pc gaming is a hobby some say.......................

[Lone Wolf]

But now i would say its a privilege The cost new parts I.E gfx cards and so on.
Used parts are selling at silly cash as well

Thoughts

[emoticorpse]

It's only a couple hundred bucks more. If people so strapped for cash could afford to blow $500 on a card a year or more ago, but all of a sudden go into bankruptcy when they have to put another $500 into it, then something seriously wrong. It's not THAT much more. Just don't upgrade every year (like a lot of people do). People are probably just that spoiled. Buy a strong card and hang onto it for three years.

[A&A]

Cards like GTX 900 Series or GTX 1050/TI or even better for under 140$. It is possible. These GPUs are enough to run all games with them.

[Haruspex]

PC gaming is for everyone. It's just the newer and high-end cards that are expensive right now. You don't need the latest and greatest to game on PC and have a great time. Embrace 1080p or even 720p. Accept medium graphics settings. It will be okay.

[tonimark]

GUNSMOKE999 eredeti hozzászólása:

But now i would say its a privilege The cost new parts I.E gfx cards and so on.
Used parts are selling at silly cash as well

Thoughts

bad things are bad things early pcs were luxuries they first became affordable in the 80s with the base model 1000 euros(adjusted from inflation) .. later on it was further reduced to 600 euros and less as industry standard now everyday pcs are obselete now gaming pc is popular with a starting price of 500 euros , not bad but consinder the standard values or even the hypier rtx 3080 recommended games demand you even a 2000 euro pcs that as twice as 80s computers but one thing for sure ... pcs
1.were rarer
2.there is a hype regarding this demanding graphical games (such like cyberpunk 2077...) while there are a lot of indie develops that doesn't even need a 500 euro pc to run games back in 80s not even AA titles were a thing
3.not many people owned computer so making an overpriced (and crappy) AAA games was not profitable

[tonimark]

GUNSMOKE999 eredeti hozzászólása:

But now i would say its a privilege The cost new parts I.E gfx cards and so on.
Used parts are selling at silly cash as well

Thoughts

by the way its expense depend on the game's age the more expensive the pc the latest game it will play and vice versa .. the bad thing is that most games are getting online which by the time you afford to run them they may already shut the online servers and the game itself also the costs depend on which developer you buy your games from A games (indie) are the least expensive and hardware demanding while the AAA titles are the most expensive to run and buy

[Illusion of Progress]

emoticorpse eredeti hozzászólása:

It's only a couple hundred bucks more. If people so strapped for cash could afford to blow $500 on a card a year or more ago, but all of a sudden go into bankruptcy when they have to put another $500 into it, then something seriously wrong. It's not THAT much more. Just don't upgrade every year (like a lot of people do). People are probably just that spoiled. Buy a strong card and hang onto it for three years.

I think you're overestimating how much of the market spends that much and how many upgrade every year. I'd even say every other generation (which is stretched to like two years now?) is the soonest the more normal consumers will even consider upgrading so they may wait even longer something like five years.

GPU prices have skyrocketed compared to a couple generations ago (which may have been the last time many upgraded) and paired with other factors (pandemic, economic downturns, inflation, tariffs, etc.; all of which varies from region to region), there are indeed people who are having to hang upgrade prospects up for the time being. This goes moreso if other parts of a platform are aging; most don't the more recent generations with hex cores or octo cores and still have quad cores, but they are rapidly aging and now Windows 11 is out which won't "officially" work on them. So people might just be holding off indefinitely. Saying if this impacts you that you shouldn't be doing it is not something I can agree with. It's impacting everyone, but the very top spenders are least impacted at least by the aspect of not being able to get something in this market (they are naturally willing to spend high already so most simply spend the high prices). For the rest...

8bitbeard eredeti hozzászólása:

PC gaming is for everyone. It's just the newer and high-end cards that are expensive right now. You don't need the latest and greatest to game on PC and have a great time. Embrace 1080p or even 720p. Accept medium graphics settings. It will be okay.

...This is a good option (though I'd probably almost never turn the resolution down from native).

[KENJI]

GUNSMOKE999 eredeti hozzászólása:

But now i would say its a privilege The cost new parts I.E gfx cards and so on.
Used parts are selling at silly cash as well

Thoughts

believe it or not i got my first cd-rom drive back in the days for about 300 bucks lule it was double speed. in comparison to like 30 years ago. pc parts are extremely cheap for what they can do.

[emoticorpse]

Illusion of Progress eredeti hozzászólása:

emoticorpse eredeti hozzászólása:

It's only a couple hundred bucks more. If people so strapped for cash could afford to blow $500 on a card a year or more ago, but all of a sudden go into bankruptcy when they have to put another $500 into it, then something seriously wrong. It's not THAT much more. Just don't upgrade every year (like a lot of people do). People are probably just that spoiled. Buy a strong card and hang onto it for three years.

I think you're overestimating how much of the market spends that much and how many upgrade every year. I'd even say every other generation (which is stretched to like two years now?) is the soonest the more normal consumers will even consider upgrading so they may wait even longer something like five years.

