I7 4790 to a I5 8600k worth it?

[BoyMarlo]

I have been looking into upgrading my i7 4790 to a 8600k, but im not sure if it is worth it.

my current setup
i7 4790
gtx 1070
12gb ram ddr3

[Sapph]

Escrito originalmente por hawkeye:

https://www.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2017/CPUs/2600k/2600k-revisit-wd2_1.png

If I recall right, these benchmarks were from when the 1st gen Ryzen was released and the AGESA version had a SMT bug. Causing it to not quite work as it should.

+ that's just one game. Fairly cherry-picked one too. WD2 was known to highly prefer Intel.
And the BIOSes/AGESA didn't yet support so many speeds. Getting 3200Mhz working was hard.

[r.linder]

Escrito originalmente por hawkeye:

Escrito originalmente por Escorve:

Even if a 2nd gen i7 can pull ahead of only an R5 1600 slightly, it has older hardware support and older architecture, so the entire R5 1600 system would destroy the i7 because it's using faster and newer RAM and has better features that make the i7 outdated.

Ryzen is more beneficial to a wider range of users anyway. Intel is really only useful if you want absolute maximum FPS in gaming, and that's about it, but you don't need Intel to get good FPS. Intel knows that AMD is starting to beat them again, which is most likely why they started to solder their TIM, removed hyperthreading to try and gain slightly better gaming performance, and added more cores to all of their CPUs in this refresh. They wouldn't even add more cores up until Ryzen was announced because it scared them ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

You are 100% right. It explains why intel's gaming market share increased in September.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/

You're getting your information from market share based on spec reports on Steam...
That's not a market share, that's just the amount of users using it, and Intel was more common in gaming PCs for the longest time up until about now. Tons of Intel users left for Ryzen systems because of the comparable performance for lower cost.

It's undeniable that Intel is being forced to work hard to fight AMD now, and here's why:

1. They paid Principaled Technologies to test Intel's i9-9900K vs AMD's Ryzen 7 2700X, and the first set of results were skewed in Intel's favor as noted by reviewers. They purposely set it up to make Intel's 500$ next-gen flagship look more powerful than a current-gen flagship from AMD which costs half as much. The R7 2700X still delivers excellent performance and doesn't break the damn bank. Principled Technologies has since revised their results and apologized for skewing results in favor of Intel by handicapping the R7 2700X, most notably by keeping Game Mode on which effectively cuts the core-count in half, and while the revised results do still accurate show the i9-9900K is the fastest CPU, it still costs twice as much as the R7 2700X. Realistically, most users can't afford to spend that much and it's not cost-efficient to go with that CPU. What they should be focusing on is the difference between the 8700K and 9700K to see how their changes affect i7. That's not how Intel works though, they love using shady tactics when they start to lose money and customers to AMD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3_SB1btagU

2. They decided to solder their octa-core CPUs to improve cooling potential because not only would the CPUs be ridiculously hot if they didn't, but also because AMD solders their Ryzen CPUs, something which would have posed a threat to the coffee lake refresh's overclockability versus current and next generation Ryzen CPUs to come, especially when you remember the difference in overall costs of the entire system; one could build a Ryzen system for much less and overclock to achieve basically the same performance of the more expensive Intel based system.

3. Knowing that they couldn't compete with Ryzen's multi-threading performance, Intel simply decided to kill off hyperthreading for their mainstream i7 CPUs to try and maximize performance for their targeted user base (typically high performance gamers), opting to focus on their strengths rather than try and fix the weaknesses when compared to Ryzen. For that reason especially, Intel CPUs are going to become even less useful to enthusiasts, streamers, and content creators which are at least starting to become more plentiful as streamers are often known to make some money and popularity, something that a lot of people crave.