Cuddle Bunny 2021 年 2 月 20 日 下午 12:08
DDR4 decisions decisions
This topic is way more complicated than I initially thought. I've got 6 pages open In my browser and I ain't getting very far!

I'm not sure what speed Or brand to get. I don't mind overclocking but it's not a fun pastime. These following units get mentioned a lot:

Viper steel 4400
Corsair vengeance
G-skill trident neo
Crucial ballistic 3600

Intel i7 10700, 3080 card, mobo Asus-something.
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buttmunch 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 1:18 
引用自 NU SPEAK
those prices are CRAZY. dude.
Welcome to premium RAM territory, where you nearly, or more than, double the price for nowhere near that sort of gain (and probably won't even notice much difference if you're just setting XMP and calling it a day as opposed to perfectly tuning it).

Bologna bro. Look at the prices. I paid 65 dollars if i remember correctly, for brand new GSKILL 3600mhz CL19 a year ago. Look at the price of GSKILL 3600mhz CL18 on his list and you tell me that seems like a good price ? bologna. Also his is CL18-22-22, mine is CL19-20-20 , im just saying, i could probably do the same timing as that one. i paid either 65 or 75... You better check those prices again. If you dont see what those prices on that list say, you better get your eyes checked buddy.
最后由 buttmunch 编辑于; 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 1:19
dOBER 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 1:50 
Prices looks realy a little bit high. Dont know where he lives but even in US viper 4400 cl19 cost about 133$ which means 266$ for 32gb not 410$
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vVVD4D/patriot-viper-steel-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-4400-cl19-memory-pvs416g440c9k

Neo 3600 cl16 32gb for only 220$
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/w3FKHx/gskill-trident-z-neo-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gtznc
Not 270$ for cl18 but yes it depends where he lives.
最后由 dOBER 编辑于; 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 1:54
buttmunch 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 1:58 
引用自 dOBER
Prices looks realy a little bit high. Dont know where he lives but even in US viper 4400 cl19 cost about 133$ which means 266$ for 32gb not 410$
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vVVD4D/patriot-viper-steel-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-4400-cl19-memory-pvs416g440c9k

Neo 3600 cl16 32gb for only 220$
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/w3FKHx/gskill-trident-z-neo-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gtznc
Not 270$ for cl18 but yes it depends where he lives.

Dude was talking about those prices for 16gb.... not 32gb. its very very high prices. and yeah if you shop local youll get ripped off these days alot of times.
Monk 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 4:03 
If op is Canadian or Australian those prices are about right.

Of the patriots, only the steel series are samsung b-die and that's the best option.

Looking at the timings, I think the steel series and corsair vengeance are the only Samsung b-die, also explains the prices.
buttmunch 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 4:08 
I just wanna say one thing, to the guy who made this post. If those are your prices local and in your country i think you better try to buy on ebay for a better deal. just saying.
Illusion of Progress 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 4:10 
引用自 NU SPEAK
Bologna bro. Look at the prices. I paid 65 dollars if i remember correctly, for brand new GSKILL 3600mhz CL19 a year ago. Look at the price of GSKILL 3600mhz CL18 on his list and you tell me that seems like a good price ? bologna.
Eh?

First of all, you're comparing different quantities (16 GB compared to 32 GB) and at different times (a year apart). I also don't see where OP mentions that G.Skill RAM is 3,600 MHz because the first four options have no frequency listed, and the discussion was about faster RAM so I presumed those would have been 4,000 MHz+ or something, but IF those are 3,600 MHz, then yeah that's really bad pricing because 64 GB (double the amount) of that same RAM but with better timings was pretty much the same cost mid-last year, so again it made sense to me at those prices that those were likely to be referring to faster frequency, 4,000 MHz+ RAM (or maybe prices doubled in the last half a year, I don't know?).

Secondly, notice I never said "it's a good price" or "it's worth it". I simply said "welcome to premium RAM territory, where you pay a disproportionate premium versus the gains" and that is true, even if those particular prices are high. You ALWAYS pay a disproportionate premium for the faster stuff, and this isn't even exclusive to RAM (it's worse with RAM IMO since the performance increase is smaller than if you spend up on a GPU or CPU instead, which is what I'd recommend instead).

I NEVER said I found this worth it, so you may want to read what I said better. I think those prices are absurd, just as you do, and I think paying for fast RAM is largely a waste, but we all have our own opinion. To some, the extra performance is worth an extra disproportionate cost.
最后由 Illusion of Progress 编辑于; 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 4:11
Illusion of Progress 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 4:13 
引用自 Monk
If op is Canadian or Australian those prices are about right.
Good point, and likely possibility.

OP should clarify this because whether any of those are good deals or not highly hinges on this.
Cuddle Bunny 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 8:26 
Yes, Canadian peso's. All 32gb options
All minimum 4000....speed.



It's said many times on the internet that different kits shouldn't be mixed together. So I don't Wana buy several viper steel kits to obtain my entire 32gb. I'd rather buy a 32gb package from another brand. I think.
r.linder 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 9:00 
引用自 Cuddle Bunny
Yes, Canadian peso's. All 32gb options
All minimum 4000....speed.