GPU prices have skyrocketed compared to a couple generations ago (which may have been the last time many upgraded) and paired with other factors (pandemic, economic downturns, inflation, tariffs, etc.; all of which varies from region to region), there are indeed people who are having to hang upgrade prospects up for the time being. This goes moreso if other parts of a platform are aging; most don't the more recent generations with hex cores or octo cores and still have quad cores, but they are rapidly aging and now Windows 11 is out which won't "officially" work on them. So people might just be holding off indefinitely. Saying if this impacts you that you shouldn't be doing it is not something I can agree with. It's impacting everyone, but the very top spenders are least impacted at least by the aspect of not being able to get something in this market (they are naturally willing to spend high already so most simply spend the high prices). For the rest...

8bitbeard eredeti hozzászólása:

PC gaming is for everyone. It's just the newer and high-end cards that are expensive right now. You don't need the latest and greatest to game on PC and have a great time. Embrace 1080p or even 720p. Accept medium graphics settings. It will be okay.

...This is a good option (though I'd probably almost never turn the resolution down from native).

My estimates may be wrong. I rushed that estimate admittedly. I didn't really see it as important for the point I was trying to make, but it helps the point I was trying to make. I was kind of exaggerating when I implied a lot of people upgrade every year. But even if people for the most part do upgrade more conservatively (every two years? three years?), then that's even less of a reason to be be angry at prices. You only need to spend a grand every two or three years. And the difference between two and three makes a big difference when we're trying to analyze how much per period a person is spending that money. So if a person were seriously to say they can't afford to spend a thousand every five years? but didn't have an issue spending $500 every five years?.

I can see the pandemic as a cause of people hurting for cash, but if that were the case it seems skewed to say people have serious issues from the pandemic like income, availability of important goods, dipping into savings, and still worried about a new GPU? even worse those dropping a grand on a whole rig.

I know I'll sound like a jerk to many for saying this, but a lot of people dug themselves into this hole. I myself got a 2070 when they came out, and suggested anyone wanting an upgrade to get one with the 2xxx series. Too many people played the waiting game because a lot of people told them to wait for 3xxx series. They listened to the wrong people and here they are. Those people need to accept the decision they made.

Now for people who didn't need to upgrade back then and were hit by surprise now that they are looking, I feel for them.

I really don't see a huge problem where everybody else sees one. I can understand if they needed a new car and now a $5000 car is double, or houses doubled in price, or something like that. But these are GPU's that first off are trivial items for entertainment and secondly because they're not that expensive to begin with.

For younger people, I do understand though. I was young and pretty much broke at one point and complained about trivial stuff, but older folks should know better.

[Carlsberg]

Pc gaming is a hobby, i agree it is for most people but i do not connect it with expensive parts as such. I have friends that are keen golfers and pay around $3000 or more per year club fees, If you own a boat then maintenance costs etc per year will run around $4000 or more. Staying ahead in the gaming world is not as expensive as you think compared to other hobbies/pastimes.

I went to a 4 core with 2 x 650ti boosts in sli around 2011, then about 5 years later I put a 6 core in same machine for about $400. About a year ago I moved to a R2700x with a Gtx2080, I will upgrade that when it no longer serves me which is not yet.

Upgrading to the latest and greatest is what only a few do imo, most do as I do and move up when they have to and can afford to do. After all it is a hobby and therefore the expense is somewhat of a luxury and the end result has to justify the cost.

On the other hand if the aliens are attacking and your really the only person left who can save the world,... well... you should be well equipped to survive and complete the damn mission... lol

[Overseer]

A hobby says nothing about cost. There are hobby pilots flying real airplanes just for fun.
And the market is in bad shape globally. It's nothing specifically limited to gaming. Car manufacturers don't have enough chips. Stove and refrigerator manufacturers don't have enough chips. Companies building freaking tables run out of wood. And the lack of sand causes trouble for the building industry. The problems are everywhere. So in other words: times are not normal.

[Carlsberg]

Overseer eredeti hozzászólása:

Car manufacturers don't have enough chips. Stove and refrigerator manufacturers don't have enough chips.

My local supermarket has lots, i got two bags,... eating one right now.

[Maximilian17]

GUNSMOKE999 eredeti hozzászólása:

But now i would say its a privilege The cost new parts I.E gfx cards and so on.
Used parts are selling at silly cash as well

Thoughts

When my 8 years old gtx 650 ti boost dies, I consider buying ryzen 5 5600G and use its integrated graphic card. The integrated graphic can only play low spec games (resident evil 8 is a low spec game?).

[Agent]

A hobby that costs money? Nothing new here.....

[Jessie]

GUNSMOKE999 eredeti hozzászólása:

But now i would say its a privilege The cost new parts I.E gfx cards and so on.
Used parts are selling at silly cash as well

Thoughts

Many hobbies cost a lot of money - people have flying planes as their hobby, making / racing RC cars, collecting vintage cars, collecting rare coins..

Just the battery pack for an RC car can cost upwards of $2k

[_I_]

Chicken.Rice eredeti hozzászólása:

GUNSMOKE999 eredeti hozzászólása:

But now i would say its a privilege The cost new parts I.E gfx cards and so on.
Used parts are selling at silly cash as well

Thoughts

When my 8 years old gtx 650 ti boost dies, I consider buying ryzen 5 5600G and use its integrated graphic card. The integrated graphic can only play low spec games (resident evil 8 is a low spec game?).

yes, odds are the 5600g cpu is faster than what was in the old build too

just get the fastest ram you can get for it, 2x8g ddr3200-3800 with low cl timings