Evga XC and FTW difference?

[Kumoko]

any difference between this cards i know the FTW is slightly expensive but is it even worth it to pay for the premium since they perform similar

[r.linder]

If you're planning on using the card as is and have to plans to do anything special like a custom loop, not much point in going for the higher end model unless you like how the card looks.

[Mad Scientist]

Kingpin>FTW>SC>Standard PCB

Kingpin and FTW's are more geared towards higher overclock, FTWs have a higher binned GPU and typically have better power delivery/max power draw compared to standard PCBs. XC/SC's are usually modified PCBs or just standard PCBs but regardless; have a factory overclock.

FTWs have a higher factory overclock than XC/SCs.

FTWs are more if you want that extra % of performance, or want to push a higher chance of achieving an overclock compared to the standard PCB since they can typically draw more power.

[Guydodge]

higher clock speeds out of box, better binned parts, more sensors.better texture fill rate,
better cooling.higher overclocking due to the best parts. and lights if your into that.

[3rr3s]

Nice

[Monk]

An important thing to know is there is NO BINNING on any of the chips beyond first edition of kingpins.

Your paying for a better cooler and components that can allow you to get more out of the card potentially, but the gpu itself is pretty much pure luck, the factory overclock is so mild half the time the cards boost clock beats it out of the box.

[Worldzworstgamer]

Stay away from EVGA. They have now had issues with multiple games where their cards ramp up the fans and then die. It isn't a large number of cards that had this happen to them but why bother risking it. Get something else if you can.

[WarBucks]

I have a 2080ti ftw3 Ultra. Love it, overclocks to ~2050MHz. Other than repasting the chip with mx4 this year I havent done anything to it. That said it does get what I consider loud at like 70% load.

Since as Monk just said they arent binning the chips id get a cheap one and get a hybrid cooler for the slower fan speeds

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by Monk:

An important thing to know is there is NO BINNING on any of the chips beyond first edition of kingpins.

Kingpins have a specific guaranteed-bin process, FTWs also have a bin process as they need to be able to use and hold the base and boost OC of the unit especially being a heavier modified PCB. Just not as a high level as kingpins.

Originally posted by GoDevils!:

Stay away from EVGA. They have now had issues with multiple games where their cards ramp up the fans and then die. It isn't a large number of cards that had this happen to them but why bother risking it. Get something else if you can.

That's a general sign of a defective unit or a unit damaged by excessive overclocking or running bad power for a prolonged period of time, which is not specific to one manufacturer.

If you're talking about problem games or known-issues games, that can also be a general sign of driver crashes in addition to possibly being a bad unit. Some drivers do not get along with certain games.

[Guydodge]

Originally posted by Monk:

An important thing to know is there is NO BINNING on any of the chips beyond first edition of kingpins.

Your paying for a better cooler and components that can allow you to get more out of the card potentially, but the gpu itself is pretty much pure luck, the factory overclock is so mild half the time the cards boost clock beats it out of the box.

please post link to this i can find nothing verifying this claim,my 3090 FTW ran 1900- 1950mhz out of box i did a mild O.C to 2100mhz with room to go if need be w/out oc bios.

[Guydodge]

Originally posted by Mr. Gentlebot:

Originally posted by Monk:

An important thing to know is there is NO BINNING on any of the chips beyond first edition of kingpins.

Kingpins have a specific guaranteed-bin process, FTWs also have a bin process as they need to be able to use and hold the base and boost OC of the unit especially being a heavier modified PCB. Just not as a high level as kingpins.

Originally posted by GoDevils!:

Stay away from EVGA. They have now had issues with multiple games where their cards ramp up the fans and then die. It isn't a large number of cards that had this happen to them but why bother risking it. Get something else if you can.

That's a general sign of a defective unit or a unit damaged by excessive overclocking or running bad power for a prolonged period of time, which is not specific to one manufacturer.

If you're talking about problem games or known-issues games, that can also be a general sign of driver crashes in addition to possibly being a bad unit. Some drivers do not get along with certain games.

i believe the bad 3090s were the rev 0.1,not the new revision 1.0

[Monk]

The guarenteed speeds are so low as to not be an issue and kingpins only bin the first release else cost would be even higher.

Evga pretty much screwed up the power delivery / balancing this gen which leads to them having issues if you want to really push the cards with shunt mods or xoc bios' etc, but for normal use it's not a big deal and if you pop the fuse they'll replace it no questions under warranty.

I ran ftw3 1080ti's and 2080ti, there is such variance in the chips it's insane, due to very bad luck and evga screwing up swapping the stock 1080ti shroud to the custom elite one I went through 7 of the cards and outside of 1 severely doa gpu the cards had huge variance above the stated speeds (all were higher), I then had 2 2080ti ftw3's sane variance, but both above stated clocks by Miles.

I moved to Asus for the 30 series and with 3 3090 strix and 1 FE I can say again, there us huge variation in stock speeds, but still all above stated speeds.

Kingpins are designed for ln2 not regular use which is why there boards and power delivery are beefed up, the ftw3 is pretty much no faster than an SC under normal conditions where both cards have equal temperatures, the ftw3 just has a higher power limit and better cooler.

