Quantum 2 jun, 2021 @ 21:38
Bottleneck
Just curious but how much of a bottleneck is a GTX 960 to a Ryzen 7 3700x? How much power is my cpu holding back?
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SoldierScar 2 jun, 2021 @ 21:40 
You don't get any cpu bottleneck, you need a card of 3060ti level of performance or higher where you start being bottlenecked by weak ipc of ryzen 3000 series at 1080p.
Senast ändrad av SoldierScar; 2 jun, 2021 @ 21:40
r.linder 2 jun, 2021 @ 21:41 
Nothing, the 960 is not much faster than newer Vega graphics.

The 960 is the bottleneck.
xSOSxHawkens 2 jun, 2021 @ 21:42 
Depends on the 960.

A 2GB model is a dead boat now days with major stutter issues and nearly unusable performance in modern titles expecting VRAM to be present when its not.

A 4GB model is nearly identical in performance to the 1050ti and is just as good as they are in modern titles. Not going to be winning any benchmark comps, but for the GPU shortage world we live in the 1050ti is still a serviceable and usable card.

Be on the lookout for an upgrade, but provided 4GB you will be good to go for the short term.
Quantum 2 jun, 2021 @ 21:43 
Time to camp microcenter lol
xSOSxHawkens 2 jun, 2021 @ 21:48 
Ursprungligen skrivet av Escorve:
Nothing, the 960 is not much faster than newer Vega graphics.

The 960 is the bottleneck.

I really wish people around here (not just you Escorve) would quite bashing older hardware with little reason...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2XAqQd7ADE

The best (currently actually available) APU is nearly half the speed of a 1050ti in most cases, and even when overclocked and paired with 4200Mhz Ram it still lags behind the 1050ti by anywhere from 10-30 frames or 10-30%. Trying to say that dedicated 1050ti class cards (which a 4GB 960 is) are "not much faster" than Vega (iGP) graphics is neither true nor helpful to actual users on such hardware.

Dont get me wrong, I think the Vega APU's are amazing performing, *and* I agree the 960 is aged. But people on these forums need to quit acting like anything less than the most recent xx60 is the bare minimum. For 1080p/60 you dont need a 3060ti or higher as the first reply suggests.
Senast ändrad av xSOSxHawkens; 2 jun, 2021 @ 21:49
r.linder 2 jun, 2021 @ 22:42 
Ursprungligen skrivet av xSOSxHawkens:
Ursprungligen skrivet av Escorve:
Nothing, the 960 is not much faster than newer Vega graphics.

The 960 is the bottleneck.

I really wish people around here (not just you Escorve) would quite bashing older hardware with little reason...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2XAqQd7ADE

The best (currently actually available) APU is nearly half the speed of a 1050ti in most cases, and even when overclocked and paired with 4200Mhz Ram it still lags behind the 1050ti by anywhere from 10-30 frames or 10-30%. Trying to say that dedicated 1050ti class cards (which a 4GB 960 is) are "not much faster" than Vega (iGP) graphics is neither true nor helpful to actual users on such hardware.

Dont get me wrong, I think the Vega APU's are amazing performing, *and* I agree the 960 is aged. But people on these forums need to quit acting like anything less than the most recent xx60 is the bare minimum. For 1080p/60 you dont need a 3060ti or higher as the first reply suggests.
There's a noticeable difference between the 1050 Ti and 960 4G because NVIDIA doesn't support older cards like AMD does. Even Pascal suffers a bit despite getting FSR support as that was just AMD proving that they could do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZzgLO4Xcec

The differences make it known in titles that aren't too demanding on the GPU. Which are typically what people are going to be playing with something that old. 1050 Ti or 960, you're not going to enjoy a AAA title like RDR2 or Cyberpunk.

And it still doesn't change the topic at hand. His GPU is still the bottleneck, and it's still ridiculous to pair a GTX 960 with a Ryzen 7 3700X outside of the current market.
Senast ändrad av r.linder; 2 jun, 2021 @ 22:45
Ryzen 7 3700x is a high-end CPU, and GTX 960 is a Low-end GPU. So there is no bottleneck. Your CPU will merely be used probably around 30 to 40% with such low-powered GPU - if not less.
r.linder 2 jun, 2021 @ 23:03 
Ursprungligen skrivet av 🌈Cloud Boy🌈:
Ryzen 7 3700x is a high-end CPU, and GTX 960 is a Low-end GPU. So there is no bottleneck. Your CPU will merely be used probably around 30 to 40% with such low-powered GPU - if not less.
That's how GPU usage works, not CPU usage.

