MSI Afterburner question - Understand my GPU

[LightBringer]

I have had constant long running problems with 'display driver stopped responding and was successfully recovered' forcing mostly newer games to crash. Its been a long running issue for me and I have exhausted every online solution in the book. Frankly by now I've almost given up on it possibly being repairable without new parts (even after already replacing my RAM and PSU). Im trying to understand my GPU better to diagnose if it is truly the culprit. The card itself failing either by wear and use or whatever else.

I ran MSI Afterburner while I benchmarked Cyberpunk, just because its a good test on my PC. By good I mean it will typically always crash within a minute. However, the afterburner readings looked a little wrong to me.... Is this suppose to look this way? https://i.imgur.com/v5nFW8Z.png

The meter on the left significantly surpasses the base and boosted rates put on the GPU. The reason I have them downclocked to the max has to do with it making my games *slightly* more stable and less prone to crash. I started at just -100 and have since just dropped it all the way. But should the meter be passing my Base and Boost rate like this? Is this a significant sign of something or is this usual?

[LightBringer]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

What version & build of Win10 are you using?
Also which version of NVIDIA GPU Driver?

Since you moved and all that, first thing to do after moving a desktop in such a fashion, is to open it up and fully remove the GPU and re-seat it all again. Also check everywhere inside the PC tower, especially CPU cooler, GPU fan and heat fins areas, and your PSU... for any dust and blow all of that out of the system.

For GPUs such as yours, it's best to stick to NVIDIA Driver 461.xx or older.

This is all very interesting to hear. Im using the latest of everything for Afterburner, Win10 updates, etc. Which would mean in onnnnn..... 19402
Its really interesting though hearing you say Driver 461.xx. And that no drivers going forward benefit the 1080Ti in any shape or form? Im actually just a little shocked by that considering how Nvidia will auto deliver updates with their software regardless of the GPU you have installed. I really want to try rolling the driver back for certain though! Do you possibly have a recommendation for which verison of 461? The latest?

[Bad 💀 Motha]

I don't understand why people feel this way when it comes to drivers.
Your GPUs is 3 gens back, there is zero point to attempt to work on helping aid GTX 10 performance in newer drivers due to its age. Plus there is only so much that they can do to help boost or aid in any older GPU performance beyond a certain degree, as per the limits of the hardware when it was made.

But also I don't understand that why is it seem like everytime I mention "OK you can stop updating your GPU drivers now" that you should some how be mad at NVIDIA, or think that your current GPU is no longer good enough perhaps.

My whole point was that the few newer drivers that came out after 461.xx have been known by many to have stability related issues. Thats one major reason to simply avoid them for now. But down the road, most likely a more stable driver would release and still play a beneficial role to GPUs such as GTX 10 series.

And as always, should you update or clean install the latest available driver version and it seems like issues or crashing results afterwards. You can roll back the driver to the previous one via Device Manager, or fully wipe it all out via the DDU App; then simply go download the version you wish to install and use that one; like an older known-stable driver version.

[LightBringer]

I found 461 on the website.. however I have my suspicions. Just because this driver seems to be a lot more recent that I had expected. Releasing December 2020 which would have been a generous while after my issues appeared. I remember CP2077 releasing the same month and as early as day one with updated drivers and all I was crashing and such. I want to say its more common with UE games if I had to try and name others that crash. Death Stranding, Sea of Thieves, Detroit BH, and some UE ones ive touched such as Tower Unite and Killing Floor 2

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Sometimes a version of a game and a gpu driver version can also go hand-in-hand.
Its often doubtful to just be able to grab one gpu driver version and expect all games to be always stable and crash-free with a certain gpu driver. Some games will be more stable on a certain gpu driver version then others. It's ALWAYS been this way.

[LightBringer]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

I don't understand why people feel this way when it comes to drivers.
Your GPUs is 3 gens back, there is zero point to attempt to work on helping aid GTX 10 performance in newer drivers due to its age. Plus there is only so much that they can do to help boost or aid in any older GPU performance beyond a certain degree, as per the limits of the hardware when it was made.

But also I don't understand that why is it seem like everytime I mention "OK you can stop updating your GPU drivers now" that you should some how be mad at NVIDIA, or think that your current GPU is no longer good enough perhaps.

My whole point was that the few newer drivers that came out after 461.xx have been known by many to have stability related issues. Thats one major reason to simply avoid them for now.

And as always, should you update or clean install the latest available driver version and it seems like issues or crashing results afterwards. You can roll back the driver to the previous one via Device Manager, or fully wipe it all out via the DDU App; then simply go download the version you wish to install and use that one; like an older known-stable driver version.

My apologies if I said anything offensive or dismissing. I suppose the words coming out of me just come out of surprise. Whenever I see 'game ready drivers supporting X new titles' I always sort of assumed it was just some added optimizations for those games. Im not mad or upset, just surprised to learn that. Again I apologize if something I said was offensive or any of that.

[LightBringer]

Huh.. Rolling back drivers was very interesting. The game was up and running and didnt crash where all other testing had it crash. Visual errors however went almost through the roof. Black and White speckled flags, much less pulsing lights like I showed before but still some, glitchy looking 2d graphics (Pretty sure it was my PC and not game asthetic) and for some odd reason every tree or shrub in the game was rendered in front of everything else. Like.. You could look at a blank wall but still see every tree overlapped ontop. I forget the developer term for that sort of thing. Honestly though, it was surprising to see the results that I did from a driver rollback. My apologies of being a little more airheaded of a consumer I suppose. Sometimes im wondering though if my GPU is actually failing and what im doing is just squeezing its last breath out of it. I guess with that thought aside though, the game is running(?) albeit not perfectly and with issues. That alone is more than I could ask for. So I really really appreciate the newfound information for me.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Unfortunately that can be the down-side to some of the older Drivers.
For example most of the older Drivers, users experienced various visual issues in games such as RDR2 and CP2077 which newer drivers have addressed. While newer drivers may fix issues in the most recent of games and help aid to boost performance of most of the more recent GPU models, the downside can be instability in some of the older games that no longer receive dev game patch updates.