stuck with a GT 1030

[tonimark]

Ugh. This thing was released in 2017. Its crazy how far it has come when I think about it. That exponential growth that is always referred to with Singularity etc, I can feel the effects today.

At least I can still play the older mainstream 2015..., and it serves fine but overall I wish I had better.

Is there a sub $350 option in sight or am I stuck with this thing for a long while? (please a futureproof option , not an outdated (gtx 1050 ti) card that will suck in less than a year
alternative i can buy an APU for AM5 socket when it comes out

[Illusion of Progress]

Not to diminish your struggles, but at least you're in a spot where you CAN spend a mid range price and get a meaningful upgrade. I have a GT 1030 and a GTX 1060 and the latter is both a massive increase and still pretty capable. Yeah, it sucks having to spend more than something is wroth, but everyone is dealing with this, and IMO as I said, you're in a spot where you can still spend mid range prices and get something substantial over what you have. Those on low end cards can still upgrade (they do have to spend up though). Those on high end were still able to as well (also with price jumps, but this is the end of the market least sensitive to this). Those on the mid range from years ago (think GTX 1060) are in a spot to where the amount they'd have to spend up to get a meaningful upgrade would be what they could have just done in 2016 by getting a GTX 1080 then instead (but obviously didn't, as it is above their price point). It sucks for everyone but the mid range is the one spot that sucks most right now IMO. I'd say if you can find a GTX x60 from the 1000 series or newer at a good price, it'll do right now. Everyone wants RTX 3000s and Radeon 6000s but that can't happen right now.

Coffee Machine Gun님이 먼저 게시:

Mine is older than yours gtx, it is 650 ti boost from 2013. It is a relic from the past 😂

Yours is actually quite a bit faster. The GT 1030 is closer to a GTX 560 or GTX 650 (standard).

[UserNotFound]

Coffee Machine Gun님이 먼저 게시:

Mine is older than yours gtx, it is 650 ti boost from 2013. It is a relic from the past 😂

Gosh, I have a HD7970 somewhere in my storeroom, and I'd just checked, it's a fair bit more powerful than your GTX 650 Ti though it was released about two years earlier than yours.

[Illusion of Progress]

mikey님이 먼저 게시:

Gosh, I have a HD7970 somewhere in my storeroom, and I'd just checked, it's a fair bit more powerful than your GTX 650 Ti though it was released about two years earlier than yours.

Not at all surprising. That was a very high end GPU at the time from AMD.

It usually takes more than a few years for the firm mid range to surpass the very high end of a few years ago. It basically took 5+ years for the GTX 1080/1080 Ti to be surpassed by the RTX 3060s (and does the lesser RTX 3060 always and firmly beat it even?), and that also required a price bump to achieve so if we go by more traditional pacing as would have been the case back then, it's even slower adjusted for that. It's worse for the low end to catch up to the mid range (GT 1030 is basically a GTX 560 which is, what, like a decade ancient?).

I've been a firm supporter that stagnation has been setting in with GPUs like we saw with CPUs prior, but in a bit of a different way, and it's been cleverly hidden behind price hikes and longer release cycles that consumers at the higher ends eat up regardless, paving way for structure price changes throughout the stack.

The GPU market is not as stable or healthy this way, and nVidia and AMD know it. It sucks, but this is why they are milking the current situation (to make up for lost production/profits). Business exists NOT to better mankind, but to generate as much profit as possible. Providing GPUs, as it is a desired luxury, is just the way these two individual companies go about it, and as the saying goes, "never let a good catastrophe go to waste".

[xSOSxHawkens]

mikey님이 먼저 게시:

xSOSxHawkens님이 먼저 게시:

You need to look at decent 4GB cards on the used market. Its flooded due to crypto moving in a way that makes 4GB cards unusable.

Example, current average *SOLD* listing price for the RX580 4GB is ~$270-$300 USD.

This is how that card compares to yours:

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/23918626/fs/25163708

Basically the GPU is a 300% increase over your current one.

NV alternative cards would be 980ti which is a decent 6gb card in the 300-350 range, or the 1060 3gb which is on the lower end near 200-250.

All of these options would be super upgrades vs what you currently have. Just bear in mind they are all mid range cards now a few years past their prime selling for more than they are worth like all others right now. If it were not for shortages things would be different, but with what we have in the world right now you might opt for one of these as a playable alternative to keep you gaming longer on modern titles.

