My Rig and some help

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I have a ryzen 9 3900x, a rtx 3080, 64gb of ram at 3200 mhz, 2 nvme m.2 ssds (1tb and 2tb), all on an msi mpgx570 gaming pro carbon wifi mobo. I should be able to do 4k 60fps with ultra on this setup or at the very least very high settings. But no matter what I do certain games just have fps all over the place. Am i doing something wrong? is my system bottlenecking somewhere? I have tested out my rig in different programs and found nothing to show a bottleneck but I guess im still to new at this stuff to figure out what might be holding my system back. Any help would be appreciated.

[r.linder]

Some games are still going to be difficult to run at 60+ frames at max settings 4K with the 3080, it's not *that* much better than a 2080 Ti, which struggled a lot with similar settings, so some games it will have troubles.

4K won't be an issue with any CPU since it's heavily GPU bound, it would take a really old CPU to do that, and the 3900X is fine for most games at 4K with a 3080 but will bottleneck noticeably at lower resolutions with higher framerates, but 60 is definitely consistently attainable.

You may also get performance improvements through using Clock Tuner to run an optimised CCX OC profile to get an extra few percent of performance on the same TDP out of that 3900X, which is what I did, and some games like Cyberpunk will always run bad on the stock Ryzen 9 processors compared to other Ryzen and Intel CPUs because the dual chiplet design has enough of a latency that causes problems with some games. Just by disabling the second chiplet, my frames in Cyberpunk would literally double in some areas, an average increase of around 30 frames. So it's either run a good CCX OC or use Legacy Compatibility Mode (available in Ryzen Master) based on how a game reacts to your CPU. Prio Process Priority Saver works for some games, but not Cyberpunk from my experience because the game seems to ignore the program.

[pasa]

first, find a program that displays info on cpu, gpu utilization% and temp along with fps while you play. It may show some pattern. Also depending on what you play actually fps may depend on network or other stuff.

Hopefully you made sure to install all the drivers for the mobo and gpu after removing those of windows and protected them from auto updates. And not running stuff in background.

[UhOhIPooped]

Thanks you guys. Yes I am aware that some games will have issues and Im only playing on a 60hz monitor at the moment. I have installed programs like hwinfo, i have used rtss, and checked all those, cpu utilization seems to be the culprit in games like AC Valhalla, Cyberpunk is well...... Ill leave that alone lol, and I am more of a single player guy myself. Nothing seems to help when adjusting settings in nvcp, and i have tried both overclocking and running stock, plus tried undervolting. Its all so confusing. It happens on select games, a lot come from Ubisoft surprise surprise. But there are a handful total that give me issues and of course those are the ones i want to play.

[r.linder]

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Thanks you guys. Yes I am aware that some games will have issues and Im only playing on a 60hz monitor at the moment. I have installed programs like hwinfo, i have used rtss, and checked all those, cpu utilization seems to be the culprit in games like AC Valhalla, Cyberpunk is well...... Ill leave that alone lol, and I am more of a single player guy myself. Nothing seems to help when adjusting settings in nvcp, and i have tried both overclocking and running stock, plus tried undervolting. Its all so confusing. It happens on select games, a lot come from Ubisoft surprise surprise. But there are a handful total that give me issues and of course those are the ones i want to play.

Trust me, Cyberpunk will run a lot better if you use Ryzen Master to enable Legacy Compatibility Mode or disable the second CCD in BIOS. (From my experience I had boot issues with the BIOS option) You lose half of your cores and threads since you're disabling a CCD, but games like Cyberpunk will run better because the engine wasn't equipped to comprehend how the CoreCompleX design that AMD employs works.

[Illusion of Progress]

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You lose half of your cores and threads since you're disabling a CCD

Oh, the Ryzen 9 x900s have 6 chiplets per CCX (two disabled on each?). I always figured it'd be one full CCX and half disabled on the other for potential performance reasons, but I guess disabling some on each lets them reuse up to more defective CCXs?

[DieegoPeri]

4K@60fps and Ultra settings on the latest games? Only with DLSS 2.0

[r.linder]

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You lose half of your cores and threads since you're disabling a CCD

Oh, the Ryzen 9 x900s have 6 chiplets per CCX (two disabled on each?). I always figured it'd be one full CCX and half disabled on the other for potential performance reasons, but I guess disabling some on each lets them reuse up to more defective CCXs?