CPU usage is heavily affected by the amount of threads currently being used. So even if a game isn't particularly demanding, if it's still using 4 cores, it's using 4 cores.
That CPU isn't holding that GPU back. That CPU is capable of a much faster GPU. I have a bit faster GTX 1060 with my Ryzen 7 3700X, and before that, the same GPU was paired with a Sandy Bridge Core i5, something almost a decade old and something the regulars on the forum will swear up and down is "weak and slow and no good for anything relevant", yet my performance in a lot of games didn't change much after the CPU upgrade. This didn't surprise me. Your Ryzen 7 3700X is honestly fine for anything out there. No, it won't return the same frames a faster CPU will; this is, you know... natural and normal. Those who want the best are free to spend for it. It's not wasteful not to have that.

That being said, it's still possible for the CPU to be the bottleneck from time to time, even with a relatively weaker GPU.

I get the impression a lot of people have a flawed concept of what bottlenecking is. Or rather, they understand what it is, but then they sprout this idea that there's some balance range you have to fall within, or else you're "bottlenecked" and this is flawed thinking. There are no ideal matches. There is no "you need XX CPU to get the most of ZZ GPU" because that just means the CPU is the bottleneck, but that DOESN'T mean the faster CPU also isn't (just to a slightly lesser extent).

Bottlenecking ALWAYS happens. If it didn't, you'd just have endless performance potential. Whatever the bottleneck is, is what's preventing more performance from being attained. Not all software, not all games, and not all moments within a game leverage things the same way. There is no ideal match of certain CPUs for certain GPUs; the REAL ideal match is "if I am going to spend money, what is the current best to get the most given what I have and what i am willing to spend".

The only thing you need to worry about is not pairing a really awful CPU with a really strong GPU, and vice versa, and it would take more imbalance than most people think to where it's at the point that you're missing out on a lot of performance. You're nowhere near looking at that with the CPU you have. If you want more game performance, yes, a GPU upgrade is well worthwhile.
JohnMars78 3 jun, 2021 @ 3:19 
It's amazing how most of you didn't read the question right.
The OP is fully aware that the graphics card is the bottleneck, just asks by how much.
Ursprungligen skrivet av JohnMars78:
It's amazing how most of you didn't read the question right.
The OP is fully aware that the graphics card is the bottleneck, just asks by how much.
Oh, you're right. OP was asking how much headroom the CPU had rather than if it's enough for the current GPU. It's an easy thing to mistake here though, because most people don't ask how much a GPU holds a CPU back (because it does does not work that way), but if you change this...

"Just curious but how much of a bottleneck is a GTX 960 to a Ryzen 7 3700x? How much power is my cpu holding back?"

..to this... (cross outs and bold addition my emphasis)

"Just curious but how much of a bottleneck is a GTX 960 to BY a Ryzen 7 3700x? How much power is my cpu holding IT back?"

...you get how I read it. Yes, we were wrong though (well, I was; I won't speak for anyone else), but the brain is a funny thing. I misread one word and filled in another where I presumed it was missing due to grammar or a typo.

Regardless, my comment was less about which was bottlenecking which, and more about bottlenecking in general and how it's often wrongly emphasized (IMO), and all of what I said still stands. If OP asked "how much", there's no proper broad answer for this for the reasons I mentioned.
Senast ändrad av Illusion of Progress; 3 jun, 2021 @ 4:31
kiwikev 3 jun, 2021 @ 6:15 
To the OP i think your CPU will depend on what you are doing as to what power/potential is held back by being GPU bound.

Myself running R5 2600x + GTX1060 6GB i'm GPU bound in gaming but plenty of CPU power for multi tasking etc for what i need. (i think i'm good up to rtx3060 b4 better ipc will make much of a difference in gaming for me). e.g. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlfwXqODqp4

So i think your CPU is holding plenty of power in reserve if you upgrade the GPU in the future.
You don't hold the CPU back with a poor GPU. What happens is you simply can not crank games up enough due to such poor GPU.

Ryzen 7 3700X can handle any GPU on the market withe ease, even a 2080 Ti or 3090

You'd have to drop down to a Ryzen 3 class to see the CPU hold back the GPU.
Senast ändrad av Bad 💀 Motha; 3 jun, 2021 @ 16:14
Ursprungligen skrivet av sjohn29:
https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Ryzen_7_3700X/GeForce_GTX_960/0Ud0Oe8A/

WoW, bottleneck calculator.
Very useful.
My favorite.
Senast ändrad av 🦜Cloud Boy🦜; 3 jun, 2021 @ 17:26
r.linder 3 jun, 2021 @ 22:02 
Ursprungligen skrivet av sjohn29:
https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Ryzen_7_3700X/GeForce_GTX_960/0Ud0Oe8A/
Bottleneck calculators are BS. You can't measure bottlenecks like a calculation, it doesn't work like that.

There are so many tiny minute things that can ultimately impact CPU and/or GPU performance aside from the big things, and there's always a bottleneck when it comes to games like CS:GO because some CPUs can get 600+ FPS in those games with the best GPUs, whereas others may only get half that with the same GPU.
Senast ändrad av r.linder; 3 jun, 2021 @ 22:04
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