Ryzen 3700x heat

[Quantum]

Hello. Recently completed my build, I see that the cpu is currently at 63C. I believe this is on the hot side... should I ramp up the CPU fan? Im using the stock cooler that came with the cpu.

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60c is ok
whats the max load temp?
use prime95 small fft test for 15 minutes

if its 90+c and throttling, then you need a better cpu cooler and/or case airflow

[invision2212]

63C idle....not good

63C full load is great

[Quantum]

Bounces 62-63C idle. I haven’t put it under stress yet I’m still installing Windows.

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60c is warm at idle, but during install it has some load while windows is being setup yet

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Ditch ridiculous useless stock cooler and stick at least a Hyper212 Black Edition or Arctic Freezer 4 eSports on there. Ryzen should idle around 40-50*C and not go above 80*C

But since idle is meaningless, please run Cinebench or a Prime95 small FFTs loop as a means to test the system stress and thus heat. Have HWMonitor open so you can see your temps during such tests, change the Priority in Task Manager for HWMonitor to Realtime so it doesn't loose focus during very high CPU usages. Then if the CPU Cores reach above 80-85*C, cancel out any stress tests immediately and buy better cooling.

[Quantum]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Ditch ridiculous useless stock cooler and stick at least a Hyper212 Black Edition or Arctic Freezer 4 eSports on there. Ryzen should idle around 40-50*C and not go above 80*C

But since idle is meaningless, please run Cinebench or a Prime95 small FFTs loop as a means to test the system stress and thus heat. Have HWMonitor open so you can see your temps during such tests, change the Priority in Task Manager for HWMonitor to Realtime so it doesn't loose focus during very high CPU usages. Then if the CPU Cores reach above 80-85*C, cancel out any stress tests immediately and buy better cooling.

I've never used any of this stuff, can you please leave a link? Thanks for the response.

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search on amazon for them
they are common coolers that are good and fairly cheap

[Zafkiel]

That's not great, I would try reseating the cooler. If it spikes up to 63c just from opening a program it's not good,I use 2600x with stock cooler i got 46c-50c much from just opening a program, no matter if it's stock cooler or not that shouldn't be happening, or you could try get the better cooler with around 30-40$

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Ditch ridiculous useless stock cooler and stick at least a Hyper212 Black Edition or Arctic Freezer 4 eSports on there. Ryzen should idle around 40-50*C and not go above 80*C

But since idle is meaningless, please run Cinebench or a Prime95 small FFTs loop as a means to test the system stress and thus heat. Have HWMonitor open so you can see your temps during such tests, change the Priority in Task Manager for HWMonitor to Realtime so it doesn't loose focus during very high CPU usages. Then if the CPU Cores reach above 80-85*C, cancel out any stress tests immediately and buy better cooling.

Didn't I explain how Ryzen 3000+ works to you already? This happens for literally every 7nm Ryzen processor.

This idle temperature is actually typical of Ryzen 3000 (and later) because of how the CPU operates. Everyone has this "problem." It's unavoidable at stock or PBO settings, all you can do to alleviate it is run a dynamic vCore offset (i.e. negative offset of 1~2 steps), get much better cooling, or run a manual OC at a low voltage (~1.25v is usually the safe limit for most Ryzen 3000 chips)

Hyper 212 is literally 1 degree better than the Wraith Prism in most cases.
I've tested the Prism against the 212 myself, they're practically identical in performance, but at least the Prism gives airflow to the board VRM. I'd suggest doing better research on how the Prism stacks up before you come to the conclusion that it's that bad. It's not.

Originally posted by Quantum:

Hello. Recently completed my build, I see that the cpu is currently at 63C. I believe this is on the hot side... should I ramp up the CPU fan? Im using the stock cooler that came with the cpu.

Originally posted by Quantum:

Bounces 62-63C idle. I haven’t put it under stress yet I’m still installing Windows.

This is normal operating behaviour for Ryzen since AMD dropped the node down to TSMC N7. They had to change the way their CPUs operate, and it comes at a "cost".

