Strix 3080 OC crashes on google Chrome?

[Vovin]

So I just got the Strix the other day and it's not working as well as I expected. It is doing some weird crashes while just doing stuff on Chrome, like scrolling through Youtube. It freezes for a few seconds, then HDMI connection cuts out from TV. PC itself is still running, just no visual or audio connection to GPU. I have to reboot the PC from the power button then it starts up normally. Event logs don't have any obvious explanation, just stuff about dump file creation, WindowsApp Model not loading, etc.. Not too sure if any of that is related.

This crash strongly resembles a driver error that I encountered years ago where a new GPU driver was causing the same weird crash during Netflix/Youtube videos. I remember having to roll back the driver at the time. I did that this time: rolled back to studio driver, which is supposed to be stable, but still doing it. It has crashed three times since yesterday, ALWAYS while viewing Chrome browser. I heard some rumours about 3080s crashing on Chrome browser, but I can't find any more information about it. This is what I would like to know more about, because Chrome is at newest version, GPU should be stable driver, not sure what else to do.

This is the Strix 3080 OC version and my CPU is only i7-8700, but apparently that is not supposed to malfunction beyond mere bottlenecking (until I get a better CPU down the line). But I'm not sure if this is true. Keep in mind that this is just happening in Chrome when I'm not really doing much, and I've been too busy to try this out on a game (though I tried it for RE2R briefly just to max graphics, and it did just fine with no stress).

PSU is 850w. I'm probably going to order a better one soon, but this one is doing ok for now. It could potentially be a random power spike in the GPU but I doubt it is a power supply issue- the people who suggested this to me also claim that the Strix 3080 has 500w power spikes, which doesn't make much sense considering that it has 3 PCIE slots at 150w each. Also I was reminded of what actual PSU failure looks like when the Strix PSU that came combo'd with the GPU was tweaking out and nearly caught fire when I turned it on for the first time.

Any ideas?

[Vovin]

So the DDU safemode thing did not fix the problem. It kept crashing randomly. Then I remembered that I know someone with a laptop that randomly crashes all the time in the same way for years, because of a Windows 10 driver issue.

I ended up upgrading to a new tower/mobo anyway last night, so I did a clean installation of Windows 10 and all drivers it appears to be running smoothly now. I'm only running at 1440p until I get the new 1000w PSU, then I'll feel more comfortable running everything at 4K like before.

I suspect the Gigabyte 850w PSU is not up to snuff and I don't really like the idea of daisy-chaining two PCIE cables to 3 slots on the GPU. It shouldn't be a problem for now since I'm not doing much in terms of pushing graphics. I've used a monitor to observe GPU wattage and I have noticed random power spikes, which confirms what I have heard others say regarding the Strix 3080. So best guess so far was either bad Win10 download or regular PC stuff at 4K was too much for PSU.

I'm gonna benchmark this thing after I get the new PSU installed (and ensuring it actually works, unlike the Strix 750w PSU that came with the GPU).

[dOBER]

Why do you think 4k does more pressure then 1440p? Make no sense except you cap your fps on 60. There is no problem to get full load on a 3080 1440p.

[[☥] - CJ -]

Because its more demanding than 1440p so if its a power related issue 1440p has a chance of it not acting up?

common sense really

Its something for him to try at least, no harm in doing it regardless.

[Vovin]

dOBER の投稿を引用：

Why do you think 4k does more pressure then 1440p? Make no sense except you cap your fps on 60. There is no problem to get full load on a 3080 1440p.

Well, because 4k uses a lot more graphical power than 1440p. Every digital pixel has a value calculated by algorithmic filters. Add to that everything else that the GPU may be processing, like 3D engineering programs that I occasionally use.

Why do you think FPS is lower for higher resolutions? Because each frame is a new calculation of all pixels.

The other thing too is that not all software seems to work well on 4k resolution, particularly open source stuff, which could cause crashes. Upgrading to 4K 120FPS standard also requires quality hardware as well. Since I just got an actually-certified 8K HDMI2.1 cable, I don't really want to plug it in and use it without a quality PSU, just incase it actually does put out 4K 120FPS that puts the GPU into overdrive.

Also on the topic of PSUs, I strongly suspect that the newer PSU option to choose power distribution (ie., on rails) would be very useful for adequately powering these GPUs. You won't really understand how big these things are until you get one in your hands. Yeah yeah that's what she said...

[Illusion of Progress]

Higher resolutions don't necessarily have a linear increase in needed demand. Also, if you were having issues with it crashing before at light loads or in a browser, leaving the resolution lower for games seems pointless, as you weren't having the issues there, no?

Additionally, even if 1440p needs less graphical strength than 4k, that doesn't mean it needs proportionally less power draw.

If I were in your shoes, having done something that "maybe fixed it", I'd WANT to ensure the problem is gone and not limit the chances of causing it. I was in that situation; a BIOS update introduced a problem (that I thought was caused by something else), and I reverted my BIOS. To make sure it was fixed, I introduced the problematic scenario as much as I could (essentially, I restarted my PC a lot because the issue was a roll of the dice the PC would randomly restart about a minute after booting to the Windows desktop). My problem was indeed fixed, and it was far faster to narrow down by doing that.

[Vovin]

Illusion of Progress の投稿を引用：

Higher resolutions don't necessarily have a linear increase in needed demand. Also, if you were having issues with it crashing before at light loads or in a browser, leaving the resolution lower for games seems pointless, as you weren't having the issues there, no?

