Direct X causing system slowdown..?

[BabehTHOR]

For some reason, when I run up a Steam game and it runs it's "Direct X" nonsense... after my next restart my systems acts wild. Super slow, SSD's won't recognize, and programs won't load or will take ages. I can roll back the system and everything is great. This happened with Killing Floor 2, and now Apex Legends. System specs below:

Ryzen 7 3700X
MSI 3080 Ventus
X570 Aorus Master Mobo
16 GB Trident Z Skill RAM
1 boot SSD, and 2 others.

Anyone have a freaking clue?! I haven't tried reinstalling Windows since I got the PC from NZXT. Everything else has ran absolutely perfect BESIDES Steam games...

Thanks for any insight!

[BabehTHOR]

Just to add, what I've done to troubleshot the issue:
Unstall/Reinstall steam
Updated everything possible
Installed game to different SSD

[_I_]

update bios?

get the drivers from the mobo mfg?
windows update rarely grabs correct ones

gpu drivers from nvidia

post a cpuz validation link
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
cpuz -> validate button -> submit button
it will open a browser, copy the url (address) and paste it here

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

引用自 BabehTHOR：

For some reason, when I run up a Steam game and it runs it's "Direct X" nonsense... after my next restart my systems acts wild. Super slow, SSD's won't recognize, and programs won't load or will take ages.

It's called a 'First Time Setup' and it happens with most steam games and it never causes issues. Actually it's needed. Look in event viewer to see if there are indeed errors with steam or directx to make sure. The worse thing you can do with pc is just assume. There are also cases where changes to the pc were made and it's just coincidence that something happened after. I have never heard of steam causing ssd to be slow or won't recognize. Directx wouldn't do this on a healthy pc either.

引用自 BabehTHOR：

I can roll back the system and everything is great.

Roll back the system? Yeah that's going to be something more serious than a first time setup for a steam game. I don't think a steam game can cause a healthy pc to need a roll back unless something else is wrong.
It would be nice to have that cpz screenshot validation.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Ryzen = update to latest non beta bios along with latest Win10 64bit build and then the latest amd chipset drivers from amd.com

Bios update = grab from your motherboard makers support/downloads section, extract to usb flash drive, reboot, enter bios, update it.

[BabehTHOR]

引用自 _I_：

update bios?

get the drivers from the mobo mfg?
windows update rarely grabs correct ones

gpu drivers from nvidia

post a cpuz validation link
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
cpuz -> validate button -> submit button
it will open a browser, copy the url (address) and paste it here

Link to cpuz: https://valid.x86.fr/qhygin

[BabehTHOR]

Further update, I tried installing Origin and downloading/running Apex Legends from that as well. Same issue on restart... system laggy, acting insane and slow....

[Carlsberg]

Recheck bios update, cpuz id's it as F31q but a quick check I did does not list a bios ver F31q for that board.

[BabehTHOR]

引用自 Carlsberg：

Recheck bios update, cpuz id's it as F31q but a quick check I did does not list a bios ver F31q for that board.

Just updated BIOS. I'm at a stopping point. I have the game installed, and haven't actually ran it. All works well. When I ran it last time, system bogged down again. Couldn't open steam/other programs ran super slow/PC would show that I had an SSD, but no info on it and it took ages to load it up on File Explorer.

Good lord.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Nothing a game installs would do this to your PC, it's obviously something else, or simply your imagination.

Rid the system of all startup items and go from there.

Make sure all Drivers are official and up to date from the Chipset Makers.
Motherboard makers do not always list the latest drivers and really don't have to put forth effort for this kind of support, as you can go to the chipset makers directly for everything on your motherboard; the Intel or AMD Chipset, the Audio, GPU (if have onboard gpu and have a need to use it, otherwise always use the dedicated GPU by ensuring all Displays connect only to the GPU Card and not the Motherboard video outputs); Wired LAN, WiFi, BT, etc... If you have USB 3.1 or later you may need a driver for this also, but Win10 has drivers built in to cover all USB 1.1/2.0/3.0 chipsets. SATA and AHCI Drivers should already be part of your Chipset Driver Suite. If you are using NVME, get and install that driver from Intel, AMD or the SSD maker.

[BabehTHOR]

引用自 Bad 💀 Motha：

Nothing a game installs would do this to your PC, it's obviously something else, or simply your imagination.

Rid the system of all startup items and go from there.