See, the way that Ryzen 3000 and later chips operate is that with lower current being drawn by the CPU, the more voltage is allowed to be used by the CPU, because of the Silicon Fitness (FIT). It's the health management of the chip, it decides what's safe based on the individual CPU's silicon quality and health and automatically adjusts voltage as needed.
So at idle, since there's very little current draw, the CPU is allowed to use up to 1.5v safely to boost a single core to the max boost clock rating that AMD advertises. As you put a load on the CPU, voltage will drop the more current draw increases.

Regardless, idle temperatures are not really a concern, and there are BIOS settings like AMD Cool and Quiet, Global C-state Control that aim to lower power comsumption in an idle state.
Power plan also has a huge impact, because if the minimum CPU state is higher than 99%, it will ALWAYS boost its highest at idle and give you the higher idle temperatures. Use the Ryzen Balanced power plan given by the AMD chipset driver. If it's not there, you need to install the driver.

[Quantum]

Hey, just an update. I just noticed there was a lever mechanic on the cooler I didn’t pull down. Temps were up in bios because the cooler wasn’t making direct contact with cpu. First time builder here. Bios shows me it’s been sitting at a constant 46C. That seems a lot better.

[Quantum]

Originally posted by Escorve:

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Ditch ridiculous useless stock cooler and stick at least a Hyper212 Black Edition or Arctic Freezer 4 eSports on there. Ryzen should idle around 40-50*C and not go above 80*C

But since idle is meaningless, please run Cinebench or a Prime95 small FFTs loop as a means to test the system stress and thus heat. Have HWMonitor open so you can see your temps during such tests, change the Priority in Task Manager for HWMonitor to Realtime so it doesn't loose focus during very high CPU usages. Then if the CPU Cores reach above 80-85*C, cancel out any stress tests immediately and buy better cooling.

Hyper 212 is literally 1 degree better than the Wraith Prism in most cases.

This idle temperature is actually typical of Ryzen 3000 (and later) because of how the CPU operates. Everyone has this "problem." It's unavoidable at stock or PBO settings, all you can do to alleviate it is run a dynamic vCore offset (i.e. negative offset of 1~2 steps), get much better cooling, or run a manual OC at a low voltage (~1.25v is usually the safe limit for most Ryzen 3000 chips)

Originally posted by Quantum:

Hello. Recently completed my build, I see that the cpu is currently at 63C. I believe this is on the hot side... should I ramp up the CPU fan? Im using the stock cooler that came with the cpu.

Originally posted by Quantum:

Bounces 62-63C idle. I haven’t put it under stress yet I’m still installing Windows.

This is normal operating behaviour for Ryzen since AMD dropped the node down to TSMC N7. They had to change the way their CPUs operate, and it comes at a "cost".

See, the way that Ryzen 3000 and later chips operate is that with lower current being drawn by the CPU, the more voltage is allowed to be used by the CPU, because of the Silicon Fitness (FIT). It's the health management of the chip, it decides what's safe based on the individual CPU's silicon quality and health and automatically adjusts voltage as needed.
So at idle, since there's very little current draw, the CPU is allowed to use up to 1.5v safely to boost a single core to the max boost clock rating that AMD advertises. As you put a load on the CPU, voltage will drop the more current draw increases.

Regardless, idle temperatures are not really a concern, and there are BIOS settings like AMD Cool and Quiet, Global C-state Control that aim to lower power comsumption in an idle state.
Power plan also has a huge impact, because if the minimum CPU state is higher than 99%, it will ALWAYS boost its highest at idle and give you the higher idle temperatures. Use the Ryzen Balanced power plan given by the AMD chipset driver. If it's not there, you need to install the driver.

Thanks for the response I’m looking into it. :)

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Quantum:

Originally posted by Escorve:

Hyper 212 is literally 1 degree better than the Wraith Prism in most cases.