Didn't say I was doing any gaming. Any hour I spend gaming could be an hour catching up with schoolwork, which does involve some graphic intensive programs but not at the moment.

I don't think my problem was with BIOS, but I am not totally sure. I forgot to mention that it was also doing the same crash, aside from randomly while using it, while going into sleep mode, or even keeping all the fans/lights on after shutting off. Even further back, the PC was refusing to automatically go to sleep despite settings, but the crashes started happening when I got the new GPU. It could have been the faulty PSU that came with the GPU that I installed at once, and it almost caught fire before I pulled the plug- maybe it messed something up with the motherboard.

Either way, it seems to be working ok now after doing new motherboard, along with clean install of Windows 10.

The main takeaway here for those trying to get one of these cards is that you NEED capable components to make it all work. Nvidia says 750w PSU is fine, and these companies say daisy chaining off of two PCIE cables is fine... but you really need more than this.

[Monk]

Daisy chaining power is always a bad idea, put of curiosity, did you try my idea of reseting the card before you bought a new mobo?

[Vovin]

Monk の投稿を引用：

Daisy chaining power is always a bad idea, put of curiosity, did you try my idea of reseting the card before you bought a new mobo?

I got a new mobo for unrelated reasons. Nothing wrong with the card.

EDIT: oh you mean with seating the card. That could have been a possibility too, heard from other RTX folks that happens a lot. But it definitely got seated right in new mobo.

It's actually kind of hard to seat these things properly because sometimes you can't even see the slot at all. Also if you use a card support beam like me, screwing it into the plate headers can mis-align the whole thing if done wrong.

[Monk]

Yeah, as I said, it was an issue I was having on my vega 64, just wasn't fully seated and clipped in, never even thought to check it and only realised when I fitted the new card, but the intermittent issues are identical (it had sat on a shelf for 2 years unused and was only used after selling my 2080ti when I clearly didn't seat it fully).

[Illusion of Progress]

ak47sforeverybody の投稿を引用：

Didn't say I was doing any gaming.

My mistake, but whether it's games, or other programs that heavily use the GPU, it doesn't matter. If there was an issue with lack of power or stability when power load increased, lowering resolution likely wasn't going to save it from occurring.

But glad you got it sorted out.

[Vovin]

Illusion of Progress の投稿を引用：

ak47sforeverybody の投稿を引用：

Didn't say I was doing any gaming.

My mistake, but whether it's games, or other programs that heavily use the GPU, it doesn't matter. If there was an issue with lack of power or stability when power load increased, lowering resolution likely wasn't going to save it from occurring.

But glad you got it sorted out.

Resolution is definitely tied to power usage- it is simply greater graphical computations that is more demanding. You could say that any card could be set to 4K, but it has to have the processing capability or power capacity to use 4K in a practical way. Again, the difference between 60FPS and 120FPS is that the GPU is doing the graphical computations at twice the frequency.

4K resolution, aka 3840 x 2160, has 8,294,400 pixels. Each pixel has a colour value resulting from 256 green, 256 x blue, 256 red, equalling 16.7 million unique values. Add to this various filters applied by the GPU (and then the TV). 120FPS means the GPU has to output on entire frame of this 120 times per second.

If what you say is true, then I may as well by outputting to 8K. But even if I had an 8K TV, I certainly would not be getting 8K 120FPS from an RTX 3080 in most games.

[dOBER]

ak47sforeverybody の投稿を引用：

dOBER の投稿を引用：

Why do you think 4k does more pressure then 1440p? Make no sense except you cap your fps on 60. There is no problem to get full load on a 3080 1440p.

Well, because 4k uses a lot more graphical power than 1440p. Every digital pixel has a value calculated by algorithmic filters. Add to that everything else that the GPU may be processing, like 3D engineering programs that I occasionally use.

Whatever, i can tell you there is zero problem to max out power draw on 3080/3090 450w bios while playing on 1440p. Since you cant go higher without mods there is zero differance between 1440p and 4k when it comes to power usage.

[[☥] - CJ -]

did you not read through everything hes said or what?

He APPEARS to be having power related issues for one reason or another
Playing at a LOWER Resolution than 4K seems to temporarily fix said issues for the time being Which is Why he's doing so.

It has Nothing to do with what the GPU itself can or cannot handle, its what his system as a WHOLE can or cannot handle while playing at 4K having to do with Power limitations.

[Vovin]

☥ - CJ - の投稿を引用：

did you not read through everything hes said or what?

He APPEARS to be having power related issues for one reason or another
Playing at a LOWER Resolution than 4K seems to temporarily fix said issues for the time being Which is Why he's doing so.

It has Nothing to do with what the GPU itself can or cannot handle, its what his system as a WHOLE can or cannot handle while playing at 4K having to do with Power limitations.

He just doesn't get it. He also doesn't seem to understand that more computations require more power, because basic laws of thermodynamics. The GPU is not just drawing full power at all times either, which is what I think he is claiming lol.

[dOBER]

No i dont get it. For exanple game x runs at 4k 60fps 99% gpu usage and uses 350w power draw. Same game on 1440p 99% gpu usage would run on 120fps (because of lower resolution) and uses same amount of power 350w. You would be right if he caps his fps on 60 while playing 1440p. In this case his gpu would draw less power then 4k.