My laptop doesn't seem to run games as good as it use too please help

[poptart]

A lot of my games that i have typically run at 60 or above fps. BUT now all of the sudden none of my games run at 60 fps and now run at sometimes even 15. Even though my computer is fully capable of running them.

[Jack Schitt]

Lack of free space? Fragmentation? Hardware issues can also be the cause. Laptops are also prone to overheating; the reason they're not the best choice to use for gaming. It's probably not a heating issue. They usually shut down or BSOD (Blue Screen of Death - hardware failure) when they overheat. Do some basic maintenance and see if how games run improves. Create some free space if free space is low. You should have at least 10-20% of each drive free. And defrag the drives.

"You shouldn't defrag an SSD!" someone's going to say.
It's not going to kill it to defrag an SSD once a year or once every few years. If the cause of the issue is or is partially fragmentation defragging will help.

[nullable]

poptart eredeti hozzászólása:

A lot of my games that i have typically run at 60 or above fps. BUT now all of the sudden none of my games run at 60 fps and now run at sometimes even 15. Even though my computer is fully capable of running them.

You didn't post any information about your hardware or the games. So there's really nothing actionable for anyone to tell you except for the generic high level stuff. You want better help? Provide some more details.

Jack Schitt eredeti hozzászólása:

Lack of free space? Fragmentation? Hardware issues can also be the cause. Laptops are also prone to overheating; the reason they're not the best choice to use for gaming. It's probably not a heating issue. They usually shut down or BSOD (Blue Screen of Death - hardware failure) when they overheat. Do some basic maintenance and see if how games run improves. Create some free space if free space is low. You should have at least 10-20% of each drive free. And defrag the drives.

"You shouldn't defrag an SSD!" someone's going to say.
It's not going to kill it to defrag an SSD once a year or once every few years. If the cause of the issue is or is partially fragmentation defragging will help.

It won't kill the drive to defrag a SSD. There's just no point in doing so. SSDs and HDDs operate differently. HDDs performance is partly based on bits being organized close together, being contiguous. That doesn't matter to a SSD, so organizing the bits doesn't help.

And most modern defrag software will be able to determine if a drive is a SSD anyway and won't defrag. It'll just run the TRIM process which is regularly run anyway. So again, no point. And you're just engaging in a ritual to feel better rather than doing anything productive.

[Jack Schitt]

SSD's still fragment. Defraggler will do it.
https://www.ccleaner.com/defraggler

[Mad Scientist]

Jack Schitt eredeti hozzászólása:

SSD's still fragment. Defraggler will do it.
https://www.ccleaner.com/defraggler

DO. NOT. DEFRAG AN SSD.

They work entirely differently than hard drives, that is known to kill ssds. The read and write is so fast and the controller knows what chip has what data that you should NOT be doing this, defragment Hard drives, not ssds.

Also watch this video he explains it in a friendlier term how ssds move data around themselves to extend the lifespan automatically.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d-FM6dFnzs8

[nullable]

Jack Schitt eredeti hozzászólása:

SSD's still fragment. Defraggler will do it.
https://www.ccleaner.com/defraggler

You do you I guess. But you're not going to win that argument on any forum. I've been running SSDs for nearly a decade and while I'm not worried about damaging or shortening the lifespan I've never had an issue with a SSD where the solution was to defrag it.

Also,

https://support.piriform.com/hc/en-us/articles/204044034-Defraggler-and-SSDs

Oops. Maybe you want to dispute the developer's own support pages now? Two seconds of google-fu to find this by the way.

[poptart]

Snakub Plissken eredeti hozzászólása:

poptart eredeti hozzászólása:

A lot of my games that i have typically run at 60 or above fps. BUT now all of the sudden none of my games run at 60 fps and now run at sometimes even 15. Even though my computer is fully capable of running them.

You didn't post any information about your hardware or the games. So there's really nothing actionable for anyone to tell you except for the generic high level stuff. You want better help? Provide some more details.

