Gsync question

[SenMithrarin85]

Recently bought a gigabyte m27q 1440p/165hz monitor and I'm wondering whats the best settings for gsync?

I've read a few forums and the consensus seems to be to enable it along with driver based vsync and an fps cap about 3 or so below the max refresh.

I've tested most of my games collection and the most demanding titles amongst them will never touch 165hz without massive concessions or due to cpu bottlenecks in the game engines. I'm therefore wondering if setting the monitor to 120hz is more realistic?

And also, should I do this, and assuming the 3 fps below refresh thins is true, would that mean i'd have to cap the max fps at 117 instead of 163? The monitor's vrr range is 48-165hz, but does this apply only if 165 is the selected refresh or would the range be the same regardless of the chosen refresh setting in the gpu control panel?

Hope that makes sense and thanks in advance

[Supafly]

Цитата допису Mittens:

Цитата допису Snakub Plissken:

From there I let Gysnc do it's thing.

But you're not letting G-Sync do it's thing by enabling vsync on top of it.. No need to at all, then you might as well just disable G-Sync.

G-Sync eliminates tearing, and so does vsync - so why enable both? Didn't you buy an expensive monitor to avoid the need for vsync?

But they are.

Inside the Gsync range, say 48-144, Gsync is what works....assuming you have Gsync turned on in NVCP. Even if you have Vsync enabled in game Gsync will be what works until it goes out of range. Drops to 42 or increases to 150 and Vsync takes over. Thus Vsync on when using Gsync has benefits it doesn't overrule the Gsync setting and make Gsync not work. Gsync overules Vsync when it inside it's range,

Цитата допису tiger3044:

It shouldn't be so complicated in 2022 ! how long has gsync been out ?
It should be just plug and play by now ...

Gsync isn't that complicated though. Turn it on in Monitors settings and on in NVCP and done. It's those not having a clue confusing ♥♥♥♥.

Leaving Vsync on or setting Fast sync only has benefits it fps goes outside the Gsync range. Gsync is primary, dominant. If you're inside it's range and it's turned on it doesn't matter whether you have V-Sync on/off or what version of Vsync you set, fast or otherwise. G-Sync ignores all that and does what Gsync is meant to.

[Mittens]

Цитата допису Bananarama:

Depends on the game's FPS limiter implementation/ VSync solution and at what refresh rate you're using the monitor.
If you're running at 165 Hz, VSync will act when FPS exceeds 165 FPS.
If running at 120 Hz, VSync will act when FPS exceeds 120 FPS.

GSync and VSync complement each other.

Vsync does not come into play when you exceed the monitors refreshrate, vsync makes the graphics API wait for monitor to signal that it's finished refreshing the display. That's why it limits your fps to the Hz. Vsync was never designed to be a frame limiter, but to avoid screen tearing.
But if you use G-Sync the monitor matches it's refreshrate to the frames sent, therefore eliminating the need for vsync entirely.
It's a bit odd to use both at the same time, you should use a frame limiter like the one built into NVidia Control Panel together with G-Sync. Why make the game wait for the monitor to signal that it's ready for a new frame, when the monitor matches it's refresh cycle to the graphics card via G-Sync.
They do *not* complement each other, G-Sync becomes unnecessary if you enable vsync, so why even buy a G-Sync monitor then. You're syncing the game to the monitor with vsync, so the G-Sync part of it won't matter at all. Just buy a regular monitor then.

[Supafly]

Цитата допису Mittens:

**Snipped

Have a look here
https://blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/15/#

[Autumn_]

Leave the monitors refresh rate at the highest it'll go, Gsync will adjust it on the fly, so why gimp your maximum value?

Use RTSS to limit all games to a stable FPS, because while Gsync will reduce tearing and sync FPS, it can still micro stutter from poor frame pacing.
You can use Vsync to REMOVE tearing, without any adverse effects to latency, but it's optional.
You WILL see tearing with FPS drops, low FPS (20-35), and exceeding your refresh rate without it though. (Not really much of an issue if you set everything else up properly though.)