I agree with your suggestion of alternative cards, with the GTX 1060 3GB being the only exception. Yes, it's a fair bit more powerful than the GT 1030, but it isn't exactly the same GPU as its GTX 1060 6GB sibling, the GTX 1060 3GB has less CUDA cores so it would lose out to the 6GB version even in situations where VRAM isn't an issue.

For the OP, if he can't wait, then the RX 580 4GB/8GB or GTX 1060 6GB would be the bet bets on a relatively good gaming experience at 1080P. Bear in mind, these two cards can leverage AMD's upcoming FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR) with, of course, the RX 580 being more optimized for games that support that feature. Although FSR can be used on GTX 1000 series cards, nVidia may have to optimize its drivers for better performance and, perhaps image quality as well, but what are the chances that happening?

Normally I would agree with you, I am a bit fan of VRAM. That said the reason I put up the 1060 3gb and not 6GB is price.

Etherium requires VRAM to mine, and the more coins mined the more VRAM needed. Its a hard limit type of thing. Around late 2020/start 2021 the data set that is used got too big to fit into 4GB VRAM cards, which is why anything under 4GB is dirt cheap as miners have sold off all those cards and there is also no more minder demand, high supply and lower demand means cheap cards.

The 6GB and up are still holding demand and value on the miner side (and thus increased cost to gamers), with 8GB and up cards being quite hard to find. I could litterally sell my used Vega 64 right now for twice what I paid for it new 3 years ago. Probably 2.5 times consider the cooler mounted on it now... Crazy times.

Point is, if someone if trying to buy a GPU on the cheap, its 4GB or under. For now at least. The 6GB cards are getting close to being maxed, so they will be the next ones cheaper on the second hand market, but thats gonna be a bit yet.

[tonimark]

xSOSxHawkens님이 먼저 게시:

mikey님이 먼저 게시:

I agree with your suggestion of alternative cards, with the GTX 1060 3GB being the only exception. Yes, it's a fair bit more powerful than the GT 1030, but it isn't exactly the same GPU as its GTX 1060 6GB sibling, the GTX 1060 3GB has less CUDA cores so it would lose out to the 6GB version even in situations where VRAM isn't an issue.

For the OP, if he can't wait, then the RX 580 4GB/8GB or GTX 1060 6GB would be the bet bets on a relatively good gaming experience at 1080P. Bear in mind, these two cards can leverage AMD's upcoming FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR) with, of course, the RX 580 being more optimized for games that support that feature. Although FSR can be used on GTX 1000 series cards, nVidia may have to optimize its drivers for better performance and, perhaps image quality as well, but what are the chances that happening?

Normally I would agree with you, I am a bit fan of VRAM. That said the reason I put up the 1060 3gb and not 6GB is price.

Etherium requires VRAM to mine, and the more coins mined the more VRAM needed. Its a hard limit type of thing. Around late 2020/start 2021 the data set that is used got too big to fit into 4GB VRAM cards, which is why anything under 4GB is dirt cheap as miners have sold off all those cards and there is also no more minder demand, high supply and lower demand means cheap cards.

The 6GB and up are still holding demand and value on the miner side (and thus increased cost to gamers), with 8GB and up cards being quite hard to find. I could litterally sell my used Vega 64 right now for twice what I paid for it new 3 years ago. Probably 2.5 times consider the cooler mounted on it now... Crazy times.

Point is, if someone if trying to buy a GPU on the cheap, its 4GB or under. For now at least. The 6GB cards are getting close to being maxed, so they will be the next ones cheaper on the second hand market, but thats gonna be a bit yet.

abaout VRAM? well ITS A LUXURY back in 2018 4 gb of vram costed closely to 150 euros or even cheaper 130 euros now if you want 4gb or more vram YOU HAVE TO PAY MORE THAN 240 euros , well thats BS my games randomly downscales to insane low resolution random textures thanks to the small 2gb VRAM

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

Doesnt make any sense to stay with a GT1030, when you can have a used R9 290X Tri-X or a 1060 for 150-200 bucks. We are talking 300-400% more power. You can bet your as*, that those still run games at least with 30 FPS on low-mid settings in 2025. (with a legit CPU/ Haswell or newer)

150 bucks are no risk. You are torturing yourself with the 1030 for NOTHING !

edit : Btw who the hell would buy a GT1030 for gaming, anyway ? It would have already sucked as* 15 years ago. Slowest Pascal-Chip on this planet.