It's said many times on the internet that different kits shouldn't be mixed together. So I don't Wana buy several viper steel kits to obtain my entire 32gb. I'd rather buy a 32gb package from another brand. I think.
It's not going to make a difference when it's the same SKU.
最后由 r.linder 编辑于; 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 9:00
Monk 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 9:11 
Not mixing kits is about mixing brands and speeds etc not two identical spec'ed kits.
Illusion of Progress 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 9:19 
引用自 Cuddle Bunny
It's said many times on the internet that different kits shouldn't be mixed together. So I don't Wana buy several viper steel kits to obtain my entire 32gb. I'd rather buy a 32gb package from another brand. I think.
It's also said many times that there's nothing wrong with it.

I've mixed RAM of different quantities and frequencies (and no clue on timings) as far back as SDRAM, and I've matched two separate kits (two sets of 2x 4 GB, for 16 GB total) as recently as DDR3 RAM, and I've done it twice. It just works.

There's nothing wrong with using two of the same kit. Those kits of 4 modules of just two kits of 2 modules, and kits of 2 modules are just two single modules. There's nothing DIFFERENT about them. If the speed and timings match, it really should work at that speed and timings (presuming the board and IMC, now on CPUs, can manage it).
最后由 Illusion of Progress 编辑于; 2021 年 2 月 28 日 下午 9:20
Monk 2021 年 3 月 1 日 上午 1:29 
Oh and if you do mix different sticks, they just run at the slower speed, which isn't an issue if you buy 2 packs of the same ram.
DeadBeat 2021 年 3 月 1 日 上午 7:34 
引用自 Cuddle Bunny
Yes, Canadian peso's. All 32gb options
All minimum 4000....speed.



It's said many times on the internet that different kits shouldn't be mixed together. So I don't Wana buy several viper steel kits to obtain my entire 32gb. I'd rather buy a 32gb package from another brand. I think.

I picked up two kits of G Skill Trident Z Royal F4-4000C18D-16GTRS DDR4-4000MHz yesterday and they weren't cheap at $225 Cdn a piece. I guess they had to factor in the cost of the cleaning cloth that comes with the kit. :)
最后由 DeadBeat 编辑于; 2021 年 3 月 1 日 上午 7:35
Illusion of Progress 2021 年 3 月 1 日 下午 8:54 
引用自 Cuddle Bunny
I compiled a list of 32gb options with local CANADIAN prices. Viper has to be bought in two separate kits which ain't ideal. Which one do I take?


2x16gb:

G.SKILL Ripjaws V 4000 $241 • 18-22-22-42

G.SKILL Trident Z Royal 4000 $282 • 18-22-22-42

G.SKILL Trident Z Neo 4000 $270 • 18-22-22-42

G.SKILL TridentZ RGB $273 4000 • 18-22-22-42



4x8gb sticks:

CORSAIR Vengeance 4000 $370 •19-23-23-45

G.SKILL Ripjaws V 4000 $330 •18-22-22-42




(2x8gb) x2

Patriot Viper Steel 4000 $344 • 19-19-19-39

Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 4400 $374 •18-26-26-46

Patriot Viper Steel 4400 $410• 19-19-19-39
Now that you've edited this with prices, frequency, and timings for all options, and we know what currency it is, I'm going to revisit it with my opinions.

Almost all of these with the "non flat" first three timings are Hynix die memory; nothing wrong with them at all (I have RAM with them myself) if you're not seeking ultimate performance, but you're listing a lot of more mainstream RAM with two outlier premium RAM, so you should ask yourself and decide which it is you want.

We also REALLY need to know if you're going to be tweaking this, or setting XMP and calling it a day. You still haven't answered this besides mentioning "you don't mind overclocking but don't want to waste too much time on it" which isn't definitive either way, but will make a BIG difference on what is the best RAM for you. The minute differences between some of these RAM options is not going to matter AT ALL if you're going to set XMP and be done, but may matter GREATLY if you'll be tweaking it.

I'll go ahead and give an answer for both. I'm using Newegg.ca for reference of approximate pricing (Escorve or someone, correct me if Newegg.ca is an outlier on pricing to typical Canadian prices for RAM), but I get the feeling this is where you were looking (at least partially) anyway given the prices I'm seeing.

If you want for more your dollar, and just want to set the XMP profile...

The first Ripjaws is your best bet. If you're just setting XMP, then really only the frequency and timings for the price are going to be the factors to consider (well, and looks if you want a prettier heatsink and/or RGB). Most of the the Hynix stuff you listed is 4,000 Mhz with 18-22-22-42 timings, so just get the cheapest unless looks matter, and that's the first one you listed (a comparable 3,600 Mhz set is even cheaper[www.newegg.ca] if you're not entirely opposed to not having 4,000 MHz+ RAM, as it gets tighter timings in return). The two 4x 8 GB sets (more so the Corsair) seem especially poor in price compared to the rest.

If you want to tweak it, this is where the differences may come in to play, and Monk's advice will serve you well in this case. If this is what you're after, I agree with Monk and I'd just bypass the higher cost Hynix die options (it's fine for performance for dollar) and just go either the first or third Patriot options. Both have the same timings, but the third is 400 MHz faster. Usually timings increase with frequency increases, so it being the same timings mean it is better RAM. Up to you if that's worth sending up for (using numbers, it's ~10% faster [this WILL be less than an actual 10% increase in performance] for a ~20% increase in cost).

/numbers and reasoning.

In short, the first Ripjaws X if you want performance for dollar and will set XMP and be done with it, or Patriot Viper Steel if you want to get the most of it and don't mind the premium.
HiImPipi 2021 年 3 月 1 日 下午 11:27 

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