RTSS smooths out frametimes, reduces latency further, and can have individual FPS caps for games.
Setting up the values may take a little time, but will vastly improve your experience.

2-3 FPS below MAXIMUM hz is a good rule of thumb to stay in sync range. Not needed for values below it, like say 120fps, you can just leave it at that, there's no chance of it going outside of the range.

Цитата допису Mittens:

Цитата допису Bing Chilling:

turn on Fast sync along with g-sync if you want a tear free experience and a unlocked framerate.

G-Sync/FreeSync already removes tearing, that's kind of why they were invented - and without using vsync and other sync. Vsync is for syncing the graphics card with the monitor refresh cycle. G-Sync/FreeSync works the other way, much better solution.

Using vsync together with G-Sync/FreeSync is a waste, the whole idea of G-Sync/FreeSync is that the monitor refreshes every time it gets a new frame from the graphics card, to avoid updating screen in the middle of receiving new frames. Thus, the monitor refreshes in sync with the graphics card, instead of using a locked Hz.


I use a 144 Hz FreeSync monitor with my 3070, and never enable vsync (why should I) - I get no tearing in any game at all.
But many ppl buy such monitors without enabling it in the control panel, thinking it works magically - and then complain about tearing.

No, they weren't created to remove tearing, Vsync was. That's why the older versions of Gsync had forced Vsync.

Gsync was used to reduce stutter and latency.

Цитата допису Mittens:

...Or just use the built-in frame limiter in NVidia Control Panel....

You hold your GPU back by enabling vsync, since it then waits for the monitor to be ready for a new frame.

The whole point of buying a G-Sync/FreeSync monitor is to avoid vsync and other syncs xD

By your own logic, you hold your GPU back by using a frame limit too.

No it's not. It's just become common practice.

Цитата допису Mittens:

Цитата допису Snakub Plissken:

From there I let Gysnc do it's thing.

But you're not letting G-Sync do it's thing by enabling vsync on top of it.. No need to at all, then you might as well just disable G-Sync.

G-Sync eliminates tearing, and so does vsync - so why enable both? Didn't you buy an expensive monitor to avoid the need for vsync?

Nope, it doesn't.

Vsync eliminates tearing, gsync reduces it.
Vsync also helps ensure proper frame pacing, reducing microstutters.

Цитата допису tiger3044:

It shouldn't be so complicated in 2022 ! how long has gsync been out ?
It should be just plug and play by now ...

Gotta give people options for tweaking and controlling.
But it is pretty plug and play.
Enable in monitor and NVCP, use Vsync in games, and you get a perfectly fine experience.

Цитата допису SenMithrarin85:

Цитата допису tiger3044:

It shouldn't be so complicated in 2022 ! how long has gsync been out ?
It should be just plug and play by now ...

nothing on pc is ever that simple lol

Disagree.

Цитата допису Mittens:

Цитата допису Bananarama:

Depends on the game's FPS limiter implementation/ VSync solution and at what refresh rate you're using the monitor.
If you're running at 165 Hz, VSync will act when FPS exceeds 165 FPS.
If running at 120 Hz, VSync will act when FPS exceeds 120 FPS.

GSync and VSync complement each other.

Vsync does not come into play when you exceed the monitors refreshrate, vsync makes the graphics API wait for monitor to signal that it's finished refreshing the display. That's why it limits your fps to the Hz. Vsync was never designed to be a frame limiter, but to avoid screen tearing.
But if you use G-Sync the monitor matches it's refreshrate to the frames sent, therefore eliminating the need for vsync entirely.
It's a bit odd to use both at the same time, you should use a frame limiter like the one built into NVidia Control Panel together with G-Sync. Why make the game wait for the monitor to signal that it's ready for a new frame, when the monitor matches it's refresh cycle to the graphics card via G-Sync.
They do *not* complement each other, G-Sync becomes unnecessary if you enable vsync, so why even buy a G-Sync monitor then. You're syncing the game to the monitor with vsync, so the G-Sync part of it won't matter at all. Just buy a regular monitor then.