Oh and the kingpin has a stated boost clock of 1920MHz I've not seen a single 3090 below that and the ftw3 sets the bar even lower at 1800MHz.

By comparison, my FE runs 2050 otb abd 2100-2150 ocd (power limit holds it back at 320w)

The strix's hold similar around 2050 ish on air (higher power limit means the cards run 15-20c hotter than the FE at nax fans) but under water and temps under control run at 2150 and with an xoc bios 2190MHz.

Hopefully this gives some insight into how these cards' bins' don't really exist.

The best approach is to buy the cheapest that
You can fit a waterblock to, which if you go with bykski and Barrow the cost is far lower than the Western brands but just as good then put on a higher end power limit bios as temp and power us all that really matters.

Case in point I use all Barrow fittings, while I use optimus blocks on my couch system, but I've gone with bykski blocks that cost a fraction of the price for my desktop system (£400 vs £125 and thst includes an active backplate!)

[Guydodge]

Originally posted by Monk:

The guarenteed speeds are so low as to not be an issue and kingpins only bin the first release else cost would be even higher.

Evga pretty much screwed up the power delivery / balancing this gen which leads to them having issues if you want to really push the cards with shunt mods or xoc bios' etc, but for normal use it's not a big deal and if you pop the fuse they'll replace it no questions under warranty.

I ran ftw3 1080ti's and 2080ti, there is such variance in the chips it's insane, due to very bad luck and evga screwing up swapping the stock 1080ti shroud to the custom elite one I went through 7 of the cards and outside of 1 severely doa gpu the cards had huge variance above the stated speeds (all were higher), I then had 2 2080ti ftw3's sane variance, but both above stated clocks by Miles.

I moved to Asus for the 30 series and with 3 3090 strix and 1 FE I can say again, there us huge variation in stock speeds, but still all above stated speeds.

Kingpins are designed for ln2 not regular use which is why there boards and power delivery are beefed up, the ftw3 is pretty much no faster than an SC under normal conditions where both cards have equal temperatures, the ftw3 just has a higher power limit and better cooler.

Oh and the kingpin has a stated boost clock of 1920MHz I've not seen a single 3090 below that and the ftw3 sets the bar even lower at 1800MHz.

By comparison, my FE runs 2050 otb abd 2100-2150 ocd (power limit holds it back at 320w)

The strix's hold similar around 2050 ish on air (higher power limit means the cards run 15-20c hotter than the FE at nax fans) but under water and temps under control run at 2150 and with an xoc bios 2190MHz.

Hopefully this gives some insight into how these cards' bins' don't really exist.

The best approach is to buy the cheapest that
You can fit a waterblock to, which if you go with bykski and Barrow the cost is far lower than the Western brands but just as good then put on a higher end power limit bios as temp and power us all that really matters.

Case in point I use all Barrow fittings, while I use optimus blocks on my couch system, but I've gone with bykski blocks that cost a fraction of the price for my desktop system (£400 vs £125 and thst includes an active backplate!)

your test pool consists of 1 card while i can understand your results.your testing method
is flawed and cannot be validated.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by Guydodge:

Originally posted by Mr. Gentlebot:

Kingpins have a specific guaranteed-bin process, FTWs also have a bin process as they need to be able to use and hold the base and boost OC of the unit especially being a heavier modified PCB. Just not as a high level as kingpins.


That's a general sign of a defective unit or a unit damaged by excessive overclocking or running bad power for a prolonged period of time, which is not specific to one manufacturer.

If you're talking about problem games or known-issues games, that can also be a general sign of driver crashes in addition to possibly being a bad unit. Some drivers do not get along with certain games.

i believe the bad 3090s were the rev 0.1,not the new revision 1.0

Also just to re-emphasize for the other individual:

Not limited to just EVGA, it was apparently happening with a good number of brands with the whole new-world bit especially.

This is a reason I also don't like 'early-adopting' GPUs; I want to see what if anything happens.

[Guydodge]

Originally posted by Mr. Gentlebot:

Originally posted by Guydodge:

i believe the bad 3090s were the rev 0.1,not the new revision 1.0

Also just to re-emphasize for the other individual:

Not limited to just EVGA, it was apparently happening with a good number of brands with the whole new-world bit especially.

This is a reason I also don't like 'early-adopting' GPUs; I want to see what if anything happens.

agree read the same

[Kumoko]

Originally posted by Guydodge:

Originally posted by Mr. Gentlebot:

Also just to re-emphasize for the other individual:

Not limited to just EVGA, it was apparently happening with a good number of brands with the whole new-world bit especially.

This is a reason I also don't like 'early-adopting' GPUs; I want to see what if anything happens.

agree read the same

Originally posted by GoDevils!:

Stay away from EVGA. They have now had issues with multiple games where their cards ramp up the fans and then die. It isn't a large number of cards that had this happen to them but why bother risking it. Get something else if you can.

do u mean new world? coz i honestly have not heard anything about other then that game well even some brands like zotac i think asus 2? surely it might the cards that launch day that only have troubles with that correct me if im wrong though coz thats what i have been hearing about