Make sure all Drivers are official and up to date from the Chipset Makers.
Motherboard makers do not always list the latest drivers and really don't have to put forth effort for this kind of support, as you can go to the chipset makers directly for everything on your motherboard; the Intel or AMD Chipset, the Audio, GPU (if have onboard gpu and have a need to use it, otherwise always use the dedicated GPU by ensuring all Displays connect only to the GPU Card and not the Motherboard video outputs); Wired LAN, WiFi, BT, etc... If you have USB 3.1 or later you may need a driver for this also, but Win10 has drivers built in to cover all USB 1.1/2.0/3.0 chipsets. SATA and AHCI Drivers should already be part of your Chipset Driver Suite. If you are using NVME, get and install that driver from Intel, AMD or the SSD maker.

This is literally the weirdest thing I've ever encountered. I think I'm just going to go with a fresh Windows install and play it out from there. Everything I could possibly think of is updated. It seems like the act of "running" the game from any installer and then restarting my system is just causing some psychotic hardware or software malfunction in the PC.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Steam games never "install" as most Digital Games do not. They simply already have their files as it would be if you were to "install the game from a disc" and thus what you have just files, which just fine. The extra installers are simply "this game needs this, but if you PC already has it, this will get skipped during the first time run process" kind of thing. Plus even Win10 lacks all of those things every game will need anyways so they must be installed at some point. Things such as... NET Framework, DirectX Redist June 2010 Runtimes (covers older runtime files that an OS such as Win8 or 10 would not have by default), Visual C++ Runtimes (each game that requires it might use a different one, so you need all of them), Vulkan API Runtime (this usually is already up to date if you have installed the latest AMD or NVIDIA GPU Driver because their driver suite includes this already), NVIDIA PhysX (some games needs this, regardless of what GPU you have, if using Intel or AMD GPU, it will just use CPU bound PhysX; also some older games might require that you uninstall your new PhysX and go install an old one for that game to work properly).

If was me, I would go remake my USB Flash Drive with Win10 64bit 20H2 and then do a clean install. Disconnect any secondary drives before doing so, so that you can actually go and wipe the C Drive completely clean during the Win10 boot install process; which when you see your list of Drives (only your target drive should be connected at this point) then click Advanced and Delete all of Drive 0 in order to actually wipe it clean, then click Next. Win10 will auto partition and format the drive as needed.

[BabehTHOR]

引用自 Bad 💀 Motha：

Steam games never "install" as most Digital Games do not. They simply already have their files as it would be if you were to "install the game from a disc" and thus what you have just files, which just fine. The extra installers are simply "this game needs this, but if you PC already has it, this will get skipped during the first time run process" kind of thing. Plus even Win10 lacks all of those things every game will need anyways so they must be installed at some point. Things such as... NET Framework, DirectX Redist June 2010 Runtimes (covers older runtime files that an OS such as Win8 or 10 would not have by default), Visual C++ Runtimes (each game that requires it might use a different one, so you need all of them), Vulkan API Runtime (this usually is already up to date if you have installed the latest AMD or NVIDIA GPU Driver because their driver suite includes this already), NVIDIA PhysX (some games needs this, regardless of what GPU you have, if using Intel or AMD GPU, it will just use CPU bound PhysX; also some older games might require that you uninstall your new PhysX and go install an old one for that game to work properly)

Copy that. It also is just weird that it's not all games, so far just Killing Floor 2 and Apex Legends. They're obviously many years apart, and require different programs to run. I can go and play the new CoD and AC Valhalla with zero issues. System runs like a total champion. I've actually booted it, got to windows, and immediately opened every single thing I can before running a game that breaks it and it all loads within seconds.

Just for some reason after "running" those two games at the moment my sys acts like it's running through the mud..

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Its very possible that those particular games simply don't get along well with whatever version of NVIDIA GPU Driver you are using. Yes this is a real thing and can happen from time to time.

[BabehTHOR]

引用自 Bad 💀 Motha：

Its very possible that those particular games simply don't get along well with whatever version of NVIDIA GPU Driver you are using. Yes this is a real thing and can happen from time to time.

Do you know of any fix? Or is the fact that I have this specific GPU just going to be a problem for now?

[Bad 💀 Motha]

DDU Wipe out eveything NVIDIA via Safe Mode.
Then download and install an older Driver and see if the same issues continue or change.
You can pick an older version here...
https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx
> GeForce
> RTX 30 series
> Windows 10 64bit
> Standard

If you choose to install GFE, set the app settings to "Check for Updates, Never Auto Update"