You started off strong, then lost the plot.
Gsync doesn't eliminate tearing.

The driver level frame limiter works the same as RTSS.

They DO, that's why it was forced back in the day. (But people complained, so they stopped.)

Because it would stop all the pissing about with different hz for different frame caps, still maintains stability in the event of a drop, reduces latency even with Vsync enabled. There's more benefits than negatives.

[nullable]

Цитата допису Mittens:

Цитата допису Snakub Plissken:

From there I let Gysnc do it's thing.

But you're not letting G-Sync do it's thing by enabling vsync on top of it.. No need to at all, then you might as well just disable G-Sync.

G-Sync eliminates tearing, and so does vsync - so why enable both? Didn't you buy an expensive monitor to avoid the need for vsync?

Well I disagree. While both technologies eliminates (or can reduce) screen tearing they do it different ways. And they're not mutually exclusive. Although some people seem happier believing otherwise.

Granted in most games I've played I could leave vsync off and I wouldn't notice a difference. And I've spent hours hand wringing over this issue back when I first got my expensive Gsync monitor. And what I discovered is that Gsync is nice and fussing over Vsync doesn't matter too much, so I don't.

In the odd case where leaving vsync on or off has some tangible effect I'll manage it accordingly. I'm pretty flexible about managing things on a per game basis.

I'm also pretty fickle and have decades of experience managing game settings. I'm actually pretty good at making myself happy, I'm an expert at it and comfortable describing what works for me.

Other folks are more than welcome to manage their configurations as they see fit. A large portion of the details are highly subjective. If leaving Vsync off provides you with a better experience, always leave it off I say.

[Guydodge]

it really depends on the monitor/pc just leave it on and see how each individual game
plays.some you may have to use vsync along with it (normal/fast) some you may not.
you may not even need gsync if your fps is stable.theres no black or white answer.

and if that monitor has to be overclocked to hit the 165 dont do it.leave at 144

[_I_]

with the high refresh display (165hz), odds are it ill need gsync

'overclocking' to 165hz on the display is fine if it is advertised as 165hz

[Azza ☠]

A Gigabyte M27Q monitor doesn't have G-SYNC, it has no G-SYNC module as far as I'm aware. Rather it would just be G-SYNC compatible, which makes it run just like FreeSYNC instead.

Firstly setup your monitor by installing it's drivers and app:
https://www.gigabyte.com/Monitor/M27Q/support#support-dl-utility

- OSD Sidekick
- Then install the latest Firmware

(optional) Consider install an ICC Profile for better color management of your monitor:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/gigabyte/m27q
https://www.rtings.com/images/reviews/monitor/gigabyte/m27q/m27q-rtings-icc-profile.icm

You can check what ICC profile your monitor is using on Windows by searching under Windows bar for "Color Management" or finding it in your Control Panel.


Install the latest Nvidia Drivers for your graphics card:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/drivers/

Right-click the desktop and select the Nvidia Control Panel.

Go to Display > Change resolution

Check to ensure the monitor refresh rate is at the highest (144Hz) and use the native resolution.

Go to Display > Set up G-SYNC

Tick "Enable G-SYNC, G-SYNC Compatible" and have it enabled for both windowed and full screen mode. Apply and exit.

You might want to cap your max FPS or still use V-SYNC accordingly and treat it as if it was FreeSYNC.

[✪groks]

l

[Pocahawtness]

Цитата допису tiger3044:

It shouldn't be so complicated in 2022 ! how long has gsync been out ?
It should be just plug and play by now ...

It's dead simple. Enable G-Sync in the NVIDIA Control panel and at the same time set the max fps to a few less than the refresh of the monitor. In each game you play, make sure v-sync is off. Job done. That's what I do and I never get any issues at all. No tearing, no anything. It's great.

Course then there are people who want to run higher than their monitors refresh rate. In my case that would be above 144Hz. Then they kinda open a world of pain in my humble opinion, but that's up to them.