Mindfactory.de data shows AMD reliable contrary to claims...

[xSOSxHawkens]

Contrary to the small scale issues being widely over reported right now that Ryzen 5000 has high failure rates, the quite well respected source of large scale mass sale data of PC parts in europe, Mindefactory.de, has published *their* RMA rates for Ryzen 5000 and they are in fact *LOWER* than the RMA rates for Ryzen 3000, with the 5000 line seing at *worst* a rate of 0.56% (5800x out of 10,750 units sold).

Mindfactory data is on a sample size of 26,920 units with a failure rate between 0.34%-0.56%...
PowerGPU (the original source of the drama) claims 20% failure across 320 unit sample size...

Forgive me if I call BS on PowerGPU and say that they were either unlucky af to have gotten an entire bad batch *or* more than likely as HardwareUnboxed put it,

Hardwareunboxed の投稿を引用：

It's unlikely PowerGPU have been that unlucky. It's far more likely most of those CPUs were okay and just needed to be re-seated or they haven't been doing enough BIOS cross testing. For example there can be issues with certain RAM/ MB & CPU combos.

https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1361135468767715329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1361136921385205760%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.techradar.com%2Fnews%2Famd-ryzen-5000-processor-failures-are-they-really-that-bad


So basically the whole basis of all the bad press going around that "AMD iz BADz" is both factually false, and more than likely the result of poor building practices in regards to the original source of the failure claims...

Screen grabs of the Mindfactory.de data are available here, which is where I found (and then independantly checked up on) the information to begin with. Yes, its an AMD sub, for stocks, of which I own. Also have Intel. Good to be in the stock subs for stocks you invest in. The fact that its an AMD stock sub in no way detracts from the relevance or accuracy of the data from Mindfactory.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMD_Stock/comments/lm1yqd/ryzen_5000_series_rmarates_under_1_mindfactoryde/

For those who preffer to independantly check themselves here is the first party link to the data (note the site is in german and you will need to translate the page):

5800x - https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X-8x-3-80GHz-So-AM4-WOF_1380727.html

5900x - https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/AMD-Ryzen-9-5900X-12x-3-70GHz-So-AM4-WOF_1380728.html

5600x - https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-6x-3-70GHz-So-AM4-BOX_1380726.html

The number of units sold it at the top above description, the RMA rate is at the top of the reviews under the thumps up...

I havent seen much in the way of the PC press picking up on the true lack of actual failures...

Thoughts?

[chiefputsilao✖️ping]

i haven't heard of intel cpus going bad (near) out of the box but then intel cpus are/were made on bigger lithography (and news of this type is virtually unheard in the philippines)

the fact that amd's latest ryzen 5000 series have a bad batch makes it a concern for the early adapters and those who want to upgrade tot he latest amd offering.

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it would be good if there is comparative data on current and previous intel products.
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the higher sample size on mindfactory.de makes it a more reliable indicator of failure rate but is limited only to those who have access to the german tech store.

i wonder though if u.s. retailers like newegg, tigerdirect, bestbuy, amazon, and the like also publish 'failure' findings.

[xSOSxHawkens]

chiefputsilao✖️ping の投稿を引用：

i haven't heard of intel cpus going bad (near) out of the box but then intel cpus are/were made on bigger lithography (and news of this type is virtually unheard in the philippines)

the fact that amd's latest ryzen 5000 series have a bad batch makes it a concern for the early adapters and those who want to upgrade tot he latest amd offering.

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it would be good if there is comparative data on current and previous intel products.
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the higher sample size on mindfactory.de makes it a more reliable indicator of failure rate but is limited only to those who have access to the german tech store.

i wonder though if u.s. retailers like newegg, tigerdirect, bestbuy, amazon, and the like also publish 'failure' findings.

There is comparative data, and its right in line with what AMD has...

Example, the 9900k has an RMA rate of 0.25%, which is a bit better but not by much (compared to 0.34 from above)...

Another example, the 10900K has an RMA rate of 0.65%, which is worse than anything AMD has above...

The 9900k sample size is 1,270 units and the 10900k is 950 units, both sample sizes large enough to achieve accurate averages, despite having fewer sales vs AMD. And both being 3x bigger or better sample sizes to PowerGPU's combined sample.

https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i9-10900K-10x-3-70GHz-So-1200-WOF_1362361.html

https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i9-9900K-8x-3-60GHz-So-1151-WOF_1377368.html

So, basically, when looked at it by the numbers, AMD and Intel RMA at about the same rate. And both are well under a 1% RMA rate which makes it obsurd to even suggest that there is a 20% failure rate like PowerGPU is doing. I would be seriously worried about purchasing a computer from someone who claims nothing works right when none of the other regional buiilders, nor international builders, are having such issues (HWUnboxed asked around to other ausi builders who are not reporting similar failures).

Again, either they got a one off bad batch (which is highly unlikely) or more likely they are crap at building on AMD and want to come up with excuses why...