Quantum 2021 年 5 月 22 日 下午 8:40
Ryzen 3700x heat
Hello. Recently completed my build, I see that the cpu is currently at 63C. I believe this is on the hot side... should I ramp up the CPU fan? Im using the stock cooler that came with the cpu.
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I use and suggest the Noctua NH-D15. Keeps my ryzen 9 at a cool 48C.
A&A 2021 年 5 月 26 日 上午 3:29 
引用自 Escorve
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
No Ryzen CPU should be going over 80*C+ it does not like it and tends to run worse as this will negate the ability to properly Turbo Clock as its too close to thermal-throttle area.
Not true for Zen3, thermal limits for boosting were raised.
Yes also if l m not wrong they made some changes with their old gen cpus
r.linder 2021 年 5 月 26 日 上午 7:08 
引用自 A&A (Ghost Warrior}
引用自 Escorve
Not true for Zen3, thermal limits for boosting were raised.
Yes also if l m not wrong they made some changes with their old gen cpus
Old gen is unchanged.
Bad 💀 Motha 2021 年 5 月 26 日 上午 7:53 
引用自 A&A (Ghost Warrior}
引用自 Escorve
Not true for Zen3, thermal limits for boosting were raised.
Yes also if l m not wrong they made some changes with their old gen cpus

Ryzen 3xxx series, 3500 and better
Ryzen 5xxx series, 5600 and better
can all AUTO Turbo Boost in a fully dynamic fashion based on Thermals.
Its the Ryzen older then these, or ones like Ryzen 3100, 3200G, 3400G that can't do this.
All those have is a pre-set Turbo Boost, which it can't go above unless the user attempts to Manually OC. With the newer Ryzen CPUs such as 3600, you never need to manually OC, it does it all on its own. HOWEVER, you want the updated non-Beta BIOS, as well as the very latest Ryzen Chipset Drivers from AMD.com in order for this to work.
Quantum 2021 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:03 
Does 3700X "overclock" itself? I'm noticing sometimes it goes over 3.6GHz base clock speed at times.
r.linder 2021 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:27 
引用自 Quantum
Does 3700X "overclock" itself? I'm noticing sometimes it goes over 3.6GHz base clock speed at times.
Yes, it's Precision Boost. When boosting is disabled the CPU stays at its baseclock. PB and PB overdrive are protected by the silicon fitness so don't worry about safety
最後修改者:r.linder; 2021 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:28
Quantum 2021 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:31 
引用自 Escorve
引用自 Quantum
Does 3700X "overclock" itself? I'm noticing sometimes it goes over 3.6GHz base clock speed at times.
Yes, it's Precision Boost. When boosting is disabled the CPU stays at its baseclock. PB and PB overdrive are protected by the silicon fitness so don't worry about safety
Thanks c:
r.linder 2021 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:39 
引用自 Quantum
引用自 Escorve
Yes, it's Precision Boost. When boosting is disabled the CPU stays at its baseclock. PB and PB overdrive are protected by the silicon fitness so don't worry about safety
Thanks c:
High idle temps are linked to precision boost being allowed to use up to 1.5v (or max allowed vcore by BIOS) safely because it's a low current load. Higher current loads will use much less voltage because FIT limits voltage based on how many amps of current the CPU is drawing. A better cooler will only do so much.
最後修改者:r.linder; 2021 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:39
Illusion of Progress 2021 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:41 
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
No Ryzen CPU should be going over 80*C+ it does not like it and tends to run worse as this will negate the ability to properly Turbo Clock as its too close to thermal-throttle area.
My Ryzen 7 3700X was running over 80C (up to 84C commonly, sometimes a bit higher but was rare) at times when I was using stock cooling. It now runs largely under 70C but a bit over it sometimes. I really haven't noticed a difference in performance, and while I did not do any sort of proper in depth analysis on the boosting before and after, the offhand numbers I'm seeing appear to be about the same as well.

Maybe it's holding boosts longer, more frequently, or actually is going higher, and maybe there is a small performance difference at times and I'm not noticing it, but... it's not like "Ryzen doesn't like being over 80C and will kill your performance if you do". At least, that's not been my experience.
引用自 Quantum
Does 3700X "overclock" itself? I'm noticing sometimes it goes over 3.6GHz base clock speed at times.
Like Escorve said, yes. It's pretty standard now for CPUs from Intel and AMD to "boost" themselves higher than their stock and base clocks. Intel calls it "Turbo Boost". How high it boosts depends on a lot of factors (number of cores under load, current draw, temperature, etc.). With modern CPUs more and more and ESPECIALLY with Ryzen, it boosts so close to its limits that this is where the "there's almost no point to overclocking on AMD" comes from. Modern CPUs more or less do it on the fly themselves now.
最後修改者:Illusion of Progress; 2021 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:44
r.linder 2021 年 5 月 30 日 下午 5:57 
Also tested ECO Mode myself, it doesn't make a meaningful difference to temperatures unless your CPU is consistently being thermally throttled as a result of an insufficient CPU cooler and/or case airflow.

I also have a theory (that I can't prove because I don't have another system with a crap motherboard to test it) that it can happen if your motherboard's VRM are insufficient for powering your CPU at its factory configuration. For instance, if you put a 105W TDP SKU like the 3800X or 5800X on a motherboard with a VRM rated for less than 100 amps of output, the VRM is going to have a hard time and ECO mode could potentially give a better performance result as the CPU is forced to run at a lower power specification. 95W and 105W CPUs like the 3600X and 5800X are forced to run at a 65W TDP standard, while 65W CPUs like the 3600 and 3700X are forced to run at a 45W TDP standard. Lowering the power standards with ECO mode could, in theory, improve performance results if the throttling is electrical based and not thermal based, something that is entirely the fault of an inexperienced buyer.

In my testing with ECO mode on a 3900X, with a Deepcool Castle 360 V2, 6 SP120 case fans, on an X470 AORUS GAMING 7 (rated for 200 amps, more than enough), performance was worse across the board as I expected, because boosting is naturally going to be worse when you're not thermally or electrically being throttled at stock.
Temperatures barely improved over stock configuration either, laughably so, as it doesn't solve a core problem with Precision Boost; CPUs often use more voltage than they actually need.

My CCX overclock (CCX 0/1/2/3 = 4.3/4.3/4.1/4.2) yielded generally better results aside from single core performance scores by a rather significant margin compared to both stock and ECO mode configurations, while running at a core voltage of 1.256v, which is at least around 10 degrees cooler than stock configuration and almost twice that of what I saw with ECO mode since it's running a fixed and lower voltage. So as long as you do sufficient testing to make sure the desired voltage is safe even at 100% current loads (as high current is where high enough voltage does damage) and keep the voltage low, it's generally going to do you better in both performance and thermals than ECO mode because it's just a PBO preset, it doesn't stop voltages from being high which is the primary cause.

The true value of ECO mode is only going to be apparent if you're being throttled, or if you want to force your CPU to run at a lower power standard for environmental purposes while not losing out on performance completely by disabling boosting altogether, and if it's not throttling at stock, you WILL lose performance by enabling it.
最後修改者:r.linder; 2021 年 5 月 30 日 下午 6:01
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