Jack Schitt eredeti hozzászólása:

Lack of free space? Fragmentation? Hardware issues can also be the cause. Laptops are also prone to overheating; the reason they're not the best choice to use for gaming. It's probably not a heating issue. They usually shut down or BSOD (Blue Screen of Death - hardware failure) when they overheat. Do some basic maintenance and see if how games run improves. Create some free space if free space is low. You should have at least 10-20% of each drive free. And defrag the drives.

"You shouldn't defrag an SSD!" someone's going to say.
It's not going to kill it to defrag an SSD once a year or once every few years. If the cause of the issue is or is partially fragmentation defragging will help.

It won't kill the drive to defrag a SSD. There's just no point in doing so. SSDs and HDDs operate differently. HDDs performance is partly based on bits being organized close together, being contiguous. That doesn't matter to a SSD, so organizing the bits doesn't help.

And most modern defrag software will be able to determine if a drive is a SSD anyway and won't defrag. It'll just run the TRIM process which is regularly run anyway. So again, no point. And you're just engaging in a ritual to feel better rather than doing anything productive.

i can give specs if thats what you need

[Jack Schitt]

Mr. Gentlebot eredeti hozzászólása:

Jack Schitt eredeti hozzászólása:

SSD's still fragment. Defraggler will do it.
https://www.ccleaner.com/defraggler

DO. NOT. DEFRAG AN SSD.

They work entirely differently than hard drives, that is known to kill ssds. The read and write is so fast and the controller knows what chip has what data that you should NOT be doing this, defragment Hard drives, not ssds.

Also watch this video he explains it in a friendlier term how ssds move data around themselves to extend the lifespan automatically.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d-FM6dFnzs8

Told you someone would say that. It's a myth and I know from my own experience that some times SSD's don't work properly. Defragging can fix it and it does not hurt it. I've had my SSD several years, defragged it several times, and there are no issues.
The OP gave zero info about their laptop. It could have an HDD.

[poptart]

Jack Schitt eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr. Gentlebot eredeti hozzászólása:

DO. NOT. DEFRAG AN SSD.

They work entirely differently than hard drives, that is known to kill ssds. The read and write is so fast and the controller knows what chip has what data that you should NOT be doing this, defragment Hard drives, not ssds.

Also watch this video he explains it in a friendlier term how ssds move data around themselves to extend the lifespan automatically.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d-FM6dFnzs8

Told you someone would say that. It's a myth and I know from my own experience that some times SSD's don't work properly. Defragging can fix it and it does not hurt it. I've had my SSD several years, defragged it several times, and there are no issues.
The OP gave zero info about their laptop. It could have an HDD.

Do you need specs?

[nullable]

Predicting someone would dispute your ill-advised claims isn't really that impressive. And I've already posted a link from the developers of the tool you use where they clearly agree with everyone else and dispute you.

And you neither engineer SSDs or write disk management software so what expertise do you have that anyone should listen to you above all others? You can do what you like. Advising other people to follow in your mindless rituals is always going to get pushback.

[poptart]

Snakub Plissken eredeti hozzászólása:

Predicting someone would dispute your ill-advised claims isn't really that impressive. And I've already posted a link from the developers of the tool you use where they clearly agree with everyone else and dispute you.

And you neither engineer SSDs or write disk management software so what expertise do you have that anyone should listen to you above all others?

You shouldn't defrag a SSD. Even if you're not worried about harming it, it still serves no purpose. It's just mindless ritual, being able to argue and double down on your beliefs doesn't change reality there.

man I’m so confused

[Mad Scientist]

Jack Schitt eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr. Gentlebot eredeti hozzászólása:

DO. NOT. DEFRAG AN SSD.

They work entirely differently than hard drives, that is known to kill ssds. The read and write is so fast and the controller knows what chip has what data that you should NOT be doing this, defragment Hard drives, not ssds.