[-=SOF=-WID99]

yep even an old AMD r 9 270 X is better then a gt 1030

look also at the r 9 280 X series cards .. many show up on my e bay search and some are under 100 bucks

same with several GTX 960 4 gig cards as less then $200
love my strix one in my backup system

[tonimark]

-=SOF=-WID99님이 먼저 게시:

yep even an old AMD r 9 270 X is better then a gt 1030

look also at the r 9 280 X series cards .. many show up on my e bay search and some are under 100 bucks

same with several GTX 960 4 gig cards as less then $200
love my strix one in my backup system

i don't have such powerful cards before the most power graphics card i got in my home is the GT 1030

[Illusion of Progress]

Schrute_Farms_B&B님이 먼저 게시:

edit : Btw who the hell would buy a GT1030 for gaming, anyway ? It would have already sucked as* 15 years ago. Slowest Pascal-Chip on this planet.

That's overestimating things of 15 years ago. 10 years ago that level of performance was quite good (not high end, but good). 15 years ago it probably would have been nearly unheard of.

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

@Illusion
I was exaggerating, mate.
Sure, 11 years ago, it would have been half as good as a GTX580 (released 2010), which btw doesnt make things better if you know what I mean, but the fact that GT1030 was released between 2017-2018 for around 90-100 bucks, makes you wonder why someone would buy this card for gaming.

edit : If you ask me, this is simply a fraud to people who dont have the money / or knowledge for hardware. Nobody should be forced to use a GT1030 for gaming.

[Illusion of Progress]

Ah, then whoosh on my part, I missed the sarcasm. Guess I'm used to people overstating how awful certain older and not high end parts are that it's made me cynical of it at times. The go-to comparison always seems to be relative to x80 tiers GPUs like those those the baseline, but I get the feeling most people live in a bubble because that's the high end and that's by far the minority (today's market is a bit of an exception as these are strange times/circumstances).

And yeah, it's not for "gamers", but there need to be lower end parts too. It was a replacement for the GT 730 or 740 or thereabouts and it does fine for that spot. It's poor performance for the price, yes, but welcome to the low and high end of always. There's a reason the mid-range is so popular. As for the GT 1030, IIRC it retailed for $79 or $84 or so but like always, certain models push up a bit above that. And yes that level of performance would ideally be worth less in 2021 than even the original MSRP, let alone the higher price it often goes for, but... *gestures at most of the GPU market*, most GPUs are overpriced, and everything from the mid-range and down in particular is not being refreshed right now.

[tonimark]

Schrute_Farms_B&B님이 먼저 게시:

Doesnt make any sense to stay with a GT1030, when you can have a used R9 290X Tri-X or a 1060 for 150-200 bucks. We are talking 300-400% more power. You can bet your as*, that those still run games at least with 30 FPS on low-mid settings in 2025. (with a legit CPU/ Haswell or newer)

150 bucks are no risk. You are torturing yourself with the 1030 for NOTHING !

edit : Btw who the hell would buy a GT1030 for gaming, anyway ? It would have already sucked as* 15 years ago. Slowest Pascal-Chip on this planet.

did you know GTX 1050 ti costs 270 euros?!

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

@Illusion
No problem. I see where youre coming from and I got a soft spot too, for old harware and retro-gaming but I was under the impression, and still am, that OP thinks that his GT1030 is representative for GPUs which were manufactured around 2017-2018.
When people usually talk about 2017s cards, the least card which would come to mind, is the GT1030. It would have been a mid-range card 10 years, ago.
Like you said, it isnt a gaming card.

@tonimark
Where do you live ?
I see plenty of ebay offers, where they sell a brand new 1050TI for 2500 Rand, which would be 150 Euro. Used ones are getting sold for around 100-130€.

And why the 1050ti and not the R9 290x or the R9 280x which got mentioned by another user ?
There are way better and in the same price-range.

[Illusion of Progress]

Ah, I just took the mention of year as a way to highlight that the card they have is not only NOT suited for gaming today, but was also released a long time ago, rather than thinking it was representative of average gaming performance from that time, but maybe I misinterpreted OP.

[Lord Flashheart]

If you are lucky maybe a 4GB second hand card. 4GB memory is little use to miners now.