This idle temperature is actually typical of Ryzen 3000 (and later) because of how the CPU operates. Everyone has this "problem." It's unavoidable at stock or PBO settings, all you can do to alleviate it is run a dynamic vCore offset (i.e. negative offset of 1~2 steps), get much better cooling, or run a manual OC at a low voltage (~1.25v is usually the safe limit for most Ryzen 3000 chips)



This is normal operating behaviour for Ryzen since AMD dropped the node down to TSMC N7. They had to change the way their CPUs operate, and it comes at a "cost".

See, the way that Ryzen 3000 and later chips operate is that with lower current being drawn by the CPU, the more voltage is allowed to be used by the CPU, because of the Silicon Fitness (FIT). It's the health management of the chip, it decides what's safe based on the individual CPU's silicon quality and health and automatically adjusts voltage as needed.
So at idle, since there's very little current draw, the CPU is allowed to use up to 1.5v safely to boost a single core to the max boost clock rating that AMD advertises. As you put a load on the CPU, voltage will drop the more current draw increases.

Regardless, idle temperatures are not really a concern, and there are BIOS settings like AMD Cool and Quiet, Global C-state Control that aim to lower power comsumption in an idle state.
Power plan also has a huge impact, because if the minimum CPU state is higher than 99%, it will ALWAYS boost its highest at idle and give you the higher idle temperatures. Use the Ryzen Balanced power plan given by the AMD chipset driver. If it's not there, you need to install the driver.

Thanks for the response I’m looking into it. :)

If you're going to get a better cooler, better off with at least a Dark Rock Pro 4 or Liquid Freezer II 240/280/360/420.

The Prism is adequate for the 3700X. It's been proven to me in my own testing that it easily matches the Hyper 212 and beats a lot of cheap ~240mm AIOs.

[UserNotFound]

Originally posted by Quantum:

Bounces 62-63C idle. I haven’t put it under stress yet I’m still installing Windows.

You're saying that it idles at 63C? Then it's not at all good nor is it in the least acceptable. Just to give you an insight, I have a 3900X which idles at mid-high 30's (room ambient temp is a cost 23C with aircon), with load temps in the 60's. I must add that my CPU's being cooled by a 360mm AIO with push pull fans.

IF you have a decent air cooler installed, even the stock Wraith cooler that comes with the CPU (not sure what stock cooler it has), you should not be seeing 60C+ at idle. Other factors at play, perhaps bad airflow in case?

[r.linder]

Originally posted by mikey:

Originally posted by Quantum:

Bounces 62-63C idle. I haven’t put it under stress yet I’m still installing Windows.

You're saying that it idles at 63C? Then it's not at all good nor is it in the least acceptable. Just to give you an insight, I have a 3900X which idles at mid-high 30's (room ambient temp is a cost 23C with aircon), with load temps in the 60's. I must add that my CPU's being cooled by a 360mm AIO with push pull fans.

How often are you monitoring your idle and low load temps though? I have the same CPU as you, cooled also by a 360mm AIO, and at stock I get idle temperatures between the low 30s and the low 60s.

Normally I run an undervolted CCX OC because idle temps stay between the low 30s and low 40s and load temps are usually in the 50s and sometimes in the 60s.

Based on my experiences and the experiences of many other users I've been in contact with, this to me is typical behaviour for Ryzen since AMD dropped down to N7. I see people having complaints and concerns with the exact same issue all of the time, and those that don't say they don't experience it are basically guaranteed to really just have never noticed. Literal thousands. AMD even says its normal.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originally posted by Quantum:

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Ditch ridiculous useless stock cooler and stick at least a Hyper212 Black Edition or Arctic Freezer 4 eSports on there. Ryzen should idle around 40-50*C and not go above 80*C

But since idle is meaningless, please run Cinebench or a Prime95 small FFTs loop as a means to test the system stress and thus heat. Have HWMonitor open so you can see your temps during such tests, change the Priority in Task Manager for HWMonitor to Realtime so it doesn't loose focus during very high CPU usages. Then if the CPU Cores reach above 80-85*C, cancel out any stress tests immediately and buy better cooling.

I've never used any of this stuff, can you please leave a link? Thanks for the response.

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/TheDivisonUSA/discussions/0/133258593407426465/