No, the chiplet is the entire CCD, containing the CCX(s).

The 3900X has 4 CCXs, 3 cores per CCX, two CCXs per CCD. So when you enable LCM or disable the second CCD, you run with half of your cores.

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Thanks you guys. Yes I am aware that some games will have issues and Im only playing on a 60hz monitor at the moment. I have installed programs like hwinfo, i have used rtss, and checked all those, cpu utilization seems to be the culprit in games like AC Valhalla, Cyberpunk is well...... Ill leave that alone lol, and I am more of a single player guy myself. Nothing seems to help when adjusting settings in nvcp, and i have tried both overclocking and running stock, plus tried undervolting. Its all so confusing. It happens on select games, a lot come from Ubisoft surprise surprise. But there are a handful total that give me issues and of course those are the ones i want to play.

Trust me, Cyberpunk will run a lot better if you use Ryzen Master to enable Legacy Compatibility Mode or disable the second CCD in BIOS. (From my experience I had boot issues with the BIOS option) You lose half of your cores and threads since you're disabling a CCD, but games like Cyberpunk will run better because the engine wasn't equipped to comprehend how the CoreCompleX design that AMD employs works.

I used to have ryzen master installed but I hated how they made you open the program every time just to set the cpu to how you want it to run, have they changed this? Also, is that gaming mode your talking about on the ryzen master program? I heard that it wouldnt really help in games so I never tried it.

[r.linder]

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Trust me, Cyberpunk will run a lot better if you use Ryzen Master to enable Legacy Compatibility Mode or disable the second CCD in BIOS. (From my experience I had boot issues with the BIOS option) You lose half of your cores and threads since you're disabling a CCD, but games like Cyberpunk will run better because the engine wasn't equipped to comprehend how the CoreCompleX design that AMD employs works.

I used to have ryzen master installed but I hated how they made you open the program every time just to set the cpu to how you want it to run, have they changed this? Also, is that gaming mode your talking about on the ryzen master program? I heard that it wouldnt really help in games so I never tried it.

It should still apply after the first application of new settings.

And it works well for Cyberpunk because of how poorly optimised it is for Ryzen processors since the engine came way earlier than Ryzen

[xSOSxHawkens]

Aside from CB2077, which is a trash heap of poor coding, which other games are you strugling with? You mention Valhalla, are those the only two?

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Aside from CB2077, which is a trash heap of poor coding, which other games are you strugling with? You mention Valhalla, are those the only two?

Im also seeing brief frame hickups in Yakuza LAD, Immortals feynx rising but fixed that by turning shadows to very high, the two you mentioned, and there were one or two more.

[UhOhIPooped]

I went crazy with pc the past year. Got rid of all consoles and made pc my home. Now I get frustrated when I can't hit 60fps, and even trying a lower fps just looks choppy where a console makes it look smooth. I would totally play some games at a lower fps if it was smooth, cause Im not going back to consoles.

[r.linder]

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I went crazy with pc the past year. Got rid of all consoles and made pc my home. Now I get frustrated when I can't hit 60fps, and even trying a lower fps just looks choppy where a console makes it look smooth. I would totally play some games at a lower fps if it was smooth, cause Im not going back to consoles.

Thing is consoles run at a lower quality setting and the titles are made for a specific hardware spec whereas PC is a bit more difficult in that everyone has vastly differing specs.

[Illusion of Progress]

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No, the chiplet is the entire CCD, containing the CCX(s).

The 3900X has 4 CCXs, 3 cores per CCX, two CCXs per CCD. So when you enable LCM or disable the second CCD, you run with half of your cores.

Oh, wrong word on my part then, but yeah that's what I meant. For some reason I was thinking the 12 core CPUs might be one full CCD and half of another, rather than 3/4 of each.

[r.linder]

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No, the chiplet is the entire CCD, containing the CCX(s).

The 3900X has 4 CCXs, 3 cores per CCX, two CCXs per CCD. So when you enable LCM or disable the second CCD, you run with half of your cores.

Oh, wrong word on my part then, but yeah that's what I meant. For some reason I was thinking the 12 core CPUs might be one full CCD and half of another, rather than 3/4 of each.

I don't know how it works with 5900X though since the CCXs go up to 8 cores, but 6 core CCXs with only one per chiplet makes sense