can't believe that there is just one case cooler.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by TigerC1907:

Originally posted by 尺.し工几句ヨ尺:

They used pretty much the cheapest MSI board available, that's why, and used a garbage air cooler if not the weak sauce Wraith Stealth that ships with most 3600s.

Ryzen 6000 won't exist, they're skipping straight to 7000 series with the next generation in Q4 2022 ~ Q1 2023. Probably a similar story for RDNA3. The pre-builts won't be any better, really.

okay good to know that with the 7000s ryzen serie. The CPU Cooler is ok it is a cosmo lc 120 but i can't believe that there is just one case cooler.

That air cooler isn't too bad then, and as for 1 case fan, that's pretty normal for a lot of pre-builts on the cheaper side. Most pre-builts only used to come with 1 case fan in the past to exhaust air and that was it. Whoever made your system is living in the past.

Like I said, just wait for Intel to improve. They weren't even trying before under Bob Swan's leadership because he wouldn't let them spend too much money on making changes. But now they can actually do something useful. Your system will at least take you to when Intel drops a proper successor to Sandy Bridge. (The architecture that almost buried AMD over a decade ago and put them into a poor state up until around 2018~2019)

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Why is changing the cpu cooler and case fans hard? It's loud cause they probably using stock cooler and crappy fans. Replace them. Easy and cheap to do that. A Hyper212 Black Edition or Artic Cooling 34 don't cost much and will cool well and be quiet

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Why is changing the cpu cooler and case fans hard? It's loud cause they probably using stock cooler and crappy fans. Replace them. Easy and cheap to do that. A Hyper212 Black Edition or Artic Cooling 34 don't cost much and will cool well and be quiet

His pre-built has a half decent tower cooler, the 212 wouldn't enough of an improvement to be worth it, but hopefully the case has spaces for more fans, otherwise it's garbage.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Yea if the Case lacks good spaces for case fans, buy a new case that allows that.