Also watch this video he explains it in a friendlier term how ssds move data around themselves to extend the lifespan automatically.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d-FM6dFnzs8

Told you someone would say that. It's a myth and I know from my own experience that some times SSD's don't work properly. Defragging can fix it and it does not hurt it. I've had my SSD several years, defragged it several times, and there are no issues.
The OP gave zero info about their laptop. It could have an HDD.

If you predicted it, you're used to people telling you why you have bad suggestions that could damage their systems. If they ran a non trim ie actual defragger, especially on older ssds that is well known to cause issues. Newer ones are better but you should not use an outright defragger nor recommend such. Not seeing immediate issues doesn't mean you're not degrading the health either, not seeing degradation doesn't mean it's not there.

If your software runs trim automatically instead of standard Defrag, that is the only reason why you've not had issues if you run it frequently, watch the video, trim is well explained which shows why you need to do nothing since the ssd handles it.

Yes, the op COULD have an hdd where a defragger can make sense. Else, you focused on an ssd and I said not to defragment an ssd, not a hard drive.

Don't recommend things from a point of zero experience. Predicting doesn't make accuracy either, again, as being wrong is still being wrong. Thankfully for you that software by snakubs lookup runs trim instead of Defrag when detecting an ssd, so by default "you got lucky, kid" as they say.

[nullable]

poptart eredeti hozzászólása:

man I’m so confused

How forums work?

poptart eredeti hozzászólása:

i can give specs if thats what you need

You didn't post any information about your hardware or the games. So there's really nothing actionable for anyone to tell you except for the generic high level stuff. You want better help? Provide some more details.

So... have you provided any more information? No. I mean how much prompting do you need?

[-=SOF=-WID99]

never defrag an ssd

if the drive is that bad off and or an older ssd drive replace it and copy your data off it

SSD drives are not that badly priced for a new better faster bigger drives these days compared to older SSD drives

on a desktop also always check your sata cable first yes they do wear out

the op has a laptop i get that .. it could be he needs a clean driver install for all his PROPER drivers as from past windows updates they may be bad or corrupted

NEVER EVER should you need to run defrag on any ssd ..as they support trim .. in any modern os going all the way back to win 7

9 times out of 10 the ops issue = DRIVER related

or dust build up in the laptop ..that yes needs to be cleaned out

[poptart]

-=SOF=-WID99 eredeti hozzászólása:

never defrag an ssd

if the drive is that bad off and an older drive replace it and copy your data off it

also always check your sata cable first yes they do wear out

the op has a laptop i get that .. it could be he needs a clean driver install for all his PROPER drivers as from past windows updates they may be bad or corrupted

NEVER EVER should you need to run defrag on any ssd ..as they support trim .. in any modern os going all the way back to win 7

9 times out of 10 the ops issue = DRIVER related

or dust build up in the laptop ..that yes needs to be cleaned out

I feel like half of the other people are just insulting me for not giving specs. I just don’t really know that much and want an easy fix. But as you said dust build up is prob a big issue, I just don’t know how to take apart the thing without messing everything up

[-=SOF=-WID99]

poptart eredeti hozzászólása:

-=SOF=-WID99 eredeti hozzászólása:

never defrag an ssd

if the drive is that bad off and an older drive replace it and copy your data off it

also always check your sata cable first yes they do wear out

the op has a laptop i get that .. it could be he needs a clean driver install for all his PROPER drivers as from past windows updates they may be bad or corrupted

NEVER EVER should you need to run defrag on any ssd ..as they support trim .. in any modern os going all the way back to win 7

9 times out of 10 the ops issue = DRIVER related

or dust build up in the laptop ..that yes needs to be cleaned out

I feel like half of the other people are just insulting me for not giving specs. I just don’t really know that much and want an easy fix. But as you said dust build up is prob a big issue, I just don’t know how to take apart the thing without messing everything up

so find a shop that does that work on laptops
if your not good at fixing your own laptop
yes you will have to pay something to get it properly cleaned .. or .. would you wanna wait till it fry's and then have to buy a whole new laptop and lose all your data ?

your choice